Hobbying in the USA - Is it safe?

[csmitting]

I tried once in Florida about 15 yrs ago (damn time fly’s). I wouldn’t do it again. Just not worth the effort tbh.

Found a reputable independent had some correspondence, but wouldn’t you know it, she wasn’t available until the next night. Little brain then took over and said fuck it, time to hit BP.

After some browsing, picked one that I thought would be legit, I had to call no text. Make the call, black guy answers, (not a great start) chatted with him, he turned out to be really chill booked an out call. Few minutes later, a lady calls to confirm, and shortly thereafter she arrives at my door and she makes the text to her booker/driver saying everything is cool. She was nice, pretty blond in her 20s, big booty.

She was nervous AF that I might be LE (to be fair I look like I could be a cop) and she was carefully choosing her words clearly avoiding saying anything that could get her busted. This made me nervous, as I started thinking she was trying to goad me into saying something incriminating. After about 2 mins of nervous talk, i said I would like to fuck which broke the ice, and she asked me to get naked to show her I wasn’t LE. Alright, as I was in a hotel room alone in Florida, off came the T-shirt and boxers that I was wearing. she took a sigh of relief, our objectives were inline, and both her & I relaxed and things got normal (normalish). She set a timer on her phone, and we started to chat a bit (more on that below) and then she popped an oxy. Ok when in Rome, we start the usual BJ, (you know we really need a better word for manually stimulating a pussy, lady HJ ) nude reverse got her to squirt which is always fun, onto doggie for the main event. She had a really nice big ass. We went a little over time as her alarm went, but she was cool, I was close and when I asked her if she wanted to stop she said no (one of my better performances ). She then retreated to the washroom to clean up and was on her way. As she was leaving, she hit me up for a tip, which I found off putting, as she chose to ask for more money, rather than ask for repeat business, but otherwise, great time was had by all.

Things I learned from chatting:
Calling no text: this is to screen for homeboys, apparently calling brings out yoyoyo you got bitches, in a way texting doesn’t.

You need to have condoms, ladies will only have one condom, cause if a women gets stopped and she has more than one condom, she can get busted for prostitution, America has its quirks.

 

[lundunguy]

I am an American. I get to Canada from time to time, and I freely admit that Canada is better.

Most of the American ladies I have seen accept Cash App or a tip on Onlyfans (but it is important to not mention her escort persona if she does Onlyfans).

Realistically, with all the hassles in the U.S., you repeat a lot, or ask her about seeing some of her friends.

What do you say at the border crossing? I get nervous when I have to lie.

 

[Patron]

What do you say at the border crossing? I get nervous when I have to lie.

I just say I am going for tourism. The last trip I made to Toronto, I truthfully said I was going to see Niagara Falls. The honest truth is that you will do a lot more in Canada than fuck girls, so just make a list of those other things you are going to do.

The worst thing you can do is say you are traveling for business when you are not. One of their primary areas of focus is to find unregistered businesses who they believe they can tax. The times I was traveling to Canada for business, I got grilled.

I am not sure that voluntarily giving a lot of information beyond tourism is really even a good idea. I got to know one Montreal escort well enough that she gave me her real name and phone number. I confidently mentioned once that I was going to visit a friend (her), and I got sent from the fast lane to a longer lane (but not secondary screening) and the guy in the longer check-in lane asked me what my friend’s name is, and how I met her. I think the lady in the “fast” lane texted information to the agent in the longer lane.

I have has the least hassles entering Canada just saying I am taking a quick vacation. They usually don’t ask any questions beyond that. If they note it is a short trip, I thuthfully (usually) say I had a free night (or two) hotel reward certificate that I wanted to use. Or I am busy with work and could only take a couple of days off. Most everyone in the line from the U.S. is going on vacation, and few are there to engage in commercial sex. So it isn’t exactly a strange response.

