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Hobbying in the USA - Is it safe?

tedhe

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Hey Terbites,

I am wondering if anybody has insight into the world of hobbying in the USA (particularly in NYC)? Iv only meet ladies in Canada and have never had any issues financially or legally.

I often hear about ladies being barred from going to/coming from the USA - is that a risk for clients?

Essentially, how safe is it to hobby in the USA vs Canada from a 'legal' perspective? Any tips on how to book/travel safely?

Thanks!
 

massman

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I have always avoided. In Canada it is now illegal to purchase, but LE largely turns a blind eye, and as long as you choose wisely, you run little to no chance of legal issues. As far as I can tell, this is not the case in the US in most places. In an unfamiliar environment you are probably more susceptible to stings, and the consequences on even a charge (where you will probably be barred from entry for a long time) let alone a conviction could be massive.
Tho maybe I just worry too much. 🤷‍♂️
 

tedhe

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You have to choose reputable providers. I have hobbied a lot in the US, and with reputable providers, it is safe. Make sure you research Twitter, Tryst, TER etc and make sure they are real.
Do you travel from Canada to hobby in the US?

My biggest concern is booking a lady in the US and running into issues at the border.

I am seeking to see a lady that is highly reputable so I doubt the risk of a sting is real, that being said I am still worried about other risks (LE, Border Agents asking questions, how to send deposits safely, etc)
 

tedhe

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I have always avoided. In Canada it is now illegal to purchase, but LE largely turns a blind eye, and as long as you choose wisely, you run little to no chance of legal issues. As far as I can tell, this is not the case in the US in most places. In an unfamiliar environment you are probably more susceptible to stings, and the consequences on even a charge (where you will probably be barred from entry for a long time) let alone a conviction could be massive.
Tho maybe I just worry too much. 🤷‍♂️
I share some of these worries. Hobbying in Canada has just been more comfortable in terms of experiences
 

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We have a lot of discussions of this in the international section of Terb, so I will try to summarize them for you.

There are a lot of busts and arrests in the U.S., so many Terb members use their experiences with Canadian lifestyle, where everyone is treated equally, and try to apply that to the United States. They assume there are an either a lot of random busts, or that most everyone participating in the activity is busted. Neither is correct, although most of them do not want to spend the time and effort learning about the U.S., a land many (including the Americans frequenting this board) secretly hate - with good reason.

Short answer. If you book an independent escort, or through an agency that operates in a “hobby-friendly” city or state, you go through the screening required by the escort or the agency, and you pay the market price, which is generally at least twice as much as what you pay in Canada, you have no law enforcement concerns.

If she has a website and is reviewed on TER or ECCIE you are fine. She is not a cop and the cops are not interested in pursuing her. Even if they do (which they won’t) your name in her contact list means absolutely nothing.

In theory, outcall is safer than incall, especially incall used by multiple ladies, but that is irrelevant in a hobby-friendly place, which includes all large cities in the northeast, Chicago, Las Vegas, all of California, Miami / Ft. Lauderdale, New Orleans, Denver, and many others. But this isn’t easy to stereotype. Miami is hobby-friendly and Orlando is hobby-Gestapo.

Clear your phone of obvious hobby-related texts and messages when going through the border of a country other than your home country.

Basically U.S. busts are geared at the lower-end of the scene. Many fake ads are taken out by law enforcement on “Backpage” type websites. Currently, law enforcement is doing this on skipthegames. Simple solution. Don’t go shopping on skipthegames. Law enforcement hates Asian massage parlors where they think trafficked ladies work and live there. Simple solution. Don’t go to Asian massage parlors. One more bit of advice. Don’t use the popular website usasexguide to find ladies. It is a lower-end site that features women who don’t screen and often use drugs and get arrested for various offenses. You don’t want to be around that scene. The cops focus on it to make arrests of those ladies, and sometimes their customers are around when it happens and get caught up in it.

Basically the “TER“ guys and the upper-end sex workers reviewed there live a peaceful life with no arrests or drama. The. “Usasexguide” guys and the lower-end hookers on that site have the opposite experience.

You can see the prices a person needs to pay in each locality, and what screening information is necessary, to live a trouble-free hobbying life in the U.S. It isn’t cheap. That can be $500 - $700 an hour in NYC, LA, and Vegas, but a little less expensive in Chicago which is more tolerant of local agencies.

