How lucrative of a career is it being a stripper, MPA, or SP?
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This thread is depressing. If there isn't big money to be made, what's the point? If it's that hard to make money and it's only 60-80K per year why not do a regular job?
If you love sex and want to get paid for it - go for it.
If you have no other options - I can see it as a quick out but what happens to the girls who don't become lifer's? How are they treated on the outside world - you can't put stripper or escort on a resume and some dude looking for a respectable girl doesn't want to end up with an ex-escort/stripper - do they?
If I were going to get into this industry I'd try to figure out how to get into that top tier where guys are paying $20K just for a weekend with them - like Elliot Spitzer type girls
If you love sex and want to get paid for it - go for it.
If you have no other options - I can see it as a quick out but what happens to the girls who don't become lifer's? How are they treated on the outside world - you can't put stripper or escort on a resume and some dude looking for a respectable girl doesn't want to end up with an ex-escort/stripper - do they?
If I were going to get into this industry I'd try to figure out how to get into that top tier where guys are paying $20K just for a weekend with them - like Elliot Spitzer type girls
Keep in mind we're talking $60-80K tax free. That's like earning $120-160K a year in the working world before the government takes its pound of flesh.Writer said:
What make you think they are not respectful? Also who’s to say,” All girls outside this industry is respectful?” As for putting stripper or escort on a resume I am sure some have, as saying, “I was a dance!”
But quite honestly now, does it really matter about someone’s past, May be in the eyes of hypocrites who go to services provides and run home to the wife or girl friends. Sit now and pretend they are some good too shoes faithful and all that.
Really now! Does it really matter about a person past, what to say this person would not be a great friend, companion lover, or what not; after all relationships are built on communication, bonding, trusting, respects and caring for one another. Even though you may have these feeling for a person relationship still a lot of work, so who to say, they can not be respectful?
Quite honestly, they are being respect if they tell you in the beginning and allow you the opportunity to let the door slam you in the ass. What I am thinking right now is what make you think only girls outside this industry are respectful and a guy looking for a respectful girl, can only fined one outside this industry?”
Maybe because not all people can get a 15 – 25 dollar an hour job nor make 50 – 70k a year, ask I say,” You will never know how someone else feels, until you walked in their shoes.” So some do what they have to in order to survive. Ask the employer with the job ad why he offering only $10.00 and hr, Ask the landlord who wants 1000$ - 1500 a month for a bachelor pad, or one bedroom apartment.
Aren’t they the ones you should be asking why they do it?
I know. I beginning to think some people have no clue when talking about reality. I do not know may be they live in their parent’s basement or something or share apartment with 10 others. I have no idea but if you have to ask why? I think you need to ask a politician; they can lie better than I, and tell you another fantasy.
I suspect he was speaking about the attitudes of the average person out there, rather than about his own attitudes. This is terb, there are very few people here who are going to hold a negative opinion about SP's.john frankly said:
It's silly though to be blind to the attitudes of the rest of society, who are not going to look on the whole thing favourably, and who are going to think that being an SP is the very definition of not being "respectable", however ridiculous that notion is to us here on terb.
An SP has to face these biases, however wrong they are, they are a fact of life for now in our society. Hopefully some day it will change but until it does it's something that must be considered--how do you deal with those biases? Some women deal with it by trying to conceal this part of their life, others are willing to say "fuck you" and accept that for many biased people in our society they will always be outsiders.
Anyway I rather think he was speaking about the biases the SP will likely encounter out there rather than stating how he personally feels about SP's.
Yeah, I was talking in general. But the questions did come up recently as I was at a SC and met a girl who knocked my socks off - the most gorgeous girl I have seen in a long time and even 10 times better than any other stripper there. This thread may actually have given me some info that could help me if I have any chance of picking her up.
Who are the guys that date strippers and escorts and do girls who strip or escort hold a different view of the future - like no intention of ever getting married or having kids or do they want the same thing?
I guess since most sp's and strippers are 19-23 that it is a way to pay for the ridiculous costs of school so you can get a regular job. I mean I can't imagine how depressing and hard on self esteem it is to be pushing 40 and still stripping considering how hard it is for them to give lap dances.
