How lucrative of a career is it being a stripper, MPA, or SP?

john frankly

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I think what people are saying here is there has been some success stories. Not all of them have been sad or full of sorrow... As for the stripper you know who wasted her money and now is working for a living....that a success story in itself.

She has a change of career and a stats of employment....at least she's working and in my opinion their is nothing wrong with empting waste baskets for a living.

A job does not define a person. It what they do in action...is what defines them...we all make mistakes and we all learn from them.
 

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Another breakdown for you fellas to consider

The cost, for me, to meet with a client, incall provided (this is the norm for me)

60-120 on hotel room (thanks for www.copycraigs.com)
10 bucks on lube and condoms (provided you use the expensive ones)
20 on silk stockings/new toys/misc
30 cab to and from the hotel

=$120 to 180 just to see one client. (which is why, you either see a few people and charge a typical rate, or charge a lot, like me, and see one)

And of course you could argue I could do things differently, but that's typical for me

Add in, monthly

$50 US for terb advertising a month
$330 for Eros (again, just me, others pay 60)
and $50 a month on CL accounts (cause when you advertise on CL, accounts get shut down very easily, and you have to resort to buy them)

$430 a month on advertising.

It really does add up. Things most clients don't consider when thinking about SP incomes....
 

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Maya obviously at least for most SP's those are costs that get divided over many clients. You don't use $10 in lube in one session (very often?) and if you see 3-4 clients a day the cost of that hotel room falls to $15-40 per session. It's also inefficient if you are constantly cabbing it back and forth to the hotel all day.

Obviously too if you are regularly running an incall you can get the price down even lower by renting a flat long-term.

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For an imaginary SP, not you, let's say the costs work out to around $30/session, the average session is 30-60min for 150 to 220, the SP sees four clients a day, and works five days a week three weeks out of four.

That would imply an income of ~120k for a fairly busy SP. For a less busy one who works half that figure 60k.

Plainly for crazy SP's who see 10 customers a day it could be as high as 250k but as someone said that is not sustainable for very long.

Most SP's likely evade some or all their taxes due so that's more than it sounds but probably ballpark reasonable.

I would intuitively expect that since SP's provide the highest mileage they are reciving the top dollar and that MPA's are paid less, and strippers less still.

I note that I have no real inside insight here this is just one of those back-of-the-envelope calculations that could be totally wrong.

(I must remember to use "how much do you think a prostitute earns per year" as an interview question some day, along the lines of "how many litres of gasolien do you think there are in Toronto right now", just to see what sort of creative thinking people come up with.)
 

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if you're me you use 10 bucks worth of lube, sometimes more lol

I've had sessions that use up half a bottle.

I use so much lube sometimes, I'm currently looking to be sponsored by a lube company.;)

(again, agreed, most girls don't go through lube and condoms like I do)
 

john frankly

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You know! All this talk about how these girls make big money and some mismanage it is in fact true. Some really do. However, there are those that really do treat it like a job/ or should I say business. A small number, how many I; can not say for sure. Do not think anyone’s ever really did a survey on it.

This I know for a fact. I have met a lot of different people through out my career, as an adult entertainment marketing specialist. Yep! Met people all over the USA and Canada; friend with some very well known people in this industry.

One thing is for sure as people discuss how much these lovely ladies make. One should also take into account the risk they are taking. When servicing some gents? For example, not every one is respectful; some guys do treat them as product and not human beings. I have read it on this board many, time as I read what people say.

Sure some of these special ladies move from being strippers, to massage attendants, some even into the porn industry, others choose to be services providers. Some even go through the steps, of changing careers from being porn models to services provider. So on and so on forth.

The fact here is simple. They have chosen this career path for various reasons somewhere along the line a price for services were set. Currently, some are fair, and some are not, what’s fair even I do not know. What reasonable is determined by the level of what the guy feels is a fair price.

In the porn industry a female model can earn as much as $600.00 for a girl on girl’s scene, $800.00 -$1000.00 for a boy/girl, $1200 for an anal sex scene, group…etc, the same for cream pie scene, and $300 for a, cum in mouth scene, as well as $200 bucks for a hand job scene.

