Cancellation Conundrum

[goalie000]

From what I understand from the ladies perspective it’s the guys that say can I have this time for the appointment and it’s agreed on and then crickets, nothing!! Leaving the lady wasting her time and putting off other perspective clients!
The lady I saw today was well worth the $150 hh
And the cancellations certainly missed a good time !
I can certainly see why there are ladies requesting deposits!! Maybe these time wasters need to figure out it’s them that are causing the rising costs!!

 

[Ping]

I am definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer BUT this is what I have learned during my 15 years having fun at this hobby and now being in my mid 70's

- I still hobby 3 to 4 x a week , usually about 2- 3x to a mid-range 1 or 2 lady AMP and 1-2 x to an independent INDY. I pretty much stick exclusively to ladies over 40 and many of them could be 50. These ladies are not swamped with customers and are not the self entitled smoke shows that are often in Agencies that often skip their shifts. In fact most of them are making a very modest living at best. If you are not something special you are just one of many to the young smoke shows and have no special relevance and get no special treatment.

I have 5 or 6 long time regulars who I generally see once or twice a month. I do not tip or pay above market rates but am generous with them at Christmas. Having said that I did give a couple of regulars an unsolicited raise in this year because they deserved more and had not raised their donation to me for a couple of years. I can assure you that I get special treatment [ not necessarily sexually, lol. ] from all of them and I am an important client to each and every one of them. Let me explain - I am always on time and have not cancelled once this year , I am always freshly showered and shaved , I am respectful of their boundaries and I treat them kindly with respect. I am fairly sure to each of them that I am one of their favourite clients , and it is not for my sexual talents, lol.

How has that paid off for me - I am always the first client of the day for those in the AMP's - in fact most of them come in early for me without me asking so that we will not be interrupted. NOT ONE of them has been late by more than 5 minutes this year. Only once have i been cancelled or ghosted this year and that was because her period arrived over night . As far as the INDIES I have not been cancelled, ghosted or had to wait even 5 minutes this year. I always confirm the morning of the event and I almost always schedule the first appointment of the day.

I have not booked an agency this year , nor have i ever in my hobby career.

At my age I do not want any bullshit or unwelcome surprises. My regulars are regulars because they deserve to be -- no they are not young self entitled smoke shows to whom one more client means nothing but more dollars. I am appreciated and respected by my regulars and I respect and appreciate them.

Thankyou for sharing your experiences. I think you could be a mentor for many about respect and politeness.

 

[goalie000]

Maybe because of the high cancellation rate, that’s the reason some ladies are double booking and taking who ever arrives first and then cancels the second. Doesn’t sound so crazy when time and effort by the lady is put into the meeting and avoiding the no show!

 

[Ping]

Maybe because of the high cancellation rate, that’s the reason some ladies are double booking and taking who ever arrives first and then cancels the second. Doesn’t sound so crazy when time and effort by the lady is put into the meeting and avoiding the no show!

I never even thought of that. I recently had an agency tell me she was running late and bumped my time back half an hour... She told me they asked her start half an hour early ...so they wedged a 1 hour appointment before me... kind of irks me as I don't like followup appointments incase the first person and the SP didn't get along well... perhaps its shallow, but I assume it'll ruin my appt to.

 

[Daddy2021]

I know things happen on both sides of this BUT if you request a certain time and day for an appointment then the least you can do is make contact telling the party that something happened and you have to cancel and will rebook at another time, rather than just not showing up!! Pre booking days in advance which seems to be a thing now can create these type of problems too. I generally would try to book maybe an hour max in advance or when horny, lol

I don’t think agencies choose to notify last min. The sp is cancelling with them last min and can only notify you once they know.

 

[Daddy2021]

I am definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer BUT this is what I have learned during my 15 years having fun at this hobby and now being in my mid 70's

- I still hobby 3 to 4 x a week , usually about 2- 3x to a mid-range 1 or 2 lady AMP and 1-2 x to an independent INDY. I pretty much stick exclusively to ladies over 40 and many of them could be 50. These ladies are not swamped with customers and are not the self entitled smoke shows that are often in Agencies that often skip their shifts. In fact most of them are making a very modest living at best. If you are not something special you are just one of many to the young smoke shows and have no special relevance and get no special treatment.

I have 5 or 6 long time regulars who I generally see once or twice a month. I do not tip or pay above market rates but am generous with them at Christmas. Having said that I did give a couple of regulars an unsolicited raise in this year because they deserved more and had not raised their donation to me for a couple of years. I can assure you that I get special treatment [ not necessarily sexually, lol. ] from all of them and I am an important client to each and every one of them. Let me explain - I am always on time and have not cancelled once this year , I am always freshly showered and shaved , I am respectful of their boundaries and I treat them kindly with respect. I am fairly sure to each of them that I am one of their favourite clients , and it is not for my sexual talents, lol.

