We've really got to get this guy out of the organization!!!!
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How many goalies do JF Jr. Want????
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Clemenson gives a good backup... Toskala wants to be a sole #1, not compete for #1...
what you heard last week about 2 #1's is 100% crap.
Raycroft is going somewhere... when? i don't know.
I agree with guyroch that JFJr should make it look like a 2 goalie system until Raycrofts stock rises. JFJr just blew that idea...
it was a great idea though:
1. Raycroft woulda rose his level of play to compete for ice time.
2. His value woulda rose in line with his level of play.
3. He is under contract for a bargain, if he plays the way he can.
4. A backup goalie coulda been had at anytime during the year.
5. 2 #1 goalie's up until mid-march woulda gave the team a great chance at a winning record... regardless of their poor D.
what you heard last week about 2 #1's is 100% crap.
Raycroft is going somewhere... when? i don't know.
I agree with guyroch that JFJr should make it look like a 2 goalie system until Raycrofts stock rises. JFJr just blew that idea...
it was a great idea though:
1. Raycroft woulda rose his level of play to compete for ice time.
2. His value woulda rose in line with his level of play.
3. He is under contract for a bargain, if he plays the way he can.
4. A backup goalie coulda been had at anytime during the year.
5. 2 #1 goalie's up until mid-march woulda gave the team a great chance at a winning record... regardless of their poor D.
J.S. Aubin is way better than Clemenson but I guess it would have cost more to sign Aubin. Maybe I'm just a little angry at Clemenson for not beating the Islanders In the last game of the season to knock us out of the playoffs (leafs fault i know i know).
Hopefully Muckler will come to the leafs rescue.
Hopefully Muckler will come to the leafs rescue.
Leafs really put themselves in a bind with this one. First, they extend Toskala's contract before he even plays for them. Then they sign a back-up meaning they now have to trade Raycroft. They should have been on the phones trying to trade Raycroft while still in the process of trading for Toskala. You could probably give an 8th round pick to Toronto to pick up Raycroft now.
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i think JFJr has made some real smart moves this off season.
too bad most of it is ridding himself of last season's mistakes.
Poggie isn't backup material yet and i am beginning to question whether he is NHL material at all.
too bad most of it is ridding himself of last season's mistakes.
Poggie isn't backup material yet and i am beginning to question whether he is NHL material at all.
i think the importance of a 1st round pick is overrated unless it is a top 10 pick... history has told us that.
especially if you are on a rich team like MLSE, you don't have to build upon the high picks from lacklustre performance.
just wait... after next season Alexandre Ovechkin is a Restricted Free Agent.
Toronto would be an IDEAL city for such an excellent spokesperson for the game... much like how Sundin worked out here. we didn't need to draft Sundin, either.
but, to send washington an offer sheet for A.Ove. JFJr would have to give up .... you guessed it.. 1st round draft picks! haha.
yep. there are a million things wrong with what i postulate here... and it's not a strong argument for getting Ove... that's not my point. and my argument is a weak one at best... rather, a different opinion to consider.
especially if you are on a rich team like MLSE, you don't have to build upon the high picks from lacklustre performance.
just wait... after next season Alexandre Ovechkin is a Restricted Free Agent.
Toronto would be an IDEAL city for such an excellent spokesperson for the game... much like how Sundin worked out here. we didn't need to draft Sundin, either.
but, to send washington an offer sheet for A.Ove. JFJr would have to give up .... you guessed it.. 1st round draft picks! haha.
yep. there are a million things wrong with what i postulate here... and it's not a strong argument for getting Ove... that's not my point. and my argument is a weak one at best... rather, a different opinion to consider.
draft picks are usually a crap shoot
I think too many folks are enamored with the draft in all sports. How often does a Crosby, Malkin, Staahl, or Ovechkin, come along? You certainly didn't have any of those in this years draft. The fact the Pittsburgh got three of them shows that the Pens sucked for a number of years to be able to pick in the top 5. Do you really want that level of futility in Toronto?
The Flyers sucked this year, get the number two pick after losing the lottery and get a kid that may play in the NHL two or three years from now. By all reports it was a weak draft and now that you are drafting 17 and 18 year old kids who haven't even developed yet, it is easier to miss than hit. In the past they didn't draft 17 and 18 year old kids, so you kinda new what you were getting.
The Pens, while exciting to watch the "kids" are a long way from Stanley Cup contention and they will have a hell of a time keeping all their "Young Stars" together in the new capped NHL. Pen fans are looking back to the Mario/Jauger days and thinking they'll be able to do it again but I don't see them being able to keep this team together. I hate this by the way. I liked the fact that you could build a team and keep it together but I beleive those days are gone. So building via the draft doesn't usually work out and in the new NHL I think it will be even more difficult.
I think too many folks are enamored with the draft in all sports. How often does a Crosby, Malkin, Staahl, or Ovechkin, come along? You certainly didn't have any of those in this years draft. The fact the Pittsburgh got three of them shows that the Pens sucked for a number of years to be able to pick in the top 5. Do you really want that level of futility in Toronto?
The Flyers sucked this year, get the number two pick after losing the lottery and get a kid that may play in the NHL two or three years from now. By all reports it was a weak draft and now that you are drafting 17 and 18 year old kids who haven't even developed yet, it is easier to miss than hit. In the past they didn't draft 17 and 18 year old kids, so you kinda new what you were getting.