Single guys need vacations too. It is of course beneficial to do the obvious and delete text conversations with escorts and escort agencies. Just write the numbers in a book or email. Use code if you need to. Change 5s to 3s. Don’t set your hobby email to do auto-password, or even auto user-name. Memorize your passwords. Whatsapp is a harder call. European escorts put their pictures on the profile. Strictly speaking, it shouldn’t be of interest to Canadian or U.S. customs that you have WhatsApp conversations with European escorts. But it is easy to transfer Whatsapp conversations to Archive and if you get a secondary inspection, it is really rare for anyone to go to archive. Of course clear your browsing history so that Terb, Merb and Perb don’t show up.

Customs agents in Canada are looking for drugs and uncollected tax revenue. After c-36, it would be ridiculous for an American to say he is entering Canada to see an escort. But strictly speaking, it isn’t illegal to hire an escort, only to purchase sex from the escort. So it is not clear that having something in your phone with a conversation with an escort would disqualify entry. Same with entry by a Canadian into the U.S., unless the entrant is herself an escort. The U.S. has a policy of denying entry to anyone reasonably believed to have sold sexual services in a commercial transaction in the preceding ten years, but that doesn’t really affect Johns.

Phone searches are relatively rare on either side, and most are cursory glances looking for drug deals. It is always good to be careful, without going too far into paranoia. People travel all the time for reasons other than sex.

 

[Patron]

I tried once in Florida about 15 yrs ago (damn time fly’s). I wouldn’t do it again. Just not worth the effort tbh.

Found a reputable independent had some correspondence, but wouldn’t you know it, she wasn’t available until the next night. Little brain then took over and said fuck it, time to hit BP.

After some browsing, picked one that I thought would be legit, I had to call no text. Make the call, black guy answers, (not a great start) chatted with him, he turned out to be really chill booked an out call. Few minutes later, a lady calls to confirm, and shortly thereafter she arrives at my door and she makes the text to her booker/driver saying everything is cool. She was nice, pretty blond in her 20s, big booty.

She was nervous AF that I might be LE (to be fair I look like I could be a cop) and she was carefully choosing her words clearly avoiding saying anything that could get her busted. This made me nervous, as I started thinking she was trying to goad me into saying something incriminating. After about 2 mins of nervous talk, i said I would like to fuck which broke the ice, and she asked me to get naked to show her I wasn’t LE. Alright, as I was in a hotel room alone in Florida, off came the T-shirt and boxers that I was wearing. she took a sigh of relief, our objectives were inline, and both her & I relaxed and things got normal (normalish). She set a timer on her phone, and we started to chat a bit (more on that below) and then she popped an oxy. Ok when in Rome, we start the usual BJ, (you know we really need a better word for manually stimulating a pussy, lady HJ ) nude reverse got her to squirt which is always fun, onto doggie for the main event. She had a really nice big ass. We went a little over time as her alarm went, but she was cool, I was close and when I asked her if she wanted to stop she said no (one of my better performances ). She then retreated to the washroom to clean up and was on her way. As she was leaving, she hit me up for a tip, which I found off putting, as she chose to ask for more money, rather than ask for repeat business, but otherwise, great time was had by all.

Things I learned from chatting:
Calling no text: this is to screen for homeboys, apparently calling brings out yoyoyo you got bitches, in a way texting doesn’t.

You need to have condoms, ladies will only have one condom, cause if a women gets stopped and she has more than one condom, she can get busted for prostitution, America has its quirks.

Your post is a perfect example of why we all should have avoided Backpage in the U.S. (which I assume was what you used since you mentioned BP) back in the day, and should avoid Skipthegames in the U.S. now.

The United States has a massive underclass. And god knows that underclass is disproportionately represented in the state of Florida.

If you try to get U.S. sex workers in the U.S. at Canadian prices, you are going to draw from the druggie underclass. Those girls don’t treat sex work as a profession. Hell they don’t even like sex. They just want money for their meth and oxy.

