Highway Driving

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Laz: I bet the kid will be a little more serious when he does actually get to drive again don't cha think?

IMO the second the other car pulled up to "pace" him it was no longer a simple drive down the road, it was racing. Whether you do it at 100 kph or 3 kph......When I was young (and stupid) my buddies and I would have what we called a "slow race". You couldn't go over the limit, couldn't break any laws but how you could get ahead and win is by accelerating rapidly from stops, and how you could maneuver around other obstacles and how quickly you could corner. (which meant not using your brakes on a corner or turn which resulted in more than a few slides)......

We never broke the speed limit but we were, nonetheless, racing.....
 

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What if the car behind you decides to switch lanes to get around a car thats hogging up the far left lane and in turn doing so bumps another car? As far as I feel, the car hogging the passing lane caused that accident even if the law saids otherwise.

My car is always under control, even spinning its back wheels--I don't fishtail around turns--thats for those teenage punks :p

You guys would love how I drive here--no matter how fast I may be going, if somebody else wants to pass I will leave space open for them--I do not try to play Mr Police Officer on the roads, too risky even if I am not the one who gets hurt, I hate to see anybody get hurt.

I watch out for other drivers and try to help them out--too bad more people don't try to avoid all accidents, even the ones that may not be their fault. Nobody drives perfect all the time--NOBODY!
 

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You're right joe, and no matter how fast you think you are, there's always going to be someone faster. I am continually flashing my lights on people doing the speed limit or less in the passing lane but when I see someone approaching me from behind? I pull over long before he has to slow down. Why? Cuz who am I to slow him down? Plus it's only common courtesy.

But hey, Mr Safe and Courteous up there thinks it's totally cool to cause an 18 wheeler to lock up his brakes for now other reason that to be a dick.....

BTW: I'm still waiting for one of the lane hogs to come on here and say why they are so upset at someone following too close.......
 

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tboy said:
Laz: I bet the kid will be a little more serious when he does actually get to drive again don't cha think?
It'll be a while, yeah...

And I do agree it was all kinds of stupid - but the cop pulling out the new racing laws in a situation like this was way overkill, too. I feel like it was a REAL stretch for them to make that charge, and they knew it wouldn't stick - which is why they dropped it so easily.

As a fire fighter, and former commercial driver, I see the outcome of too much speed, and not enough control, all the time. I also race stock cars - I love to go fast, but keep that for saturday nights. Or when I'm driving the big red truck... ;)

Seriously - in Canada (Ontario and Quebec espically) - we don't know how to drive on multi-lane roads properly. Cruise in the "fast" lane on an Interstate for a few miles, and see how it goes...

Laz
 

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See laz, maybe you're right, the cops knew it wouldn't stick but did it anyways to "teach the kid a lesson"......which isn't a bad thing IMO. Now as it being overkill, if he never does it again, I don't think it was overkill in the least.
 

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LazMan said:
Seriously - in Canada (Ontario and Quebec espically) - we don't know how to drive on multi-lane roads properly. Cruise in the "fast" lane on an Interstate for a few miles, and see how it goes...

Laz

EXACTLY!... I am not sure why this is even a discussion, I don't care if you are going 95 or 195 if you are NOT passing anyone else then get out of the left lane.

HALFDUN has absolutely no clue...he is clueless. he is without clues.
 

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The average speed is 115 only because you can't get above 45 during rush hour.

The law is very clear. When approached by an overtaking vehicle, move out of the way.

You have stated that you speed. So your argument that driver's going faster than you has absolutely no moral authority. Your argument is based solely upon what you, and only you think is right. It appears that in your eyes, society is wrong. You have stated that you speed, thereby stating that society can be safely ignored to your own personal benefit. Then you go ahead and state that anyone driving in a manner that does not meet with your personal approval is a "moron"

There are words that describe people such as yourself. Fascist. Egocentric. Selfish. Rude.

You get the point.
First, the average speed of 110 (or 115 as per you) has nothing to do with traffic jams and rush hour. When traffic is moving at 110/115, that is normal flow.
And you are in fact a moron if you profess that there is no moral difference between speeding at 10-20 over the limit and speeding at 40-50 over. If there were no difference, there would be no difference in the amount of fine and # of demerit points earned. And there wouldn't be a special law for speeders doing 50+ over the limit.
These aren't my rules. They are our laws. Society has decided that my crime is of minor importance, but there are degrees of penalty that rise exponentially from 20+ over posted limits. That's what I call moral authority.
And I am not aware of any law that says I must move over for an faster vehicle when I am passing a car.