The Pens, while exciting to watch the "kids" are a long way from Stanley Cup contention and they will have a hell of a time keeping all their "Young Stars" together in the new capped NHL. Pen fans are looking back to the Mario/Jauger days and thinking they'll be able to do it again but I don't see them being able to keep this team together. I hate this by the way. I liked the fact that you could build a team and keep it together but I beleive those days are gone. So building via the draft doesn't usually work out and in the new NHL I think it will be even more difficult.
jackd1959 said:
I would much rather watch the young and exciting Pens than the old and boring Leafs. BTW, Pens are closer to cup material than Leafs. pens just extended crosby's contract and will be looking to keep the other youngsters as well.
It's a good thing that Leafs management doesn't put much credence on the draft since they don't know how to use it.
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Those are good points, but you can't compare your Flyers to our Leafs. The Leafs haven't been to the finals in 40 years. We've seen close but not close enough a couple of times. How many years do us Leafs fans have to sit hear and say, "its ok, at least we're competitive even though we're not good enough to win the cup". We're sick of being decent, we want a winner at some point and don't mind trying to rebuild to get that team.jackd1959 said:
OK... some of you got my point others failed to see it. Pens were lucky to have such talented group of young players available... but some of that "luck" was the futility of the orginization. They've been at the bottom of the eastern conferance for a large number of years and had some talented players in the draft the years they had the number 1 and 2 pick. This years draft had no Crosby(1), Ovechkin(1), or Malkin(2). It didn't even have a Staahl. The last draft year(s) that had that kind of talent in it go back to the Lindros and Forsburg draft year.
YES I know the Flyers traded Forsburg to get Lindros, but I still liked the trade... Clarke should have added some other scoring lines instead of his patented muckers and grinders. How can any GM put Trent Klatt along side Lindros and expect a cup, but I digress.
I think you need both good draft picks AND successful free agent signings to be successful. Do Toronto fans really want to spend 5 years in the basement of the eastern conferance and hope for that level of talent to be available? You may say yes now but I really don't think you mean it.
If they do then maybe I can get Leaf season tickets!!!
YES I know the Flyers traded Forsburg to get Lindros, but I still liked the trade... Clarke should have added some other scoring lines instead of his patented muckers and grinders. How can any GM put Trent Klatt along side Lindros and expect a cup, but I digress.
I think you need both good draft picks AND successful free agent signings to be successful. Do Toronto fans really want to spend 5 years in the basement of the eastern conferance and hope for that level of talent to be available? You may say yes now but I really don't think you mean it.
If they do then maybe I can get Leaf season tickets!!!
Shack: One per year?
Your math is fuzzy... who was the sure thing this year?
You have 3 guys in the past 5 years only two of whom were considered immediate impact players when they were drafted. (Crosby and Ovechkin). Malkin was considered a potential impact player who panned out. Staahl was not expected to play in the NHL his first season... he was a huge surprise for the Pens... he played so well in the preseason and the first ten games that they did not send him to juniors.
While free agency did allow players to move, it is the salary cap the prevents teams from keeping their rosters intact if they are willing and financially able to do so. Now it doesn't matter how "rich" a franchise is, they can only spend what the cap allows without taking a "hit" for it.
Your math is fuzzy... who was the sure thing this year?
You have 3 guys in the past 5 years only two of whom were considered immediate impact players when they were drafted. (Crosby and Ovechkin). Malkin was considered a potential impact player who panned out. Staahl was not expected to play in the NHL his first season... he was a huge surprise for the Pens... he played so well in the preseason and the first ten games that they did not send him to juniors.
While free agency did allow players to move, it is the salary cap the prevents teams from keeping their rosters intact if they are willing and financially able to do so. Now it doesn't matter how "rich" a franchise is, they can only spend what the cap allows without taking a "hit" for it.
from what i remember, when Detroit won their Cups in 90's, they were alot more Russian than they were Swedish.
I don't think it matters where the player comes from. Ovechkin loves life and loves the game. That speaks louder than where he hails from.
I don't think it matters where the player comes from. Ovechkin loves life and loves the game. That speaks louder than where he hails from.
When is the last time any team in any sport has won a championship with so few of its own developed talent as the Leafs hope to do with a roster built off the scrap heap of other teams?jackd1959 said:
Aside from Kaberle and Wellwood, who of their homegrown talent can you really count on to play a large role in any championship aspirations?
You build a house from the foundation up (drafting and player development). The Leafs are trying to build it from the roof down (free agents and giving away your future for old vets).
Keeping their draft picks doesn't guarantee success, but trading away any and all young talent and prospects does guarantee you'll flounder in mediocrity (at best).
In a heartbeat!! If the payoff is a stable of young talent like Pittsburgh has put together? I'd take it over fighting for 8th place and a 1st round exit easily.jackd1959 said:
Look at some recent doormats of the past 10-15 years:
- Penguins (bright, bright future thanks to high draft picks).
- Tampa Bay Lightning (Stanley Cup champs)
- Carolina Hurricanes (Stanley Cup champs)
- Ottawa Senators (Stanley Cup birth, yearly contender)
- Quebec Nordiques (horrible for years and now they have multiple Stanley Cup rings)
Then you have other teams who have drafted tremendous talent but mismanaged the team and given it all away (Florida, Boston, NY Islanders, etc.)
If you can't win it all with a "decent" team, then blow it up and start all over again. Championship or bust, as far as I'm concerned.