How has that paid off for me - I am always the first client of the day for those in the AMP's - in fact most of them come in early for me without me asking so that we will not be interrupted. NOT ONE of them has been late by more than 5 minutes this year. Only once have i been cancelled or ghosted this year and that was because her period arrived over night . As far as the INDIES I have not been cancelled, ghosted or had to wait even 5 minutes this year. I always confirm the morning of the event and I almost always schedule the first appointment of the day.

I have not booked an agency this year , nor have i ever in my hobby career.

At my age I do not want any bullshit or unwelcome surprises. My regulars are regulars because they deserve to be -- no they are not young self entitled smoke shows to whom one more client means nothing but more dollars. I am appreciated and respected by my regulars and I respect and appreciate them.

I feel the same way. us being on the more ..eh hem…mature side if things has shown us what to value with an sp. I have regulars and I stick with them.

 

[Ohjerry]

one agency girl told me girls will be charged cancelation fee for same day cancelations. But it seems to me girls can cancel the day before if they don't have enough prebooks. I am also told they have to pay for the room fee if they made below certain quote. I know most of the agency girls are not getting enough appointments as they wish.
I believe girls don't cancel for no reason, either it's not enough prebooks, or periods, or burnout...

 

[Daddy2021]

one agency girl told me girls will be charged cancelation fee for same day cancelations. But it seems to me girls can cancel the day before if they don't have enough prebooks. I am also told they have to pay for the room fee if they made below certain quote. I know most of the agency girls are not getting enough appointments as they wish.
I believe girls don't cancel for no reason, either it's not enough prebooks, or periods, or burnout...

Paying the room fee sounds like bullshit. If the agency can’t get the bookings that day for them that’s on the agency. That is definitely bullying/pimping if you ask me. They pull in far more money than the ladies in a day and it’s all off the sps backs. Definitely biting the hands that feed them. This is why I refuse to see ladies at an agency. Charging a cancellation fee for a last minute shift cancellation I can understand but to fine based off of daily bookings is not ok.

 

[i am one]

Just my own thoughts here.
- If I were commuting for an hour or longer I'd have backup plans in place. Just commuting within the GTA can be an hour or longer hahaha.
- I don't mind cancellations because shit happens -- if the cancellation is legit. But receiving notice only when you get to the location is terrible customer service.
- I like that agencies want guys to confirm their appointments. I wish independents did this as well. I find some LL independents really sloppy with scheduling and not confirming both from guys and themselves.
- You have to accept that the nature of this business is that there's no customer service at all. If an agency treats you poorly you can't really complain, and honestly they probably don't care. If you complain you get blacklisted.

 

[YoYoHoward]

I don’t think agencies choose to notify last min. The sp is cancelling with them last min and can only notify you once they know.

There definitely are agencies that don’t bother to tell you if the girl cancels her shift for an upcoming day - they rely on you confirming that morning and tell you then. Super annoying but I think their logic is that you’re supposed to check their schedule the prior night.

Net-net though: there are a VERY small number of providers that are hot, a great fuck and also reliable workers. Girls like @Ahri or @AnastasiaStar (not sure if that’s the right Anastasia but the one at Mirage).

Most of the other young hot girls are - surprise, surprise - not reliable professionals. These are escorts, not accountants or lawyers…

 

[SinnamonFairbanks]

I'm not an agency person, but no one shows up to their prebookings. No one. There is like the odd unicorn that does, and I have to apologize profusely to that person. Because i've moved on to something else.

I just say "yeah" im available and no one ever comes through. I can have three or four tentative pre bookings that don't make a deposit and none of them will show up, and I will just get the appointments that come up that day.

Even if I finally managed to get someone to make a deposit, they don't show up... If they do show up, they don't show up at the time that they originally requested.

And it's always that one guy that actually follows through... That actually shows up on time that gets screwed over because the normal expectation is that guys don't show up to their appointments. They don't show up on time. Hell, i've even had people show up a day early or one or two hours early.

I had just as many appointments where people showed up extremely early or extremely late as much as i've had people show up on time... But it's almost like a hundred percent chance that a guy who pre books is not going to show up to his appointment. It's less likely if he makes a deposit but the likelihood that he will cancel is still very high.

Girls can kind of get a sense, and a feel of how things are gonna go that day and if it's not busy, it's not worth showing up that day and waiting around.

It's really boring.

On one hand men have this expectation that we're sitting around, waiting for them twenty four hours a day, waiting for their phone call... And on the other hand it's so boring, waiting around for people.

If there wasn't a mountain of bullshit that came with doing this type of work, everyone would do it. If people showed up to their appointments and respected boundaries, if they paid the price you were asking for and didn't push for more than you offer and expect you to bend over backwards for them... Honestly every single person would do this.

