Homeless/junkie solution?

[dognutz]

They need a wake up call and have to choose between life or death. The junkies always have beer to drink, meth, junk food, Tim Hortons. It has to end somehow.

Barrie tried something positive giving tickets out to people who gave money to junkies and the idiot residents were up in arms. There needs to be consequences for poor choices.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

They need a wake up call and have to choose between life or death.

Having seen the state of most of them, I think they are way past the point of a stern "pick yourself up by yer bootstraps" pep talk. Given enough time on the scrap heap, most people are broken beyond repair.

 

[dognutz]

Having seen the state of most of them, I think they are way past the point of a stern "pick yourself up by yer bootstraps" pep talk. Given enough time on the scrap heap, most people are broken beyond repair.

Well they gotta go somewhere cuz we need our cities back.

 

[lomotil]

Singapore has very regressive laws. They are not a model we should ever emulate. Caning, death penalty for a wide range of crimes etc are just inhumane and unnecessarily cruel. Infact their laws are a bit uncivilized.

The streets of Singapore look more civilized than Portland, San Francisco , Vancouver and even Toronto. Now why is that ?

 

[Spunky1]

They need a wake up call and have to choose between life or death. The junkies always have beer to drink, meth, junk food, Tim Hortons. It has to end somehow.

One OD’s and 2 more come and take their place on the park bench . I don’t know anything about London , lots of druggies there?

 

[Robert Mugabe]

1. Fear. Which is regressive.
2. Small city state with a large immigrant high earning potential population, unlike Toronto, Vancouver and San Francisco that are big cities in vast nations with millions of people. The challenges and circumstances are not comparable.

Under President Kew Singapore adopted boot camps for drug addicts. I year of basically army camp. I don't know what the recidivism rate was but it was a tough love approach.
I think most of the homeless we have here are past the stage of recovery. Maybe some can come to grips with their own reality, but how much use they are to society is probably a lost battle. Christ knows what kind of upbringing most of them had. Probably not their fault. What to do with the at least millions of lost souls is to put it mildly, a bit of a problem. But it seems that the powers that be have chosen to do nothing. Just watch it from a distance. And move away.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Some of them have gotten to the point from being well off. I recently saw pornstar Jenni Lee who now lives underground in the Las Vegas tunnels. Very sad.

LOL. good example. What could have gone wrong?

 

[lomotil]

It's gotten to the point they are ruining entire cities. The snowflakes think they can save everyone. They need to only give 1 drug related medical call per person per year. Ban the use of naloxone. How can we let them ruin civilization? Give help to the 15% that actually need it.

I know london ontario is a mess. I know many cities are now.

I would propose a three year pilot project.

1. Death by firing squad for drug dealers of controlled substances.
2. A three year incarceration for those found in possession of controlled substances with mandatory substance abuse therapy,
3. Increased public and international shaming of China and Mexico for supply and peddling fentanyl components.

Who is facilitating, enabling and profiting from the smuggling of cocaine and opiates and illegal firearms into Canada and delivering to the streets ?

 

[Darts]

Singapore is almost always ranked in the top ten cities in the world in every survey I have ever seen. (Of course, drug dealers will disagree.)
Singapore named world's 7th best city, Bangkok only other SEA city in top 100 - Life (mashable.com)

Edit: This is weird, this survey has Singapore at 44th. However, it has Montreal at 9th.
53 Best Cities in the World to Visit in 2022 (timeout.com)

 

[wigglee]

Legalize all drugs and let 'em die if they are that stupid. We can't be expected to give free housing and free heroine to lazy losers.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

There isnt a solution (at least not a solution implemented by government).
The only person who can get themselves out of their drug hell is the junkie himself.
Nobody can do it for them. They need to hit rock bottom first.

I used to have no sympathy for junkies, but after watching that TV show Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew I now have more compassion for them.
Once you get on the hard drugs its very difficult to get off that stuff

 

[Not getting younger]

Under President Kew Singapore adopted boot camps for drug addicts. I year of basically army camp. I don't know what the recidivism rate was but it was a tough love approach.
I think most of the homeless we have here are past the stage of recovery. Maybe some can come to grips with their own reality, but how much use they are to society is probably a lost battle. Christ knows what kind of upbringing most of them had. Probably not their fault. What to do with the at least millions of lost souls is to put it mildly, a bit of a problem. But it seems that the powers that be have chosen to do nothing. Just watch it from a distance. And move away.

Way over simplified this.
how many of them have purpose, something to live for, hope, etc etc.

