Highway Driving

[mmouse]

To clarify about my statement (simply driving too close doesn't specifically cause an accident) isn't to say that a rear end accident could result from following too close but an external influence would be required for that to happen.

Sorry but your logic is 101% bullshit.

Might as well say there's nothing inherently dangerous in running a red light. You would need an "external influence" such as a car driving through an adjacent green light to cause an accident, right?

Why don't you go and do target practice on the puck when kids are playing street hockey. Nothing dangerous there eh. You'd need an "external influence" of a kid getting in the way for anything bad to happen.

 

[tboy]

Sorry but your logic is 101% bullshit.

Might as well say there's nothing inherently dangerous in running a red light. You would need an "external influence" such as a car driving through an adjacent green light to cause an accident, right?

Why don't you go and do target practice on the puck when kids are playing street hockey. Nothing dangerous there eh. You'd need an "external influence" of a kid getting in the way for anything bad to happen.

THis is a perfect example of how you have no concept of physics: A red light is there to prevent 2 objects travelling in different directions from colliding. By circumventing that safe guard you are allowing the possibility of those two objects meeting. Now this is taking into consideration that the vast majority of the time there will be other vehicles travelling in different directions at almost all intersections.

Did you notice that not all intersections have stoplights? Some have stop signs, and some don't even have THAT, they only have yield signs!

You still don't get it do you? Two objects travelling in the same direction at the same velocity cannot meet!

But here's a perfect example of mmouse: Here's the point -----> .

here's mmouse --> .

Now I will await Hunter to come in here and start up with your lame ass analogies but I know that he won't cuz he is only obessed with me.....

 

[mmouse]

Unfortunately you are too stupid to see how stupid your comment was.

Go ahead and tailgate and try your "same direction, same velocity" defence in court.

 

[S.C. Joe]

When cars can ever drive them selfs--and its a long ways off I believe-thens been studys saying there could be less lanes of roads needed because all the cars could be travel much closer to each another than today.

The reason you should not tailgate is because you need time to react. In a way T-boy is right, you either hit or you don't. But since you don't know what the car in fronts going to do and you need time to respond, you should be 2-3 car lengths back on the freeway.

 

[tboy]

When cars can ever drive them selfs--and its a long ways off I believe-thens been studys saying there could be less lanes of roads needed because all the cars could be travel much closer to each another than today.

The reason you should not tailgate is because you need time to react. In a way T-boy is right, you either hit or you don't. But since you don't know what the car in fronts going to do and you need time to respond, you should be 2-3 car lengths back on the freeway.

its called caravaning and they have been testing it in germany. What happens is there are sensors in the car and road that feed the main computer and it also can control the computer in the car. I saw a report on 5 vehicles on the test track and they were about 6" apart. What happens is the first vehicle determines the speed and if the brakes need to be applied, they are applied at exactly the same time in the following vehicles. Basically what they create is a "train". This greatly improves fuel economy as well due to the drafting effect.

It was pretty cool actually. they had 3 lanes, one of which was reserved for "caravaning". If you want in, you pull into the lane next to it, hit a button on your dashboard, that lets the main computer know you want in, it moves vehicles forwards and some back and makes room for you and slides you right in.

The beauty of the system is that you can tie it in with your gps and the main computer will let you know when your exit is coming up and move you out of the caravan.

I think it was on the Daily Planet and Jay was in one of the middle cars and was wowed by how close the cars were. I think they were going 140 kph but don't quote me on it.

 

[Moraff]

The problem is is that you guys are arguing about apples and oranges.

Two objects traveling in the same direction at the same speed will never meet. This is simple physics.

A car tailgating in and of itself will not directly cause an accident, but may aid in causing one by making the tailgatee do something without thinking clearly.

A car tailgating will almost always make a situation worse due to the fact that it has no time to react to what happens to the vehicle in front of it.

Tailgating is a poor driving choice which may result in giving you a ticket.

Forcing the situation (ie deliberately braking in front of the tailgater - whether you are just lighting up your taillights or actually braking) is a poor decision, which may also end up giving you a ticket.

So tailgaters please stop tailgating and allow the car in front of you to get out of your way safely, and tailgatees please resist the temptation to 'educate' or 'inconvenience' them and just get out of the way so you don't end up part of their flawed decision process.

That way we can all get where we're going a not end up a sad story on an Escort Review Board.