Now, before you start calling me names, get your head out of your ass and put your mouth in park. The lead in your foot seems to be flowing north.
Least that's the way I see it from up on my high horse.
 

steel24

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HafDun said:
Now, before you start calling me names, get your head out of your ass and put your mouth in park. The lead in your foot seems to be flowing north.
Least that's the way I see it from up on my high horse.

amazing... doesn't want us to call him names, but requests that we take our heads out of our asses.... once again HAFDUN has no clue.

I actually am starting to feel sorry for him, there has to be something wrong with someone to be so pathetic.
 

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EXACTLY!... I am not sure why this is even a discussion, I don't care if you are going 95 or 195 if you are NOT passing anyone else then get out of the left lane.

HALFDUN has absolutely no clue...he is clueless. he is without clues.
Did you read what he said?

HafDun said:
I do get out of the way when I'm done passing.
If he is passing someone there would be a vehicle to his right so there are three choice, the choices would be as follows: 1) Pull to the right cutting the vehicle he was trying to pass 2) Slow down and pull back behind the vehicle he was trying to pass 3) Continue to pass and change lanes at a safe distance from the vehicle he was passing.

The first option will likely get him killed and the driver of the other vehicle, the second option will likely piss you off even more because you have to slow down to accommodate his failed attempt to pass since you were in a hurry, the third option seems to be the safe and reasonable thing to do.
 

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There's actually a 4th option which would solve all the problems: 4) before pulling out to pass a slower moving vehicle check to make sure there isn't a faster vehicle already approaching the two of you.....
 

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steel24 said:
amazing... doesn't want us to call him names, but requests that we take our heads out of our asses.... once again HAFDUN has no clue.

I actually am starting to feel sorry for him, there has to be something wrong with someone to be so pathetic.
Lets see, he thinks of himself as perfect, he thinks he can dictate to the rest of the world what to do and when, he thinks he knows how to debate, he thinks he is literate...

There is nothing wrong with him that a few extra grams of grey matter and a dose of humility would not fix.
 

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Dick: (funny how appropriate that name is in this situation) something you don't seem to be able to comprehend, and probably don't know, is that large trucks need speed to be able to easily climb the next hill and use that pent up momentum in order to do so. Many trucks get maximum efficiency by going around 110 - 120 in hilly areas. If you've ever travelled down I-75 in Georgia or Tennessee you'd see trucks doing 80 or 90 mph down one hill in order to make it up the next. By the time they reach the top of the next hill they're doing the speed limit or less.

Now you "think" you did the right thing by touching your brakes but did you for a moment stop and think "what if mr trucker wasn't paying that close attention" and hit you? You'd be crushed beyond all recognition.....and being in a honda, your survival rate would be negligable.

You probably think of yourself as a safe driver when in fact, you're more of a menace than the trucker. If you were a safe considerate driver it would have taken you less than 20 seconds to pull over and let him by. Why wouldn't you just do that? I can answer that for you: because you are NOT a safe nor considerate driver.

For the life of me I cannot understand how anyone would think recklessly endangering their lives by doing what you described. Why not just let them by? Ego? Because you think you're somehow more powerful because you're surround by steel? I bet you wouldn't even think twice about standing in front of a Biker who was trying to get by you......why do it in a vehicle? I can answer that too: because not only are you ignorant, stupid, and an idiot, but you are no better, and in some ways worse than the guy wanting to get by you.....
Well, Tboy, I think you're like the trucker that was tailgating me: You're one of those guys that has to learn the hard way.

First of all, there are virtually no hills on the Highway I mentioned: there goes that hairbrained theory. Baddonkey takes care of the technical demise of your theory, too, in his earlier post.

Secondly, on a two-lane highway, you actually expect me to pull off the road onto the gravel shoulder so that a truck driver trying to shave a half hour off his day can go by me? You're out of your tree! Even if I did, what about the next car a couple hundred meters ahead? And the car a few hundred meters ahead of that? We're all supposed to do the same? Did I mention that I was already doing 10 kph over the limit? Oh yeah, I did.

Thirdly, if you're referring to an "outlaw"-type biker, I may or may not stand in his way. If he had no way of tracking me down after the fact, I certainly would. One thing I've learned in my experiences with bikers is that the only way it ever ends is if you're the one that loses. If you happen to end up on the winning end (and one-on-one I know I would have a better than average shot), if they know who you are, you'll get ambushed some other time, probably when you least expect it, and it WONT be one-on-one anymore.

Tboy, I'm guessing by your writing style that you're under 25. I can also guess the type of driver you are. Let's just say I'd bet a ton of money that you could never drive for 20 years professionally all over the GTA five days a week without an accident on your record.