Look around the US and Canada today…..
Yes we need to get “tough on crime”. But the problems run far deeper.

I mean shit. What were the riots in Toront about during the G7…Since then….

those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This time it won’t be with pitch forks and firebrands. /points south.

 

[bazokajoe]

i dont have dog in this fight...............however i always question or challenge certain statements.........like for instance yours......."a vast majority are happy being beggars drunks addicts and homeless'...was a survey done to support this...did you wander around town asking these people..or did did you simply pull this out your ass to reinforce your attitude about them

Just look at the evidence when they clear out camps in city parks, very very few take the offer to go to shelters or temporary housing. If they don't like being homeess, why aren't they taking advantage of the services offered instead of panhandling on the street?
Can't better yourself on living on the street.

 

[whynot888]

Has to start with the suppliers/distributers. Our leaders are too chicken shit to implement tougher laws because of backlash.

 

[ogibowt]

Just look at the evidence when they clear out camps in city parks, very very few take the offer to go to shelters or temporary housing. If they don't like being homeess, why aren't they taking advantage of the services offered instead of panhandling on the street?
Can't better yourself on living on the street.

who is to say why they choose encampments over shelters its a choice that many of them make...but i no way that is a measure of their happiness level

 

[ogibowt]

They need a wake up call and have to choose between life or death. The junkies always have beer to drink, meth, junk food, Tim Hortons. It has to end somehow.

Barrie tried something positive giving tickets out to people who gave money to junkies and the idiot residents were up in arms. There needs to be consequences for poor choices.

get a fuckin grip.....fining people for providing $ or food and drink is truly regressive.....its like at a zoo..dont feed the animals..........your solution it seems to be ..let them die...o the humanity

 

[GameBoy27]

Naloxone...
Hope you know that people who just get it ( Fentanyl) on their skin need it sometimes.. you know like nurses, cops, etc. and so on…

I need to correct you on that one.

No, that is a common myth. Fentanyl cannot be readily absorbed through the skin, nor can you overdose on fentanyl by touching a doorknob or dollar bill.


What we used to do is put people who had severe drug and mental issues into treatment programs. It was determined that this practice went against an individual's rights. So now what we have is all the homeless, drug addicts and people with mental problems roaming the streets. We provide "safe injection" sites that makes it easier for the drug dealers to target their customers. We let them set up tents and take over our parks. We let them wander the streets like zombies. Is that actually better than the way we used to do things? Our policies now, clearly aren't working.

When people talk of "affordable housing" to get people off the streets, what they really mean is "free housing." And who is going to pay for that? The unfortunate part, is these people are so messed up that even if you give them a free place to stay, it usually gets destroyed along with the area around it in no time. Just look at what happened to the two hotels the city took over to house the homeless. One at Mt. Pleasant and Eglinton and the other on the Esplanade. It was a disaster in and around both locations. People who lived in the area, ones who pay lots in taxes and other fees have had enough of the violence, human excrement, discarded needles, ear-piercing chaos, and general debauchery that ensued in those neighbourhoods.

 

[bazokajoe]

who is to say why they choose encampments over shelters its a choice that many of them make...but i no way that is a measure of their happiness level

who mentioned anything about their happiness level?

 

[Frankfooter]

tax or stealing from other to give their money to people who did not earn it.

most people are rich or poor because of the choices they make in life. the choices of the parents reflect in their children. its a cycle which if people choose to, can break. it may require difficult decisions which most people do not want to make.

other peoples bad choices in life should not be the responsibility of others.

there never will be income equality. there will always be people who are at the top 10% and trickle down. so many factors the effect how a person will preform and earn income. not every person will be a similar level and therefore not be able to have the same achievements.

Its the other way around, billionaires are stealing our money through controlling how much people are paid, how much they have to pay for food/lodging and how much housing costs.
They can buy supreme court judges and politicians like DoFo to change the rules of the game to their favour.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1675262192654991361

 

[richaceg]

Tax the rich, subsidize housing, add more social services and health care.
Its not rocket science.

Gap between Canada’s rich and poor increasing at record speed, new StatCan data shows

The wealthiest 20% of households controlled nearly 68% of the total net worth in Canada in the first quarter of 2023, while the least wealthy 40% accounted for 2.7%.

www.thestar.com

It seems like rocket science to you....it's not as easy as that...you neglect to see how almost 8 years of Trudeau has done to Canada....yeah...I wouldn't blame it all on him alone...the Premiers have as much to blame for it...including Dofo....they didn't do shit about th is problem....You keep throwing around "tax" like...how much tax increase are we gonna have?