Does that sum it up or do we need to beat the dead horse yet again?

 

[Moraff]

its called caravaning and they have been testing it in germany. What happens is there are sensors in the car and road that feed the main computer and it also can control the computer in the car. I saw a report on 5 vehicles on the test track and they were about 6" apart. What happens is the first vehicle determines the speed and if the brakes need to be applied, they are applied at exactly the same time in the following vehicles. Basically what they create is a "train". This greatly improves fuel economy as well due to the drafting effect.

It was pretty cool actually. they had 3 lanes, one of which was reserved for "caravaning". If you want in, you pull into the lane next to it, hit a button on your dashboard, that lets the main computer know you want in, it moves vehicles forwards and some back and makes room for you and slides you right in.

The beauty of the system is that you can tie it in with your gps and the main computer will let you know when your exit is coming up and move you out of the caravan.

I think it was on the Daily Planet and Jay was in one of the middle cars and was wowed by how close the cars were. I think they were going 140 kph but don't quote me on it.

That'd be cool, but it'd be nervewracking until you got used to it (6" ) They use that idea in a book called "Red Thunder" by Varley. Although in his book the computer also puts the hottest car up front too <grin>.

 

[tboy]

That'd be cool, but it'd be nervewracking until you got used to it (6" ) They use that idea in a book called "Red Thunder" by Varley. Although in his book the computer also puts the hottest car up front too <grin>.

LOL yeah, can you imagine if you had a bugatti veyron and got stuck behind a smart car? lol......

 

[Moraff]

LOL yeah, can you imagine if you had a bugatti veyron and got stuck behind a smart car? lol......

ROFL.

 

[BuffNaked]

Since I'm obviously not able to quote from the Highway Traffic Act, how about a segment of the Ontario Driver's Handbook:

I use elaws whenever I need to look up Ontario statutes.

Is the HTA law? Yes and no...

The Highway Traffic Act is a statute which is nothing more than a rule with the force of law. If it was an actual law they would have put name in the title. It is merely an act.

Why does it apply to you? Because you at one point in time submitted to the government for a license. That license is a privilege/benefit. Unfortunately it also carries a great deal of liability.

Now lets look at it from the perspective of common law (*Not the same as Statute Law). Can the government license an activity that is unlawful? No it can't. Therefore, is it unlawful to travel in public without a license? It can't be.

Ok, so we've established that it's not unlawful to travel in public. I'm sure all of you are thinking "That's not how it works" or "That's a quick way to get arrested". There's a trick in there. It's one they will get you with every time. They will get you with it every time until you tell them otherwise. That trick is presumption.

Do you know what a person is? I'm sure you think you do. Well let me write out the definition as found in a law dictionary.

Persons are of two classes only - Natural persons and legal persons. A natural person is a human being that has the capacity for rights or duties. A legal person is anything to which the law gives a legal or fictional existence or personality, with capacity for rights and duties. The only legal person known to our law is the corporation.

I bolded the most important part. So when the court asks you if you are the person in question and you say yes, you are saying you are the corporation that are speaking of. From there you proceed to your ruin. You are now acting as surety for the person (corporation). Ever wonder how they could throw a man in jail for harming no one? That's how.

So when you are in court it is presumed you are the person. There are a few ways out though. First you can file an affidavit saying that you are in fact a man. Go to a notary and send notice out to your representatives that you are a man and get a default judgment on it. Now no one can argue you are not a man because there's a judgment on it. It is now law. You can now use this as evidence (Because now it is evident). You can also state for the court record you are also a man or at least in control of your person. Something along the lines of "I am the authorizing agent of the person known as ..."

Now after this is done, you can challenge the courts jurisdiction. Remember that the HTA only applies to persons and that the only legal person recognized by law is the corporation. Are you a corporation or a man? Take there presumption away and you will find that they have very little to work with.

Now this is just a quick peek of the magnificent deception the powers that be have pulled over you. If you really want to see how deep this rabbit hole goes, look at the banking system and credit card companies. Then you'll get mad.

 

[Moraff]

one solution to stop tailgating

 

[LadiesMan69]

Found this thread very interesting and having read through it all, I am adding in my two cents for various comments.

Funny Pic!!
I noticed that because of the threads here in the Lounge on "Road Rage" and "Highway Driving" over the last week or so, and the fact that I DID read everyone's post, I am actually driving a tad safer than normal!!!