You have to go high-end in the U.S., which on a currency-adjusted basis is two to three times the rate for comparable looks and services in Canada. Obviously, that makes little sense for a Canadian local to be interested in.

 

[massman]

I just say I am going for tourism. The last trip I made to Toronto, I truthfully said I was going to see Niagara Falls. The honest truth is that you will do a lot more in Canada than fuck girls, so just make a list of those other things you are going to do.

The worst thing you can do is say you are traveling for business when you are not. One of their primary areas of focus is to find unregistered businesses who they believe they can tax. The times I was traveling to Canada for business, I got grilled.

I am not sure that voluntarily giving a lot of information beyond tourism is really even a good idea. I got to know one Montreal escort well enough that she gave me her real name and phone number. I confidently mentioned once that I was going to visit a friend (her), and I got sent from the fast lane to a longer lane (but not secondary screening) and the guy in the longer check-in lane asked me what my friend’s name is, and how I met her. I think the lady in the “fast” lane texted information to the agent in the longer lane.

I have has the least hassles entering Canada just saying I am taking a quick vacation. They usually don’t ask any questions beyond that. If they note it is a short trip, I thuthfully (usually) say I had a free night (or two) hotel reward certificate that I wanted to use. Or I am busy with work and could only take a couple of days off. Most everyone in the line from the U.S. is going on vacation, and few are there to engage in commercial sex. So it isn’t exactly a strange response.

Single guys need vacations too. It is of course beneficial to do the obvious and delete text conversations with escorts and escort agencies. Just write the numbers in a book or email. Use code if you need to. Change 5s to 3s. Don’t set your hobby email to do auto-password, or even auto user-name. Memorize your passwords. Whatsapp is a harder call. European escorts put their pictures on the profile. Strictly speaking, it shouldn’t be of interest to Canadian or U.S. customs that you have WhatsApp conversations with European escorts. But it is easy to transfer Whatsapp conversations to Archive and if you get a secondary inspection, it is really rare for anyone to go to archive. Of course clear your browsing history so that Terb, Merb and Perb don’t show up.

Customs agents in Canada are looking for drugs and uncollected tax revenue. After c-36, it would be ridiculous for an American to say he is entering Canada to see an escort. But strictly speaking, it isn’t illegal to hire an escort, only to purchase sex from the escort. So it is not clear that having something in your phone with a conversation with an escort would disqualify entry. Same with entry by a Canadian into the U.S., unless the entrant is herself an escort. The U.S. has a policy of denying entry to anyone reasonably believed to have sold sexual services in a commercial transaction in the preceding ten years, but that doesn’t really affect Johns.

Phone searches are relatively rare on either side, and most are cursory glances looking for drug deals. It is always good to be careful, without going too far into paranoia. People travel all the time for reasons other than sex.

Agree with most of what you said, except

“But strictly speaking, it isn’t illegal to hire an escort, only to purchase sex from the escort. So it is not clear that having something in your phone with a conversation with an escort would disqualify entry.”

Border agents, from what I understand, have very broad (maybe ultimate) discretion to deny a person entry. And I’m very sure that (in the unlikely event) if they discovered a conversation on your phone and concluded it was with an escort, that you claim you were hiring, “but not for sex”, they could deny you entry. And that would likely pose major issues for you entering in the future.

 

[Patron]

Agree with most of what you said, except

“But strictly speaking, it isn’t illegal to hire an escort, only to purchase sex from the escort. So it is not clear that having something in your phone with a conversation with an escort would disqualify entry.”

Border agents, from what I understand, have very broad (maybe ultimate) discretion to deny a person entry. And I’m very sure that (in the unlikely event) if they discovered a conversation on your phone and concluded it was with an escort, that you claim you were hiring, “but not for sex”, they could deny you entry. And that would likely pose major issues for you entering in the future.

You are correct. Zero Due Process rights at any border. They can deny a person entry for any reasonable reason, including suspicion. So it is wise to clear the phone of any mention of escorts going into or out of the U.S. or Canada. The amazing thing is that none of this shit occurs in Europe. They just say welcome.

