How lucrative of a career is it being a stripper, MPA, or SP?

[john frankly]

I find asking how much SPs make is like asking how much do hockey players make. Some are superstars promoted by us BTW Gretsky Crosby types, some are on the verge of being driven out of the biz by low business. In one apartment I frequent, one girl has a target of $1000 a day, doesn't always reach it but always close. In the same apartment her partner has a goal of $500 a day. Tends to close the phone after 4-5 guys, takes lots of days off, stuff like that. Some are part-time students, some full time girls.

Even an average is kind of meaningless because none of them are average. Some love it, some hate it. It can be very rewarding financially. Carman Fox herself lives in a $4 million dollar estate in North Vancouver, directs a staff of 6 phone girls and over 100 SPs. Not bad for someone who started as a working girl, then you see the the crack Hos down on Hastings St OMG what spectrum.

Here here plain and simple

 

[Rockslinger]

It's silly though to be blind to the attitudes of the rest of society, who are not going to look on the whole thing favourably, and who are going to think that being an SP is the very definition of not being "respectable", however ridiculous that notion is to us here on terb.

The broader society still view sex workers the same way they view homos 15 years ago. The homos came out of their closet and fought for their rights to live their lives as they see fit. Now you have people proudly proclaiming from the rooftops: "My son is a homo and I am his proud father!" Will sex workers ever attain that social status? Ask me 15 years from now.

 

[Rockslinger]

It can be very rewarding financially. Carman Fox herself lives in a $4 million dollar estate in North Vancouver, directs a staff of 6 phone girls and over 100 SPs.

The big money is in agency ownership. Oh no, did someone say the girls should form a union?

Carman Fox is clearly a rags to riches story. The founder of Cirque de Soleil is another street buster to billionaire circus owner success story.

 

[elmo]

Carman Fox herself lives in a $4 million dollar estate in North Vancouver, directs a staff of 6 phone girls and over 100 SPs. Not bad for someone who started as a working girl, then you see the the crack Hos down on Hastings St OMG what spectrum.

wow...good money in pimpin...

 

[Riley.Royal]

Not to gloss over the remainder of your post but there's more:

1. Limited amount of paid time off
2. Federal tax, Provincial tax, EI and CPP deductions
3. Non-compensated overtime for white collar specialized occupations
4. Performance appraisals

There could be more but i hope i could clarify some aspects of a 'regular job' better for you.

1. Limited amount of paid time off
I never get a day off, and certain no paid sick days. I am self employed so If I have to take time off I have to work double the next working day for the same amount of pay or put in more hours to cover what I missed.

2. Federal tax, Provincial tax, EI and CPP deductions
I pay taxes, just because you think sex worker you can't generalize some of us do take a portion of what we make and put it aside for the tax man. each year when I file they ask me how much do I want to put in for my CPP and I also set aside my own money for EI in case I am not able to work.

3. Non-compensated overtime for white collar specialized occupations
There is no such thing as overtime when your self employed you just cut out things out of your day like sleep or eating. to make sure you have a good earning day. Plus any special courses or seminars or workshops I would like to take that improve my skills and work performence comes out of my own pocket. then at the end of the year I have to claim it as self improved for my self employed proffesion.

4. Performance appraisals
I am evaluated way more being a sex worker then I was working in a call centre. so I am reviewed and evaluated maybe 4 to 10 times in a month. from customers, and people who view my videos or my webcam shows. and there is no bonus pay for that.

It's a regular job just with its own different set of rules.

 

[john frankly]

It's the way you view other's posts I was talking about.

I do try to view them with objectivity in mind. However, I am human and carry the same fallacy. I think it called human nature

 

[21pro]

and from your estimation what seems to be the overall consensus in terms of average annual income for these lovely ladies?

ask RevCan... they seem to know.

 

[Mrbig1949]

I reckon that a superstar Indy in Toronto say a Tina White type if she was on the ball, didn't blow it on drugs booze or a broke ass BF could pocket $200 000 a year, a middle of the roader who made $600/day 20 days per month some holidays could make $100 000 a year. Biz is down a lot over the last year. Ya there are expenses but if you work out of a $2000 condo and would only live in a $1000 apt otherwise that extra is $12 000/year. Paying for hotel rooms may increase safety but costs as well.

Speak up, tell me if I'm nuts here.

 

[ready2rock]

I reckon that a superstar Indy in Toronto say a Tine White type if she was on the ball, didn't blow it on drugs booze or a brke ass BF could pocket $200 000 a year, a middle of the roader who made $600/day 20 days per month some holidays could make $100 000 a year. Biz is down a lot over the last year. Ya there are expenses but if you work out of a $2000 condo and would only live in a $1000 apt otherwise that extra is $12 000/year. Paying for hotel rooms may increase safety but costs as well.

Speak up, tell me if I'm nuts here.

When I did the math, I assumed an Independent working 2 hours per day @$300.00 per hour, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year = $150,000.00 per year or $12,500 per month in income. About an equal share of incall & outcall. I estimated monthly expenses of about $13,000. Living the life is expensive; something has to give.

 

[toughb]

1. Limited amount of paid time off
I never get a day off, and certain no paid sick days. I am self employed so If I have to take time off I have to work double the next working day for the same amount of pay or put in more hours to cover what I missed.