However even though these prices are pretty much set by industry standards across the porn business, the fact is there is risk involved in both industries. Also the prices have been set by competition. Some is higher, some may be lower, and some I question why the fuck a girl would charge so low.

So pretty much at times I think when I use to shoot this stuff in Florida and California, edit it and prepare it for distribution. How the fuck can they do that! I remember Ed powers paying a girl $2000.00 bucks just because she was new to the industry, and he was racing to be the first to do her on camera.

I can also tell you one other thing after he shot her on camera. She would never see another $2000 up front again in her hand. Sure the average girl down there is making anywhere from $15000 - $20000 per week if she works her ass off and gets a lot of shoots because she willing to do anything for the money. But remember this is only short lived and I mean very short for most like 90%.

Yes! New girls come everyday into that industry and get the glow on for the big money and the promise of false dreams of stardom. But it does not last long! Sure a girl can go down south and make a shit load of money in the beginning, but they pay a high price also in some cases, meaning pregnancy, sexually transmitted disease, incurable ones as well as curable ones.

The expectation placed on these women is, at time unreasonable, men, dictating their value. What its worth to them to get them on film or in the sack. Honestly, they are the ones providing the service, also taking large risk, because some guy think nothing of treating them like product, and saying things like, “ I paying for the services so the customers the one that get off every time.”

Really now some guys really do not care at all, they call them names and joke about it as if it were polite and think nothing of it. Go use them, and then run homes to the wife as if nothing ever happened. Personally I think. One should feel a little bit of gratitude to the ladies since they are providing you a fantasy services at times and a service of allowing you the pleasure of getting Willie off.

Because in all honestly some guys could not get a girl friend if they tried, because their attitude sucks, and they think they own one because they buy an hour or two of their time.

So when you haggle about the price I think one should take into consideration the risk they are taking, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. One must also consider human affect, like dating and ever being able to be intimate or emotional again with a sincere partner in life. I am telling it in truth and with reality, from 14 years of life long experience working in an industry on the other side…..

No wonder I enjoy visiting site all day! I find some interesting topic to get involved it, and I am not afraid to say it how it really is.

Now I can say why I do not shoot it anymore.....read above lol I rather just do marketing :)
 
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Great Post John.
 

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Great post John, Some people do forget that becoming a sex worker is more then giving the sex. there is so many other factors to consider and be concerned about. Yes if women choose to treat this like a business and keep track of expenses, and pay taxes, and follow a strict schedule they can find thier own success, but some do get lost in the fantasy of the business in the fact they are getting sex, they are getting a level of fame, and in some cases they might feel they are getting some type of respect.
 

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wow John, it sounds like your career is even more interesting than a porn star's.

For the SP who made 400k in 7.5 years and only had 30k to show for it in the end, I don't really think that's so bad. She had memories of partying and holidays, and when you think about it, life is all about your experiences and memories, moreso than material things.

I know for me the best times I've had in my life were with family, friends, going on dates with women and having sex, and travelling around the world. The memories I have from all of that are incredible, and that's what life is all about, your memories and experiences. Sometimes, or I should say often times, the best things in life are not material.
 

john frankly

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wow John, it sounds like your career is even more interesting than a porn star's.
Well honestly my life is not more exciting than a, porn stars. Truthfully, I know a few very high profile women in that industry. I just have learned over time it is a business and like any other business they are in this career for various reason. Reason I care not to judge them on nor make slang and disrespectful remarks.

For me the fantasy and the hype, is gone. All I seen front of me is human being, people working to achieve some means to an end, and this is providing themselves with some pleasure in their lives like earning a living, gaining some stability in this rat race we call life.

I have seen women come into that industry all gun ho, and happy, with the illusion it is going to make them starlets. Once again I will reiterate this is only a small percentage. Over all a lot end up drug addicted, diseases like herpes, or Gonorrhea all because someone did not care enough to get themselves tested.

For example: In march 2004, Lax Roxx a beautiful young lady, native of Montreal Canada hopped on a plane and entered the heart of the porn industry in the San Fernando valley, just on the other side of the Hollywood sign. With the illusion of becoming a big time porn starlet; just because someone promised her the wealth of the world; what she ended up with is contracting HIV. All because someone chose to hide their infection, personally I think people should have more respect for each other. WATCH HERE WHOLE STORY HERE

The bottom line is easy to see this is a high risk industry in the same way the porn industry is. Last night I went to visit Dennis Hof’s bunny ranch brothel site, and looked over his message board. What I seen were girls from all over leaving their pictures their in order to get his attention. Even girls suggestion a willingness to sell their virginity. They wanted to opportunity to work and earn some real cash.