The hard part, it's not the sex. It's managing all the bullshit in the background.


That being said, it's not existing clients that don't show up... I can pre book with existing clients and it's generally at the time that we agree to... But pre booking with a new person is a shit show.

If you already know this girl and you have a rapport with her and she knows you're consistent, i'm sure she would stick around for you... But when you get dicked around all day, and you first start your shift and you've got two or three, no shows it just puts a bad taste in your mouth, and the agency should be screening, people better.

Someone mentions something about a guy trying to book a woman really early.

That's a game that some assholes play.

They ask what your schedule is and then they ask you to be available earlier or stay later. They have no intentions of showing up. They get off on wasting a woman's time.

I used to say at messages like that all the time and it helps, if you stop engaging with people who are constantly trying to push your boundaries.

If I set a boundary and people want to push my boundary, that's a huge red flag. Boundary pushers don't stop pushing boundaries.

I'd love for agencies to chime in here... because I'm really at odds with cancelation policies.
Everyone cancels from time to time, but for me Im looking at a multi hour commute -each way- when I book an appointment... as such, I appreciate the agencies situation and always give 24hr notice if I need to cancel... With the relatively new concept of 'pre-booking' I find more and more, it's impossible to book a appointment. When I do, the girls say they're constantly being canceled on... so they get frustrated and cancel their next shifts out of spite. To me, this means clients are booking multiple appointments predicting a cancelation, then canceling or worse...not showing up to their other appointments once they've seen someone.
I have a 3 strike rule, so most of my ATF girls are off the list... and it pisses me off, but I can't chance a 4+hr round trip on a last minuite cancelation. Honestly, THE SINGLE AND ONLY agency to contact me in advance because of a girls cancelation is Discreet Dolls. it was a simple, subtle text 'Hey' the night before, so prying eyes wouldn't know what the text was all about.. but I was able to make alternate arrangements and it all worked out.
I don't know if it's cursed Fridays, or whenever I buy gifts... but either seems to result in me only generating a large carbon footprint of frustration... now Im looking at a 3rd strike rule, combined with over $50 worth of Biltong...
and wondering how I even properly store this South African Jerky.

 

[i am one]

I'm not an agency person, but no one shows up to their prebookings. No one. There is like the odd unicorn that does, and I have to apologize profusely to that person. Because i've moved on to something else.
I just say "yeah" im available and no one ever comes through. I can have three or four tentative pre bookings that don't make a deposit and none of them will show up, and I will just get the appointments that come up that day.

I always show up for my pre-bookings. Though I generally only pre-book with my regulars. But I also believe you and feel that those guys that ghost you/others/agencies should be banned.

I feel that I'm a no problem client. I have minimal texting, show up to my bookings/pre-bookings, pay and don't complain. My experience is that this never gets any goodwill with agencies or independents though. I want to dream that being consistent a no problem client would somehow give me priority over random guys making first bookings and who then cancel or no show, but honestly the agencies don't care.

 

[Valeridawn]

Do you tell the agencies that you are coming out of town and have a multihour commute? Maybe that will give them a nudge to let you know about cancellations not last minute.
Otherwise I can't speak on agencies as I am an indy provider. I prefer prebookings as that lets me plan my day better and I always appreciate those who do plan ahead.

 

[goalie000]

Do you tell the agencies that you are coming out of town and have a multihour commute? Maybe that will give them a nudge to let you know about cancellations not last minute.
Otherwise I can't speak on agencies as I am an indy provider. I prefer prebookings as that lets me plan my day better and I always appreciate those who do plan ahead.

And do you have many cancellations and no shows?

 

[Valeridawn]

And do you have many cancellations and no shows?

No, less people cancel when they give a deposit.

 

[goalie000]

Of course a deposit. Etrans?

 

[SinnamonFairbanks]

It honestly should get you priority treatment because treating guys like you as important and valuable really makes a difference.

I think it's more important with an indy.

Someone who is straight forward will always take priority.

I took some silly one day course a long time ago and the course taught me that it's easier to maintain a current customer than it is to get a new one. So treating current customers well not only benefits a business but its actually cheaper to reward them for being loyal customer than it is to try and get new clients all the time

I changed my business model a bit and always focused on regulars after that. Regulars got priority over everyone.

Even to this day, if a regular wants to book, everyone else can wait. Im sticking with a sure thing. I've had some clients for over 10 years . I know what theyre about. Theyre consistent, they dont screw me around and if they dont theyre gone, and unfortunately, i've had to cut a few off, and then they circle back around and apologize.

I've had a lot of people send me money to unblock them because they behaved poorly.

But yeah... sorry about the rant.

You are the ideal client and that should be reflected in the service that you are given.

