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Smallcock said:
They haven't finished counting votes. Trump has already broken the republican record and that margin could increase by several million. ....
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And still got less votes than Hillary.

As I said she lost the electoral race. If you want to brag about that then go ahead. Celebrating his popular vote count while ignoring that Hillary got more votes is laughable.
 
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italianguy74 said:
No thats totally irrelevant to voter fraud and immigration laws. Besides whoever hacked into Clintons emails is a hero and a savior. Regardless if it was Russia they just took a page out of the U.S handbook in foreign intervention. No country sticks their nose into other nations politics better than the u.s does.
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So you love Putin the biggest dictator in modern times. The man who does not believe in human rights, is swindling his country and has eliminated a number of his critiques and opponents.
 
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Frankfooter said:
So you think the Russian hacker Guccifer is a 'hero'?
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Why must you conduct these interview questions? Does my opinion really matter to you?
This is the first time iv even heard the name Guccifer, and google says he is Romanian not Russian...your Clinton problem is with Romania now.
 
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italianguy74 said:
Why must you conduct these interview questions? Does my opinion really matter to you?
This is the first time iv even heard the name Guccifer, and google says he is Romanian not Russian...your Clinton problem is with Romania now.
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Guccifer 2 has been identified by US intel as the Russian posing as a Romanian, who hacked the Clinton emails, passed them on to Putin's government who then passed them on to wiki leaks.

You called Guccifer 2, and Putin as well, 'heros' for hacking democrats emails and messing with the election.
 
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So you love Putin the biggest dictator in modern times. The man who does not believe in human rights, is swindling his country and has eliminated a number of his critiques and opponents.
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I've said this several times (and no one has even attempted to rebut it), RT (America) is the official English language news organ of the Russian state. It unrelentingly criticized Trump through the campaign, and continues to do so now. It's support was, unsurprisingly, behind Sanders throughout. The notion that Russia wanted Trump to win and took steps to assist him just doesn't fit with this editorial position of RT.

And again, to be clear, US intelligence agencies stated that they had "high confidence" that Russian backed hackers had accessed or attempted to access US national information assets. However, what that statement means is that these sources:

1. Were not prepared to confirm that they had specifically identified the hackers, nor confirm that they were able to tie such hackers to the Russian government. Their statement amounted to "their best guess" that Russians had been hacking. That guess is meaningless to the point of ridicule in the context that the US and Russians are continuously in the process of hacking each other!
2. Never said that the information that was leaked by WikiLeaks was not subject to multiple hacks from multiple governments, nor did they confirm that it was not otherwise leaked by American whistleblowers.
3. Did not confirm that the hacking they were talking about related to the DNC server specifically, or the Podesta e-mails specifically, or voter registration data, or election related software systems.

In short, the media insupportably read into the statement what they wanted to read into it, to drive whatever story they were pushing at the time. The only thing you could fairly read in the statement was that they were pretty sure the Russians were amongst those hacking into American systems. You couldn't conclude: a) which systems, b) when, c) whether they were the only hackers or there were others, or d) whether the hacked information was leaked by the hackers, or by others with access to the same information.

The Russian conspiracy angle to this election needs to be put to bed. It is palpable nonsense, and doesn't stand up to any serious scrutiny.

Russia may prefer Trump as President, but possibly for the same reasons that so many voted for him - more sound foreign policy than what Clinton would have pursued.
 
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Bud Plug said:
I've said this several times (and no one has even attempted to rebut it), RT (America) is the official English language news organ of the Russian state. It unrelentingly criticized Trump through the campaign, and continues to do so now. It's support was, unsurprisingly, behind Sanders throughout. The notion that Russia wanted Trump to win and took steps to assist him just doesn't fit with this editorial position of RT.

And again, to be clear, US intelligence agencies stated that they had "high confidence" that Russian backed hackers had accessed or attempted to access US national information assets. However, what that statement means is that these sources:

1. Were not prepared to confirm that they had specifically identified the hackers, nor confirm that they were able to tie such hackers to the Russian government. Their statement amounted to "their best guess" that Russians had been hacking. That guess is meaningless to the point of ridicule in the context that the US and Russians are continuously in the process of hacking each other!
2. Never said that the information that was leaked by WikiLeaks was not subject to multiple hacks from multiple governments, nor did they confirm that it was not otherwise leaked by American whistleblowers.
3. Did not confirm that the hacking they were talking about related to the DNC server specifically, or the Podesta e-mails specifically, or voter registration data, or election related software systems.