When I think about all this and when I read stuff regarding the red light district in Netherlands, and other countries. I can say, only one thing, “This industry is here to stay it’s been here for thousands of years. It one of the oldest professions through out history, still the same narrow minded views exists across time and space.”

The reality is human cost. I see nothing wrong with working in this industry or any other. What I see wrong is people attitudes, some down right foul, disrespectful, and uncaring. Sure a hobbyist may call it just this, but remember the person who you are enjoying your time with is a person as well. They have a life. They have family. They have people that will love and miss them when they are gone.

So in my opinion arguing about how much they charge is neither here or there. They did not set the price. The industry did. What you should be concerned with is protecting yourself and them. A little care and respect can go a long way. So in realism, taking the time out to ensure either’s safety is a good thing. Simply means you respect the SP, and yourself. Not to leave out the reality that you may be increasing the longevity of both your lives just because you cared enough to take precaution.

Yes, in every action there is a reaction, as well as a cause and affect. The one thing we all can do is ensure the safety of each other by lowering the risk…besides I love women and treat them all equally, so why would I want to harm someone where I see benefit.

For me a woman’s body is like art work. When I use my camera I can bring out her inner beauty, and awaken the smiles within her. Yes. I think we should be remembering our girls are people too. So why not treated them with respect, it can only bring out the beauty in their personalities.

Enclosing I can only say, I live a seclusionary life in front of my computer. LOL:)



Now I can say why I do not shoot it anymore.....read above lol I rather just do marketing
 
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Miss Maya Blue said:
if you're me you use 10 bucks worth of lube, sometimes more lol

I've had sessions that use up half a bottle.

I use so much lube sometimes, I'm currently looking to be sponsored by a lube company.

(again, agreed, most girls don't go through lube and condoms like I do)
Maya, you wouldn't need any lube with me! :D
 

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I think some of the more popular dancers at some of the strip clubs must rake in big bucks.

I know there is one dancer at HOL-1 -- I think her name is Asia -- who seems to have been in high demand for private dances whenever I have been there. I also think she works quite a number of days per week, based on what she told a friend of mine one time.

I would think she must be making some pretty significant coin.

Of course, she's one of the most attractive women there. I don't think the average dancer does as well.
 

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moviefan said:
I think some of the more popular dancers at some of the strip clubs must rake in big bucks.
I think dancers are like actors. A few make really big bucks. Most make decent money. Some have to wait on tables to make ends meet.

I know one dancer who has perfected her M.O. She works only 2 nights a week. She has a roster of regulars who are all 70 years old and are retired teachers or other public servants on gold plated pensions. She gives them undivided attention in the VIP and they just throw money at her. She doesn't even work the floor because all her VIP trips have already been pre-arranged by tel calls beforehand.
 

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For the SP who made 400k in 7.5 years and only had 30k to show for it in the end, I don't really think that's so bad. She had memories of partying and holidays, and when you think about it, life is all about your experiences and memories, moreso than material things.
Memories are nice but the pleasant memories of that New Year's cruise in the Caribbean dosen't pay the rent and put food on the table to-day.
 

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Miss Maya Blue said:
the lube is not for me. that takes care of itself.;)
Hmmm... you must be referring to a service I do not partake in... does that mean I get a $10 discount? LOL!
 

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Back on topic... I'm with the majority here. No SP's are getting rich doing this. The physical, emotional and mental demands are too high to see the volume of clients to make it that lucrative.

But it is a cash business, primarily, so in most cases the money they get is tax-free. Some who are interested in functioning in the real world and getting mortgages and credit claim income and pay tax. I would say the vast majority don't.

To say it is easy money is a mistake, because it cannot be an easy job. Sometimes it is, and if you screen your clients well it is not as hard as others, but doing it on demand? That will take it's toll, not to mention the stigma modern society puts on it.

I think the $60-100K would probably cover most of the SP's out there, although the 80/20 rule makes me think that may not be the case.
 
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