2. Federal tax, Provincial tax, EI and CPP deductions
I pay taxes, just because you think sex worker you can't generalize some of us do take a portion of what we make and put it aside for the tax man. each year when I file they ask me how much do I want to put in for my CPP and I also set aside my own money for EI in case I am not able to work.

3. Non-compensated overtime for white collar specialized occupations
There is no such thing as overtime when your self employed you just cut out things out of your day like sleep or eating. to make sure you have a good earning day. Plus any special courses or seminars or workshops I would like to take that improve my skills and work performence comes out of my own pocket. then at the end of the year I have to claim it as self improved for my self employed proffesion.

4. Performance appraisals
I am evaluated way more being a sex worker then I was working in a call centre. so I am reviewed and evaluated maybe 4 to 10 times in a month. from customers, and people who view my videos or my webcam shows. and there is no bonus pay for that.

It's a regular job just with its own different set of rules.

***

Did I miss something? I ran my own business for 15 years. Same situation except #4 where if I lost a customer it wasn't that easy to pick up a new one...

 

[GotGusto]

This thread is depressing. If there isn't big money to be made, what's the point? If it's that hard to make money and it's only 60-80K per year why not do a regular job?

They do make more, much more. Even making $30k tax free is making lots more than most people. Consider that many of these girls are 18 - 25, many of them with limited schooling or skills. Try getting a job that pays $60k+ per year when you're that young and have no skills. How much were you making when you were 19? I was making minimum wage working part time while going to school.

Secondly, time is money and vice versa. Buying time is something a regular worker can't do. He/she has to get up 5 days a week and work from 9 to 5. An SP doesn't have to work as many hours, and gets to make their own work schedule. This type of 'freedom' is hard to come by at any Joe job. Free time is priceless.

 

[wet_suit_one]

All I'll say in addition to this thread is that the dancer I spoke of earlier worked 5 weeks on, 7 days straight from 6pm to 3 a.m. (or so), had to do the makeup thing every damned day, workout, live in a hotel (which sucks over long periods of time), away from home (she didn't work in the city she lived in), put up with massive amounts of shit, disrespectful idiots etc., put on a smile and FUCKING ON (and I mean she was on! Watching that woman work was like watching a brain surgeon do his job. The way she smiled, talked, flirted, played the guys egos etc. it was fucking unbelievable. She was so intelligent about how to deal with people and get them to buy dances from her it was an honour to be able to watch such a master at work. If she sold cars (or anything else for that matter) she'd make millions. Seriously!). She worked fucking hard and earned every fucking cent of her money. Compared to other strippers working the club anyone with an eye could she that she wanted to work hard and be the best damned stripper she could be (with the attendant pay packet). Thus, I'm sure she made the big money I was mentioning before. I have no doubt.

Smart, focused, sexy and a hard worker. IF every stripper was like her, honest to god, every man who ever went to a SC would be fucking broke. They'd never leave and would willingly give them all of their money.

It was then that realized that the men are the victims at SC's not the women.

Anyways...

 

[lloyd2k]

I was asked by a stripper I knew because i bought a lot of dances from her 'friend' (nobody in a SC is anybody else's 'friend' as i later realized): "why don't you have a gf, you don't need to be here?". I gave her my story and asked her "Why don't you have a bf?" and she looked around and said "What decent guy would want a girl who does this?" (referring to dancing and extras going on around us).

So in her mind, she sees this occupation where decent guys are going to walk away. She lives by herself. She parties with her girlfriends. Why? Because, as she again told me, the only guys who chase her are old creeps, pimps or otherwise losers who she's not interested in. She does want a 'normal life' (her words) with a house, family and kids in the future.

I hope that gives you some insight into one 22 yr old dancer's life and her hopes for the future. To me it was sad because even after making a lot of $$, she's fundamentally alone (yes, text messages to that effect and no she wasn't asking me to come and spend $$ on her).

a girl i was friends with became a stripper, secretly though. she didn't know that I knew. she kept her distance and didn't want to date or hang out, and I truly think she felt ashamed of stripping or that I wouldn't approve.

 

[Mrbig1949]

I was teaching at York went to a SC and one of my students asked me if I wanted a dance. We were both embarrassed for ourselves but also for the other. She whispered in my ear, this is our little secret ok? I winked declined the dance headed for the door and we never spoke of it again although there were some funny face looks back in class.

 

[Rockslinger]

I was teaching at York went to a SC and one of my students asked me if I wanted a dance.

Isn't it illegal for a teacher to accept a lap dance offer from one of his students ? Same with doctor and patient and lawyer and client.

 

[Mrbig1949]

That is one reason I declined along with embarrased and inappropriate

Isn't it illegal for a teacher to accept a lap dance offer from one of his students ? Same with doctor and patient and lawyer and client.

I would expect that the dance would only compound things. Vacating the establishment seemed the best course for all concerned.

 

[Serpent]

If she sold cars (or anything else for that matter) she'd make millions. Seriously!).

That's an exaggeration. Getting a family of 4 (for example) to spend their hard earned money on a car purchase is a hard sell compared to selling your body to a lonely and/or drunk guy.

Again: let's keep some perspective while overall appreciating the fact that she was good at what she was selling at that time: herself.

 

[GotGusto]

Now you have people proudly proclaiming from the rooftops: "My son is a homo and I am his proud father!"

LOL. While fathers are more accepting these days, I don't know of any that proudly boast of having a gay son.