Who are the guys that date strippers and escorts and do girls who strip or escort hold a different view of the future - like no intention of ever getting married or having kids or do they want the same thing?
I guess since most sp's and strippers are 19-23 that it is a way to pay for the ridiculous costs of school so you can get a regular job. I mean I can't imagine how depressing and hard on self esteem it is to be pushing 40 and still stripping considering how hard it is for them to give lap dances.
This whole "regular job " thing is really getting on my nerves. first of what is a "regular job". I would think the basic terms for a "regular job" would be showing up to work on time, being respectful to your co-workers, employees and other staff members. and putting in 100% on the job til your schedule is over. and of course collect a pay check.
Now as for the whole worried about someone's past and what they put on thier resume if they choose to find another job or a different career path that is completely up to the person and what they choose to do with thier lives.
We already have alot of stigma and streotype of what strippers, escorts, porn star, and phone sex operators make plus all the other job titles in the sex industry. but again people forget we are people first, we have passions, desires, goals and all pretty much looking for our life purpose and fulfilment.
Does it really matter if one of us makes 5k to 200k a year No not really. becuase we have to go out there and do the work for it. Whatever our reasons are for being in this industry we should all hope it was made in a healthy state of mind and our own choosing.
Now as for the whole worried about someone's past and what they put on thier resume if they choose to find another job or a different career path that is completely up to the person and what they choose to do with thier lives.
We already have alot of stigma and streotype of what strippers, escorts, porn star, and phone sex operators make plus all the other job titles in the sex industry. but again people forget we are people first, we have passions, desires, goals and all pretty much looking for our life purpose and fulfilment.
Does it really matter if one of us makes 5k to 200k a year No not really. becuase we have to go out there and do the work for it. Whatever our reasons are for being in this industry we should all hope it was made in a healthy state of mind and our own choosing.
Not to gloss over the remainder of your post but there's more:Riley.Royal said:
1. Limited amount of paid time off
2. Federal tax, Provincial tax, EI and CPP deductions
3. Non-compensated overtime for white collar specialized occupations
4. Performance appraisals
There could be more but i hope i could clarify some aspects of a 'regular job' better for you.
I was asked by a stripper I knew because i bought a lot of dances from her 'friend' (nobody in a SC is anybody else's 'friend' as i later realized): "why don't you have a gf, you don't need to be here?". I gave her my story and asked her "Why don't you have a bf?" and she looked around and said "What decent guy would want a girl who does this?" (referring to dancing and extras going on around us).Writer said:
So in her mind, she sees this occupation where decent guys are going to walk away. She lives by herself. She parties with her girlfriends. Why? Because, as she again told me, the only guys who chase her are old creeps, pimps or otherwise losers who she's not interested in. She does want a 'normal life' (her words) with a house, family and kids in the future.
I hope that gives you some insight into one 22 yr old dancer's life and her hopes for the future. To me it was sad because even after making a lot of $$, she's fundamentally alone (yes, text messages to that effect and no she wasn't asking me to come and spend $$ on her).
Okay I love this comment most of all. A lot of girls do claim taxes as self employed workers. What I am surprised at is if this is a factor in this related topic.
I will say, what about the business person who does under table jobs, earn cash on the side through business and do not give receipts so they do not have to put jobs on there account books?
What about the small to medium business man who hire workers, who do under the table on cash job assignments, and does not pay WISB to the government. Nor do they pay taxes, EI, CPP deductions….Oh I forgot this is legal? O yea these are regular jobs as well! Well no matter how you look at it.
I am guessing this above sort is acceptable based on the fact people can turn a blind eye, and it hold less stereotyping involved…Or should I say the label of stripper, massage attended, or service provider.
I could explain reality to you more if you wish? I am sure an argument of your caliber, hold the demerits of someone who needs to look out their window, and view what actually going on in society, politics and our economic foundation.
