Nope. UBI is just a fancy way of saying welfare. Money has to come from somewhere. And who determines what amount UBI would be? Would it be the same in Toronto and in Dryden? Why or why not?
Homeless/junkie solution?
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The problem really started in the 1930's and accelerated in the 1960's with the Democrat's "War on Poverty" which destroyed the family unit and rewarded people to have more kids than they could support.
The War on Poverty: 50 years of failure | The Heritage Foundation
The War on Poverty: 50 years of failure | The Heritage Foundation
This I need to say that I now agree with you. I lost like 4 or 5 employees during early pandemic because they wanted to stay home and collect CERB. I hired a dozen employee from the Philippines who are now still with us. They cost us in a month what a one week salary would be here. And they are good.
I wish the pandemic never happened but they are a few things we will learn from it.
- if you can do your job at home it can be done from anywhere. Which includes countries where salary are 1/10th of what is needed here to make a living
- city downtown will need to convert many many commercial buildings to residential to survive
- inequalities will destroy great nation like America
I'll ask again since you are the one making this claim. Who do you consider essential workers? It's a pretty simple question.
UBI is cheaper than welfare and the social services/health care costs for the poor.
CERB and UBI don't even pay the rent in toronto but they could support rooming houses, which are just being allowed back. That would keep homeless off the streets and save the country money.
The 30% benchmark for affordable housing is tough. Here’s what it can afford the average worker in different parts of the GTA
As of June, the average one-bedroom rental costs about $2,200 across Ontario and more than $2,500 in Toronto.
I'll reply again:
This was a DoFo definition, check his statements.
Ontario Newsroom
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Who is bringing in the drugs and guns Into the country ? It is not the junkies and low level street thugs and gangs.
There is high level corruption from the top right now which trickles down to the lowest levels of society.
The solution is not to build and house, feed, supply with controlled substances, clean needles, decriminalize possession of the controlled substances which opens up several rabbit holes, perpetual black holes with junkies relocated to Toronto the good from all over the province and country for perpetual coddling. Toronto is well on it’s way to becoming a major shelter for substances abusers. Enabling bad behaviour just compounds the problem. NIMBYism is now an oxymoron as the problems are ubiquitous.
The “safe supply” of controlled substances given to the addicts is being given to the drug dealers to be sold back on the streets.
Drug addicts should not be exempt the criminal code due to their addiction.
The tax payer is held in contempt by perhaps well meaning but idiotic and bizarre actions of elected politicians.
There is high level corruption from the top right now which trickles down to the lowest levels of society.
The solution is not to build and house, feed, supply with controlled substances, clean needles, decriminalize possession of the controlled substances which opens up several rabbit holes, perpetual black holes with junkies relocated to Toronto the good from all over the province and country for perpetual coddling. Toronto is well on it’s way to becoming a major shelter for substances abusers. Enabling bad behaviour just compounds the problem. NIMBYism is now an oxymoron as the problems are ubiquitous.
The “safe supply” of controlled substances given to the addicts is being given to the drug dealers to be sold back on the streets.
Drug addicts should not be exempt the criminal code due to their addiction.
The tax payer is held in contempt by perhaps well meaning but idiotic and bizarre actions of elected politicians.
Okay, so you mean nurses when you say "The pay for 'essential workers' isn't enough to afford housing and food in the GTA."I'll reply again:
This was a DoFo definition, check his statements.
Ontario Newsroom
Registered nurses in Ontario earn an average of $111,700 per year (or $53.70 per hour). That's not enough to afford housing and food in the GTA?
Socialism is fucking awesome until you run out of other peoples money.
Of course you ignore grocery store workers and everyone in the food industry along with big box retailers that DoFo also included.
Not very honest of you, was it?
There is no socialism in america dude. That's why there is so much homeless.
Sorry, I didn't read the whole thing. But is he wrong to thank all hard working employees in Ontario during ther pandemic? It's actually been a long time since anyone's been able to afford to eat and live by themselves in Toronto, earning minimum wage. This isn't a problem that's been created by Ford in the last 5 years.
Average rent for a 1 bedroom is $2200 in T.O. right now.
Can you afford that on minimum wage?
DoFo sets the minimum wage, by the way.
Think this might also be related?
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You're obviously not a 1%er. Those of us who are have gates to prevent them, and people like you, from entering our neighbourhoods. In fact, I think you are ruining my cities. I wish you would stop ruining civilization and just die, like you want the homeless to
Except wages ( not just for the lower quintiles) adjusted for inflation have been stagnant for decades……
You sound like someone that’s fairly right of center. No problem with that. On some issues I am too.
Correct me if I’m wrong.
you also strike me as the type that would go ballistic if asked to pay more taxes…yes? Do you know why, in part, our justice system is in part a revolving door? No?
It’s because there is no bed space. The longer any of them stay. The longer a bed is occupied. the faster out. The faster a space is made available. The more you want to lock up, the more beds you will also need. It’s called turnover.
How much has Ontarios population grown in the past 20years? You think out penal system has kept pace? So the question is. You at the front of the line to pay?
Not sure, been a long time since I looked but think..then..it cost us $75,000/year/inmate. and that’s without building a bunch of new facilities to accomplish what you want…
Also it's not just about skills and performance. You think people who are born in the ghetto whose family's only objective is basic survival is going to fare as well as someone born in a rich family where they have all the opportunities in the world open to them? How can someone earning low incomes 'change' when they fear getting evicted or feeding their kids if they miss work for a day for whatever reason? If all you know and all you're focused on on a daily basis is just to survive, what left is there for you to try to change things? And then this is all your kids will ever know unless somehow they manage to claw their way out of that cycle against all odds. People who blame people for having low income because of a lack of skill or will to get out of their situation speaks volume of their privilege in life and not understanding what things are really like.