By the way tboy, if you're going to use that kind of language towards me again, you might as well just put it in my PM, along with where you'd like to meet up...
 

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Tboy, I'm guessing by your writing style that you're under 25.
The sad thing according to his post he might be almost as old as you.

Dick Starbuck said:
By the way tboy, if you're going to use that kind of language towards me again
He will say anything to try to "win" a discussion. You wasting keystrokes trying to reason with him.
 

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Dick Starbuck said:
Well, Tboy, I think you're like the trucker that was tailgating me: You're one of those guys that has to learn the hard way.

First of all, there are virtually no hills on the Highway I mentioned: there goes that hairbrained theory. Baddonkey takes care of the technical demise of your theory, too, in his earlier post.

Well, problem with his theory is he doesn't take into account momentum. NO one can tell me that gaining momentum going downhill or with speed will decrease the ability of anything to climb up the next rise. It is simple physics.

In addition, speed reduces torque? WTF planet is he on? Speed has NOTHING to do with torque of any engine, it is ENGINE RPMs that denote the amount of torque an engine produces......Hence why some produce a lot of torque at high rpms (small engines) or large amount of torque at low rpms (large displacement diesels). Again, simple engineering.....


Secondly, on a two-lane highway, you actually expect me to pull off the road onto the gravel shoulder so that a truck driver trying to shave a half hour off his day can go by me? You're out of your tree! Even if I did, what about the next car a couple hundred meters ahead? And the car a few hundred meters ahead of that? We're all supposed to do the same? Did I mention that I was already doing 10 kph over the limit? Oh yeah, I did.

Yes I do and I have done that......in fact, when it comes to trucks, I go out of my way to aid them in their endeavors by letting them merge, slowing down to give them plenty of space to merge, etc. Just like I wouldn't want any asshole coming around and impeding my ability to earn a living, I don't do it to them.......and if you had 2 cents of grey matter you'd know that.....

Thirdly, if you're referring to an "outlaw"-type biker, I may or may not stand in his way. If he had no way of tracking me down after the fact, I certainly would. One thing I've learned in my experiences with bikers is that the only way it ever ends is if you're the one that loses. If you happen to end up on the winning end (and one-on-one I know I would have a better than average shot), if they know who you are, you'll get ambushed some other time, probably when you least expect it, and it WONT be one-on-one anymore.

Ah so, you may or may not stand in his way, why not? Cuz when you're not surrounded by a chunk of steel you're more vulnerable???

Tboy, I'm guessing by your writing style that you're under 25. I can also guess the type of driver you are. Let's just say I'd bet a ton of money that you could never drive for 20 years professionally all over the GTA five days a week without an accident on your record.

Actually, again, you're showing your IQ: you're wrong on all counts and I have been driving in the GTA in professional and civvie capacities for 30 yrs accident free. In fact, it's been 20 yrs since my last moving violation....(touch wood, now that I've said it I'll probably get one tomorrow).

By the way tboy, if you're going to use that kind of language towards me again, you might as well just put it in my PM, along with where you'd like to meet up...
BTW: why did it bother you so much that he was tailgating you? Or are you too much of a pussy to answer that important question?

For the record, I've pm'd locations to "meet" up with members in the past and they've never showed. I was also banned from terb for doing that .....

So, no, I won't be pming you anything. But should YOU wish to do so? I cannot stop you.......
 

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hunter001 said:
The sad thing according to his post he might be almost as old as you.

He will say anything to try to "win" a discussion. You wasting keystrokes trying to reason with him.
Did someone fart in here???
 

Dick Starbuck

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O.K., tboy, so I'm wrong about your age and driving experience.

How 'bout your height? I'm guessing 5 foot 8 or less (again just a guess, based on your writing style).

Oh, and I have a thousand bucks that says your I.Q. is less than mine on any standard test. (Unless you're in the one percentile that beats me!)

Why did it bother me so much that he was tailgating me? I just have this strange dislike towards ignorance and disrespect, plus I don't take well to intimidation tactics, which is what a lot of my fellow truck drivers do, unfortunately (who HASN'T been tailgated by a dump truck?).
 

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Ah, another one.......keep your grand to yourself, you've already been proven wrong twice tonight, want to make it 3 for 3????
 

Dick Starbuck

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Proven wrong? Active imagination you have. I've made my point, if that's what you mean. And you've made yours. Ain't life grand?

Speaking of grand, the offer's on the table, take me up on it anytime...
 

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Dick Starbuck said:
O.K., tboy, so I'm wrong about your age and driving experience.
that's two.....for a guy who is so confident of his IQ you'd think you'd be able to count to two........edit: *last line removed to prevent future banning*
 
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