Those are general guidelines. You have to apply some common sense, though. There was a recent bust by the federal government of an Asian agency that operated in multiple cities, which gave the Feds jurisdiction. It was offering BBFS by Asian ladies who spoke little or no English, even though it screened customers. The Feds disapproved and did a bust. So try to avoid such a situation, but couldn’t everyone see that one coming?

It certainly isn’t for everyone. But if you realize that the activity is tolerated in most Large cities in open-minded states under specified circumstances (high prices and screening), you are fine.
 

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When I go to the US, then I reach out. But I have never booked from here. Regardless, when you travel, you want to delete all your twitter, terb, email accounts, texts etc from your phone. And also clear the trash folders. Mostly though, since we are not sex workers, we are not really in danger when we cross the border.
The thing to remember is the following:

More risk involved in the U.S. due to the reasons mentioned above by Patron for the low end, which here wouldn't be low end it would just be average selection, say 160-200$ CDN for HH.

The exchange rate is always bad for Canadians, therefore to have a an enjoyable, hassle free, drama free time, you need to pay more to compensate this risk, essentially for the same service.
Strip clubs that offer extras maybe 200-300 USD, escorts 400+ is think is safe area, but this is strictly to avoid LE.The cops in US have nothing better to do than arrest Johns who want to get their pee pee wet, so this is what they spend time on chasing...and dunkin donuts.

Dont understimate border crossing. If you land one (usually a woman) that wants to make your life diffculty, they might search phone and well the rest you can use your imagination as to where this will lead. Laws are only enforced if they are bored or dont like you or have quotas, to justify their bigger budgets.
 

tedhe

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We have a lot of discussions of this in the international section of Terb, so I will try to summarize them for you.

There are a lot of busts and arrests in the U.S., so many Terb members use their experiences with Canadian lifestyle, where everyone is treated equally, and try to apply that to the United States. They assume there are an either a lot of random busts, or that most everyone participating in the activity is busted. Neither is correct, although most of them do not want to spend the time and effort learning about the U.S., a land many (including the Americans frequenting this board) secretly hate - with good reason.

Short answer. If you book an independent escort, or through an agency that operates in a “hobby-friendly” city or state, you go through the screening required by the escort or the agency, and you pay the market price, which is generally at least twice as much as what you pay in Canada, you have no law enforcement concerns.

If she has a website and is reviewed on TER or ECCIE you are fine. She is not a cop and the cops are not interested in pursuing her. Even if they do (which they won’t) your name in her contact list means absolutely nothing.

In theory, outcall is safer than incall, especially incall used by multiple ladies, but that is irrelevant in a hobby-friendly place, which includes all large cities in the northeast, Chicago, Las Vegas, all of California, Miami / Ft. Lauderdale, New Orleans, Denver, and many others. But this isn’t easy to stereotype. Miami is hobby-friendly and Orlando is hobby-Gestapo.

Clear your phone of obvious hobby-related texts and messages when going through the border of a country other than your home country.

Basically U.S. busts are geared at the lower-end of the scene. Many fake ads are taken out by law enforcement on “Backpage” type websites. Currently, law enforcement is doing this on skipthegames. Simple solution. Don’t go shopping on skipthegames. Law enforcement hates Asian massage parlors where they think trafficked ladies work and live there. Simple solution. Don’t go to Asian massage parlors. One more bit of advice. Don’t use the popular website usasexguide to find ladies. It is a lower-end site that features women who don’t screen and often use drugs and get arrested for various offenses. You don’t want to be around that scene. The cops focus on it to make arrests of those ladies, and sometimes their customers are around when it happens and get caught up in it.

Basically the “TER“ guys and the upper-end sex workers reviewed there live a peaceful life with no arrests or drama. The. “Usasexguide” guys and the lower-end hookers on that site have the opposite experience.

You can see the prices a person needs to pay in each locality, and what screening information is necessary, to live a trouble-free hobbying life in the U.S. It isn’t cheap. That can be $500 - $700 an hour in NYC, LA, and Vegas, but a little less expensive in Chicago which is more tolerant of local agencies.

Those are general guidelines. You have to apply some common sense, though. There was a recent bust by the federal government of an Asian agency that operated in multiple cities, which gave the Feds jurisdiction. It was offering BBFS by Asian ladies who spoke little or no English, even though it screened customers. The Feds disapproved and did a bust. So try to avoid such a situation, but couldn’t everyone see that one coming?