That being said, when I have to make a choice between two or three regulars trying to get the same time slot I will choose the one who pays the most money. I will choose the one that tips and I will choose the one who maybe brings gifts or is really nice to me but if you're dealing with someone on the phone who's not the girl that you're going to see i don't think they really know who you are or how these women feel about you as a client.

You honestly would get a better, more personalized experience with an indy.

Not me, i'm not talking about me. I'm just saying, there are so many good reputable indies that will give you a very personal experience, they will remeber who you are and try to make you feel special.

I always show up for my pre-bookings. Though I generally only pre-book with my regulars. But I also believe you and feel that those guys that ghost you/others/agencies should be banned.

I feel that I'm a no problem client. I have minimal texting, show up to my bookings/pre-bookings, pay and don't complain. My experience is that this never gets any goodwill with agencies or independents though. I want to dream that being consistent a no problem client would somehow give me priority over random guys making first bookings and who then cancel or no show, but honestly the agencies don't care.

 

[Ahri]

There definitely are agencies that don’t bother to tell you if the girl cancels her shift for an upcoming day - they rely on you confirming that morning and tell you then. Super annoying but I think their logic is that you’re supposed to check their schedule the prior night.

Net-net though: there are a VERY small number of providers that are hot, a great fuck and also reliable workers. Girls like @Ahri or @AnastasiaStar (not sure if that’s the right Anastasia but the one at Mirage).

Most of the other young hot girls are - surprise, surprise - not reliable professionals. These are escorts, not accountants or lawyers…

Thank you for your kind words! I genuinely enjoy my job so I try to be as professional as possible

 

[Ping]

I'm not an agency person, but no one shows up to their prebookings. No one. There is like the odd unicorn that does, and I have to apologize profusely to that person. Because i've moved on to something else.

I just say "yeah" im available and no one ever comes through. I can have three or four tentative pre bookings that don't make a deposit and none of them will show up, and I will just get the appointments that come up that day.

Even if I finally managed to get someone to make a deposit, they don't show up... If they do show up, they don't show up at the time that they originally requested.

And it's always that one guy that actually follows through... That actually shows up on time that gets screwed over because the normal expectation is that guys don't show up to their appointments. They don't show up on time. Hell, i've even had people show up a day early or one or two hours early.

I had just as many appointments where people showed up extremely early or extremely late as much as i've had people show up on time... But it's almost like a hundred percent chance that a guy who pre books is not going to show up to his appointment. It's less likely if he makes a deposit but the likelihood that he will cancel is still very high.

Girls can kind of get a sense, and a feel of how things are gonna go that day and if it's not busy, it's not worth showing up that day and waiting around.

It's really boring.

On one hand men have this expectation that we're sitting around, waiting for them twenty four hours a day, waiting for their phone call... And on the other hand it's so boring, waiting around for people.

If there wasn't a mountain of bullshit that came with doing this type of work, everyone would do it. If people showed up to their appointments and respected boundaries, if they paid the price you were asking for and didn't push for more than you offer and expect you to bend over backwards for them... Honestly every single person would do this.

The hard part, it's not the sex. It's managing all the bullshit in the background.


That being said, it's not existing clients that don't show up... I can pre book with existing clients and it's generally at the time that we agree to... But pre booking with a new person is a shit show.

If you already know this girl and you have a rapport with her and she knows you're consistent, i'm sure she would stick around for you... But when you get dicked around all day, and you first start your shift and you've got two or three, no shows it just puts a bad taste in your mouth, and the agency should be screening, people better.

Someone mentions something about a guy trying to book a woman really early.

That's a game that some assholes play.

They ask what your schedule is and then they ask you to be available earlier or stay later. They have no intentions of showing up. They get off on wasting a woman's time.

I used to say at messages like that all the time and it helps, if you stop engaging with people who are constantly trying to push your boundaries.

If I set a boundary and people want to push my boundary, that's a huge red flag. Boundary pushers don't stop pushing boundaries.

Wow that's bizzarro.. . thankyou for sharing. I admittedly go.on hiatus from the hobby... and I don't recall.when the pre book concept started. probably about Covid Time... or when the deposit concept started... (?) maybe putting deposits on the first few rebooking would help (?) or maybe it's competition pre-booking to frustrate everyone involved; but who's got that much time?

 

[billsmafia]

Wow that's bizzarro.. . thankyou for sharing. I admittedly go.on hiatus from the hobby... and I don't recall.when the pre book concept started. probably about Covington, when the deposit concept started... (?) maybe putting deposits on the first few rebooking would help (?) or maybe it's competition pre-booking to frustrate everyone involved; but who's got that much time?

Pre-bookings were around long before Covid. The agency releases their schedule, and you book the day/time that works for you. Only thing different now is the girls are more flaky than in the past, so choose wisely.