In short, the media insupportably read into the statement what they wanted to read into it, to drive whatever story they were pushing at the time. The only thing you could fairly read in the statement was that they were pretty sure the Russians were amongst those hacking into American systems. You couldn't conclude: a) which systems, b) when, c) whether they were the only hackers or there were others, or d) whether the hacked information was leaked by the hackers, or by others with access to the same information.

The Russian conspiracy angle to this election needs to be put to bed. It is palpable nonsense, and doesn't stand up to any serious scrutiny.

Russia may prefer Trump as President, but possibly for the same reasons that so many voted for him - more sound foreign policy than what Clinton would have pursued.
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Your comments about RT aren't really that strong an argument. US intel claims that the goals of Russian interference were to screw with American's trust of their electoral system and democracy, not to elect a particular leader. Trump's election certainly was majorly helped by the Russian hacks, but it wasn't their prime goal. They just wanted to fuck with the US system. On that goal they killed it.

Your comments about US intel not really being confident are also naive, the combined statement is about as strong as ass covering beaurocrats will ever make. Nobody, with the exception of Comey, is willing to stake their career on a 100% certain claim, it just doesn't happen. They are also certain enough to directly name Guccifer 2 and Russia in their statement, that's a major move politically and requires quite a bit of confidence for 17 agencies to combine and come out publicly against Russia.

The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process.
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https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07...omeland-security-and-office-director-national

Guccifer 2 was pinpointed as the source of the hacks and the links to Russia and wiki leaks also confirmed.

Read the headlines about the story:
US officially accuses Russia of hacking DNC and interfering with election
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https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ia-dnc-hack-interfering-presidential-election

The US also notes that since they identified the Russians as behind the hacks, they stopped.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-intel-chief-russia-curtailed-hacking-us-targets-175558257.html

Trump is a clown who went so far as to call for Russians to hack Clinton publicly, but the Russian attack on US democracy that accidentally also elected Trump is real. You are naive to ignore this.
 
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Bud Plug said:
I've said this several times (and no one has even attempted to rebut it), RT (America) is the official English language news organ of the Russian state. It unrelentingly criticized Trump through the campaign, and continues to do so now. It's support was, unsurprisingly, behind Sanders throughout. The notion that Russia wanted Trump to win and took steps to assist him just doesn't fit with this editorial position of RT.

And again, to be clear, US intelligence agencies stated that they had "high confidence" that Russian backed hackers had accessed or attempted to access US national information assets. However, what that statement means is that these sources:

1. Were not prepared to confirm that they had specifically identified the hackers, nor confirm that they were able to tie such hackers to the Russian government. Their statement amounted to "their best guess" that Russians had been hacking. That guess is meaningless to the point of ridicule in the context that the US and Russians are continuously in the process of hacking each other!
2. Never said that the information that was leaked by WikiLeaks was not subject to multiple hacks from multiple governments, nor did they confirm that it was not otherwise leaked by American whistleblowers.
3. Did not confirm that the hacking they were talking about related to the DNC server specifically, or the Podesta e-mails specifically, or voter registration data, or election related software systems.

In short, the media insupportably read into the statement what they wanted to read into it, to drive whatever story they were pushing at the time. The only thing you could fairly read in the statement was that they were pretty sure the Russians were amongst those hacking into American systems. You couldn't conclude: a) which systems, b) when, c) whether they were the only hackers or there were others, or d) whether the hacked information was leaked by the hackers, or by others with access to the same information.

The Russian conspiracy angle to this election needs to be put to bed. It is palpable nonsense, and doesn't stand up to any serious scrutiny.

Russia may prefer Trump as President, but possibly for the same reasons that so many voted for him - more sound foreign policy than what Clinton would have pursued.
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The Director of National Intelligence clearly stated that the Russian state was behind the attacks on the DNC. Bud is in denial.
 
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fuji said:
FAST will be along soon to say that's a tie.
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,... "prompting new calls for an audit of voting machines in battleground states".

So just what do you claim the accuracy of the voting system is in the US,...???

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fuji said:
Much better then 2M votes.
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And you know that the voting system accuracy in the US is better than 1%,...HOW.

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fuji said:
See?

So FAST are you saying that Trump didn't really win? It's actually a tie?
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See, you don't know what the accuracy of US voting is.

Trump won the election fuji,... Killary and family lost, one more time,...Trump won the election,...!!!

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