It certainly isn’t for everyone. But if you realize that the activity is tolerated in most Large cities in open-minded states under specified circumstances (high prices and screening), you are fine.

You must be a scholar (or a lawyer), as that was a beautifully written summary and answered much.

Thank you.
 
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tedhe

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When I go to the US, then I reach out. But I have never booked from here. Regardless, when you travel, you want to delete all your twitter, terb, email accounts, texts etc from your phone. And also clear the trash folders. Mostly though, since we are not sex workers, we are not really in danger when we cross the border.
Noted on the phone side, that makes sense.

How come you never booked from the Canadian side?
 

tedhe

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Dont understimate border crossing. If you land one (usually a woman) that wants to make your life diffculty, they might search phone and well the rest you can use your imagination as to where this will lead. Laws are only enforced if they are bored or dont like you or have quotas, to justify their bigger budgets.
This is exactly my fear. Border crossing (either me flying or doing a FMTY) resulting in this type of conflict
 

tedhe

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Would traveling with a burner phone make more sense?

Keep my real phone off, in my bag, while traveling?
 

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Would traveling with a burner phone make more sense?

Keep my real phone off, in my bag, while traveling?
They can search bags and will be suspicious why you are using a burner phone.
 
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and don't visit rub and tug massage parlors in Florida, unless you owns the New England Patriots


https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/...deo-of-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-destroyed/
Back in the landline days, most hotels in Orlando simply blocked the numbers of escort agencies.

When a person dialed, it didn’t go through.

A lady who wrote for Reason magazine revealed this.

Anyone who follows this industry knows that Orlando and Tampa hate sex work.

So here you have a rich, successful guy who frequents the most easily observable sex work venue in the area. Walks through the door in broad daylight. Instead of getting a Sugar Baby (or having an assistant do it for him).

A guy who spent hours analyzing every aspect of football and player performance and player pay.

What gives? He couldn’t spend a few hours on the internet and learn how things work in that part of Florida.

While I am leary about massage parlors, and simply like escorts better, I have gone to Miami massage parlors a few times before finding a regular Miami escort when I travel there. He could have gotten the same (actually better service but the age of his penis limited what service he really wanted) from a much hotter lady by having his friend drive him a bit farther to a safer area like Miami.
 

tedhe

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Back in the landline days, most hotels in Orlando simply blocked the numbers of escort agencies.

When a person dialed, it didn’t go through.

A lady who wrote for Reason magazine revealed this.

Anyone who follows this industry knows that Orlando and Tampa hate sex work.

So here you have a rich, successful guy who frequents the most easily observable sex work venue in the area. Walks through the door in broad daylight. Instead of getting a Sugar Baby (or having an assistant do it for him).

A guy who spent hours analyzing every aspect of football and player performance and player pay.

What gives? He couldn’t spend a few hours on the internet and learn how things work in that part of Florida.

While I am leary about massage parlors, and simply like escorts better, I have gone to Miami massage parlors a few times before finding a regular Miami escort when I travel there. He could have gotten the same (actually better service but the age of his penis limited what service he really wanted) from a much hotter lady by having his friend drive him a bit farther to a safer area like Miami.
Do you book ladies in advance? While in Canada?

If so, how do you prefer to pay deposits? Assuming you take the 'safest' route
 

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Do you book ladies in advance? While in Canada?

If so, how do you prefer to pay deposits? Assuming you take the 'safest' route
I am an American. I get to Canada from time to time, and I freely admit that Canada is better.

Most of the American ladies I have seen accept Cash App or a tip on Onlyfans (but it is important to not mention her escort persona if she does Onlyfans).

Realistically, with all the hassles in the U.S., you repeat a lot, or ask her about seeing some of her friends.
 
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tedhe

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Guys, what would the 'safest' way to send a deposit from Canada to a US provider? Crypto?

Assuming an extended date is to be had, I do not want to carry too much USD over the border on a short trip (for obvious reasons)

Thanks!
 

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Guys, what would the 'safest' way to send a deposit from Canada to a US provider? Crypto?

Assuming an extended date is to be had, I do not want to carry too much USD over the border on a short trip (for obvious reasons)

Thanks!
Hobbying in the US, and a deposit and crypto? You enjoy living dangerously, don't you?
 
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