Want to argue the point below, make is simple, legalize it and stop with the attitude of what makes it wrong! Or attempting to clarify a regular job is.
As for clarifying a regular job for you,” It is a position of employment that allows a person, or person to obtain some financial stability within their lives that allows them to pay their bill, a roof over their heads, maintain somewhat a healthy lifestyle, contributes to society through investing in economic growth (meaning they buy products and goods), as well as claim taxes as a self employed worker and saving a little money a long the way.”
In short when you define what is regular jobs please do so with the understanding. This in itself is a regular job, it customer service oriented and division within society have chosen to use the services provided. Thus making is a contributing business entity and market place. Oh, also apparently is fall prey to the same above mentioned.
Apparently your friend need to quite, if she has such a view of this herself and it is affecting her in such away, lowering her opinion and self esteem; and you my friend if you really have these feeling of this industry need to stop going to strip joints or others, and join a chores group at a church.
As for dirty old men (they are customers), I guess a young man is okay since he does not want to wank off a lone( Yet could we not say, he is a dirty young man or does being a young sex addict make them better?); and the use of pimp (A pimp is defined as a person who uses force and control over a service provider to extract money.)
Some girls are in loving relationships, work at this part time because neither are earning enough. Some are single mothers who do this because they can not find work that pay well enough and they love their families. Simple sacrifices done out of love in an economy that is fucked up.
Because personally in a realistic sense of reality people do what they feel they need to do based on individual perception of the surroundings around them. Not everyone has opportunity. So they make opportunity happen. The best way they can in order to retain some merit of stability in a society that bent on draining their pockets, or having you heard these words before,” Money is like water it has a tendency to evaporate if you aren’t getting enough.”
Enclosing this I can only say," What the hell you think life is the leave it to beaver show? Damn wake up it more like the adams family...all screwed up and people are making it through life the best way they can."
JohnFrankly, Serpent was showing the DOWNSIDES of a "real" world job, as opposed to working as an SP/SC/MP. Those downsides also compare versus other self-employed people, like contractors working for cash, etc. I don't think he was trashing those avoiding taxes. He was just pointing out the downsides to NOT being self-employed!
Your probably right...however I alway was just stating reality. Nothing personal in it all....after all its a message board..people each share opinions 
No problem... just starting to seem like you are a cup-half-empty guy the way you read the posts and reply, whether you are or not! But then again, given some of the posters on here, I don't blame you for going right to the negative.john frankly said:Your probably right...however I alway was just stating reality. Nothing personal in it all....after all its a message board..people each share opinions
Not negative my friend.... when you read the statements..it not negative to apply different points of view on subject matter. It about voicing both sides and answering questions that are issue related.... If giving voicing to two side of an issue is negative...damn we all in trouble, because it a fact of life.
Honestly giving voice to both sides of a issue is a positive injection
It wasn't your posts that were negative, don't get me wrong there! It's the way you view other's posts I was talking about. Again, no biggie, you are well-informed with some decent posts, so please continue!john frankly said:
I find asking how much SPs make is like asking how much do hockey players make. Some are superstars promoted by us BTW Gretsky Crosby types, some are on the verge of being driven out of the biz by low business. In one apartment I frequent, one girl has a target of $1000 a day, doesn't always reach it but always close. In the same apartment her partner has a goal of $500 a day. Tends to close the phone after 4-5 guys, takes lots of days off, stuff like that. Some are part-time students, some full time girls.
Even an average is kind of meaningless because none of them are average. Some love it, some hate it. It can be very rewarding financially. Carman Fox herself lives in a $4 million dollar estate in North Vancouver, directs a staff of 6 phone girls and over 100 SPs. Not bad for someone who started as a working girl, then you see the the crack Hos down on Hastings St OMG what spectrum.
Even an average is kind of meaningless because none of them are average. Some love it, some hate it. It can be very rewarding financially. Carman Fox herself lives in a $4 million dollar estate in North Vancouver, directs a staff of 6 phone girls and over 100 SPs. Not bad for someone who started as a working girl, then you see the the crack Hos down on Hastings St OMG what spectrum.
