I wonder if you've ever done the accounting for how much you've paid in taxes vs. how much in public services you've used.
How about the amount of money their parents have?
Homeless/junkie solution?
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Modern medicine and the social welfare net in the First World has led to entire generations of people that could barely cope with basic living, to not only survive but procreate en masse. We're several generations deep of welfare bums having dozens of kids living off the government dole.
It's no wonder that the number of mentally ill and homeless populations are skyrocketing.
What did you think was going to happen to all those kids born to lazy drunken addicts that you looked down on when you were in school? Remember them dropping out of school because they couldn't learn basic reading and math, and getting pregnant at 15?
Once again, the the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
It's no wonder that the number of mentally ill and homeless populations are skyrocketing.
What did you think was going to happen to all those kids born to lazy drunken addicts that you looked down on when you were in school? Remember them dropping out of school because they couldn't learn basic reading and math, and getting pregnant at 15?
Once again, the the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
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Not that I'd expect a government to implement it well but I back the idea. Collapse all social services into one organization would save huge amounts and anyone making enough would just have it taxed back. Done right it would be a libertarian dream where everyone starts with an equal playing field then has the freedom to choose how to deal with it.
Maybe when I retire I'll do an economics paper but my sense is the current financial hardship and inflation are artificial, started by covid lockdowns then jumped upon by corporations as an excuse to raise prices. Sadly many of those industries are too essential for people to simply boycott so the only thing that could address it is government action (and not just raising rates trying to solve current inflation as if it were a different era's recession.
The 8 Worst Slums Of Victorian London - London Walks
Where poverty and disease are rife and where infant mortality is shockingly high. Welcome to the slums of Victorian London in 19th century Britain.
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Could also discuss some of the massive slums around the world where there isn't that social net. Seems that poor people know how to fuck too.
I take ranking of cities with a grain of salt. Sometimes I get the impression they are done by the tourist board in those cities. Here they have San Franc ranked 14th. Here's what San Fran residents say.
'Our City's a Sh**hole': 40% of San Francisco Residents Say They Want Out – PJ Media
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'Our City's a Sh**hole': 40% of San Francisco Residents Say They Want Out – PJ Media
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Our Government has created a permanent solution
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One third of Canadians fine with prescribing assisted suicide for homelessness
Roughly the same number told a poll they were fine with approving MAID for someone whose only affliction was poverty
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I`ve always chosen personal responsibility and accountability, nobody`s fault but mine approach. I don`t share your pov that a government that deals with low life criminals, drug dealers and murderers as being repressive.
Obviously haven’t read the studies where it has been tried. Including Manitoba years ago. Maybe your not old enough to remember but you can Google stuff…
As stated, personally not sold. But the logic has merit.
A frank appraisal by this poster (quote below). Doubt any of us like the status quo but unlikely any of us have a magical solution. Some members advocate giving more money to the affected, but why do we think that the affected will spend that money wisely?
"This homeless and drug problem really troubles me. Not just that I think it is a blight on society and our city and neighbourhoods. I also have empathy for the human suffering of the homeless and addicted, those with mental health issues etc. And their families. So I have given a lot of thought to possible solutions or mitigation over many years. Despite being otherwise succesful idea man, this is one problem that I really have been unable to come up with even a remotely viable and sustainable solution for.
Ignoring it, deliberately is the only solution that I have been able to come up with to deal with my being bothered by it. Ignoring it is different than denying it."
"This homeless and drug problem really troubles me. Not just that I think it is a blight on society and our city and neighbourhoods. I also have empathy for the human suffering of the homeless and addicted, those with mental health issues etc. And their families. So I have given a lot of thought to possible solutions or mitigation over many years. Despite being otherwise succesful idea man, this is one problem that I really have been unable to come up with even a remotely viable and sustainable solution for.
Ignoring it, deliberately is the only solution that I have been able to come up with to deal with my being bothered by it. Ignoring it is different than denying it."
One reason why I wish I could find San Fran/GTA comparisons from some weeks ago. It’s not pretty.
And I get the impression some think it just happens overnight. Instead of looking 20-30 years down the road.
And incase anyone is interested in broadening their minds a bit.
Again, not personally sold but.
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Drives me a little batty sometimes when in this digital age. So much information is available.
Also, when Alberta really went in the shitter some years ago. What researchers found was exactly what I described. Low income earner spend all their money. And they spend it inside their community and with the same demographic. They don’t go to Starbucks for $7.00 mocha lattes. They go to mom/pop greasy spoons.
There is merit to it. I guess you might need a basic understanding of economics and local economies.
Again, not personally sold but.
Manitoba’s Mincome experiment | CMHR
A landmark study performed in Manitoba in the 1970s showed that guaranteed annual income could improve the lives of people in poverty.
Drives me a little batty sometimes when in this digital age. So much information is available.
Also, when Alberta really went in the shitter some years ago. What researchers found was exactly what I described. Low income earner spend all their money. And they spend it inside their community and with the same demographic. They don’t go to Starbucks for $7.00 mocha lattes. They go to mom/pop greasy spoons.
There is merit to it. I guess you might need a basic understanding of economics and local economies.
The first time I visited San Francisco, 1980, there was a small amount of homeless living in several park areas, very close to the hotel I was in at Fisherman`s wharf. I was there twice more in the following 20 years and there were far more than previous visits. What was more interesting was the amount of prototype Charlie Manson looking dudes wandering around LA and Tucson I saw in 1980 as well. I`d expect it is a total shitshow currently.
Kumbaya! Rise up, Rise up Olivia. There`s one big problem out of the way, now... onto more bike lanes.Our Government has created a permanent solution
One third of Canadians fine with prescribing assisted suicide for homelessness
Roughly the same number told a poll they were fine with approving MAID for someone whose only affliction was poverty