Because of everyone here in the Lounge and their opinion I have been more aware than normal out there!!!

Agree with you here sailor. I generally like to drive the posted highway speed + (GST & PST) and there are times lately that I tend to exceed that personal rule. This seems to be the norm so driving at that speed, I am matching traffic flow for the most part.

I find the longer people go without having an accident, the more "daring" they become on the roads. It's the old additive "It has not happened to me in a long time, hence I have become a safe driver" Reading through this thread, definately affects the way I am driving this past week. Hope others are learning some things and reacting similarly.

Funny Pic!!
I work hard at trying to keep my anger down on the roads, and am usually sucessful but sometimes I tend to slip.

IMHO, Keeping your "Driving ego" as well as your anger down is the key to being a safer driver. However, I drive 10,000 KM per month on average and driving that much, it is hard to be in control of your emotions 100% of the times. I do notice that when I keep my anger in check, I am a more observant of traffic flow which allows me to react more quickly to drivers that are driving erraticly.

Governors don't prevent the right lane driver from slowing down to let the passer past more quickly. Assuming there isn't other traffic behind the 100kph truck, not slowing down is lack of courtesy on his part.

While I doubt the majority of drivers are as good as they think they are, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are. Doesn't mean that everyone around you is a good driver and can handle you doing excessive speed maneuvers around them.

Agree with both your points. It does not kill a person being passed (whether you are a truck or smart car) to drive 5 Km slower to let a car wanting to pass you go ahead, but I have seen trucks in the right lane of a 2 lane highway even start increasing speed when a truck on the left wants to pass them. The truck has the right to pass a slower truck just like any other car, but the driver on the right lane can make easier for all cars on the highway if they just slow down 5 Km and let the other truck pass more quickly. IT IS CALLED SHARING THE ROAD (We all pay the same amount of taxes for the highways).

I have been driving since 1992 and do (for the last year) 8-10,000 KM per month. I can safely say I have more driving experience and am more comfortable with tailgaters and driving higher speed. But I also remember that once upon a time I was a new driver and got nervous when some one tailgated me or was driving faster around me. I used to slow down myself because I was nervous and uncomforatable and I think many other with less driving experience would react the same.

There's actually a 4th option which would solve all the problems: 4) before pulling out to pass a slower moving vehicle check to make sure there isn't a faster vehicle already approaching the two of you.....

I can not even begin to count how many times I scream out the same thing when a car going at speed less than me decides to pull into my lane and then they put on the brakes when they see me apporoaching me. IMHO, You should turn into a lane if you can without causing drivers already in the lane to react defensively to your action. I am not saying that you should not come into my lane (you pay the same taxes, you have the right to do so) but DO NOT MAKE ME HAVE TO HIT ON THE BRAKES OR SWERVE OUT or something else just because you feel you need to pass the pass the car in front of you. And here I am in the lane before you, and you are getting annoyed because I want to pass you (in the passing lane).

Don't tailgate me, then.
You do not EVER have the right to tailgate someone.
If you want to risk my neck by your dangerous driving, I'm going to inconvenience you as my way of thanks.

Never said that it was right to tailgate. However compounding his wrong with your misguided attempt to educate him only makes the problem worse.

As I said in another post, the tailgater has already demonstrated that they are capable of foolish decisions, why on earth would you want to hang out in front of him any longer than you have to? You're just giving him more time to include you in his next bad decision.

I wish everyone that drives in the fast lane could read your post Moraff. The tailgater has no personal vengence against you, just wants to get by and move on driving. Why do you need to have a vengenge against someone that has nothing personal against you? I bet when you decide to block a tailgater, you have no consideration for the innocent passangers in each car that will get affected by an accident you cause as well or the trucker that is behind the tailgater whose life you change dramatically when you force him to brake hard in his slow stopping vehicle... possibly involving him in an accident that was not necessary and the work hours he would lose while an investigation goes on to determine how much was his blame. I know I am stretching the circumstances here a bit but in reality this could happen also.

BTW: yes you do get charged for dangerous driving if you are the lead car and slam on the brakes for no reason. also, for a person to do that, cause an accident, and refuse to accept the punishment by lying to the police is a driver with no respect. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS! When you make a mistake (we are humans, not machines) accept your share of the blame and most importantly learn from it and become a better driver yourself. God knows it is easier to improve yourself than spend your time trying to teach a bad driver a thing or 2.