 

[csmitting]

Your post is a perfect example of why we all should have avoided Backpage in the U.S. (which I assume was what you used since you mentioned BP) back in the day, and should avoid Skipthegames in the U.S. now.

The United States has a massive underclass. And god knows that underclass is disproportionately represented in the state of Florida.

If you try to get U.S. sex workers in the U.S. at Canadian prices, you are going to draw from the druggie underclass. Those girls don’t treat sex work as a profession. Hell they don’t even like sex. They just want money for their meth and oxy.

You have to go high-end in the U.S., which on a currency-adjusted basis is two to three times the rate for comparable looks and services in Canada. Obviously, that makes little sense for a Canadian local to be interested in.

It might have been skip the games, it was some yrs ago.

 

[csmitting]

Your post is a perfect example of why we all should have avoided Backpage in the U.S. (which I assume was what you used since you mentioned BP) back in the day, and should avoid Skipthegames in the U.S. now.

The United States has a massive underclass. And god knows that underclass is disproportionately represented in the state of Florida.

If you try to get U.S. sex workers in the U.S. at Canadian prices, you are going to draw from the druggie underclass. Those girls don’t treat sex work as a profession. Hell they don’t even like sex. They just want money for their meth and oxy.

You have to go high-end in the U.S., which on a currency-adjusted basis is two to three times the rate for comparable looks and services in Canada. Obviously, that makes little sense for a Canadian local to be interested in.

The lady was nice and on par with most of the ladies here in Ontario. She was just a bit more open with her drug use, but your being naive if you think the ladies here are a better underclass. We just (oh I’m gonna trigger a lot of people) have less blacks and (I’m really get in trouble for sure) native ladies in Canada, yikes.

Alright I’ll show myself out now.

 

[Patron]

The lady was nice and on par with most of the ladies here in Ontario. She was just a bit more open with her drug use, but your being naive if you think the ladies here are a better underclass. We just (oh I’m gonna trigger a lot of people) have less blacks and (I’m really get in trouble for sure) native ladies in Canada, yikes.

Alright I’ll show myself out now.

I am deeply offended. The U.S. White Trash, especially in Florida, can hold its own in depravity against any other race, color or creed.

If you don"t believe me, just watch Cops on Fox, which started in Florida.

But on that same note, you really don’t want to be in a hotel room in the U.S., especially in the more redneck parts of Florida (which means other than Miami / Ft. Lauderdale), where a lady overdoses on drugs and might very well have an illegal small handgun in per purse / carrying bag. There can be some ‘splaining to do as the mostly Spanish speakers like to say.

I have said it many times. Pay the very high prices for upper-end non-druggie ladies in the U.S., or don’t partake.

And for the geographically challenged, this map is actually quite accurate for mongering in the U.S.

The Map Of America As Seen By A New Yorker

New Yorkers have no sense of geography, which is fair, considering the world revolves around their city.

funnyordie.com

 

[csmitting]

I am deeply offended. The U.S. White Trash, especially in Florida, can hold its own in depravity against any other race, color or creed.

If you don"t believe me, just watch Cops on Fox, which started in Florida.

But on that same note, you really don’t want to be in a hotel room in the U.S., especially in the more redneck parts of Florida (which means other than Miami / Ft. Lauderdale), where a lady overdoses on drugs and might very well have an illegal small handgun in per purse / carrying bag. There can be some ‘splaining to do as the mostly Spanish speakers like to say.

I have said it many times. Pay the very high prices for upper-end non-druggie ladies in the U.S., or don’t partake.

And for the geographically challenged, this map is actually quite accurate for mongering in the U.S.

The Map Of America As Seen By A New Yorker

New Yorkers have no sense of geography, which is fair, considering the world revolves around their city.

funnyordie.com

Like I said, you are being naive if you think Canada doesn’t have trash underclass.