Highway Driving

[Diode]

If I'm passing people in the passing lane, I will move over to let someone faster pass me when it is safe and convenient to do so. I will not cut anyone off, or force my way over just because someone wants to pass me. When I have safely executed my pass, I will move over. He has a right to pass me, and I don't have a right to continuously drive in the left lane - only to use it for passing.
However, IF, during the course of my passing cars, said driver behind me decides to not maintain a safe distance ... he will continue to wait until I have made my disgust of his driving clear. I have a right to use that lane for passing, and he does not have a right to force me out of it, regardless of how fast he's driving relative to me, or to drive within a car length or two of my vehicle at highway speeds.
Tailgating is dangerous. Wait your turn.
Do not use the left lane for driving - only for passing.

SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT. Not left lane for passing my friend.
Tailgating IS Dangerous, and annoying.
So is blocking traffic. Why not speed up a bit and move over when safe?

 

[Quest4Less]

The main problem here is the "me" syndrome

It's always about me - "me first" - "I'm right & you're wrong" - me, me, me...

The person driving the speed limit thinks 'I'm obeying the law, my taxes paid for the road and I have a RIGHT to drive in any lane I want'

The person going 115 thinks 'I'm already speeding so I have a RIGHT to use the left lane, and no one should be going faster then ME'

The person going 140 or more thinks (among other things) - 'Jesus H Christ I wish these idiots would get off the road, or at least move the hell over' (and yes - I am one of these)

Share the road - be courtious - and DO NOT attempt to put your beliefs or what YOU think is right on other people.

 

[Diode]

I used to be all of these....but in the nearly 40 decades I've been driving I realized 2 things I have to do while on the roads
1- Stay alive

2- Keep my Blood Pressure low enough to stay alive

Whatever lane you're in ..if you're slower, I go around... and if ya wanna pass, I'll make as easy as I can for you...everybody can do what they want just leave me out of it

You're 400 years old?
Please get off the road.

 

[BuffNaked]

Not Necessarily - From the Ont Highway Traffic Act:


147. (1) Any vehicle travelling upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at that time and place shall, where practicable, be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 147 (1).

Exception

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a driver of a,

(a) vehicle while overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction;

(b) vehicle while preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway; or

(c) road service vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 147 (2).

Dude! If your going to quote the HTA, quote who it applies to and figure out if it applies to you. Upon closer inspection it should become obvious but if you are still having trouble, I'll de-construct it for you.

 

[Moraff]

If I'm passing people in the passing lane, I will move over to let someone faster pass me when it is safe and convenient to do so. I will not cut anyone off, or force my way over just because someone wants to pass me. When I have safely executed my pass, I will move over. He has a right to pass me, and I don't have a right to continuously drive in the left lane - only to use it for passing.
However, IF, during the course of my passing cars, said driver behind me decides to not maintain a safe distance ... he will continue to wait until I have made my disgust of his driving clear.

I was 100% in agreement with you up to this point. While you do have the right to pass in the manner you stated, you do not have the right to remain out there until you have "made [your] disgust of his driving clear".

 

[Moraff]

Since I'm obviously not able to quote from the Highway Traffic Act, how about a segment of the Ontario Driver's Handbook:

Once on the freeway, a safe driver travels at a steady speed, looking forward and anticipating what’s going to happen on the road ahead. Traffic should keep to the right, using the left lanes for passing.

"Should" is not equivalent to "must" so this doesn't prove your argument of having to drive in the right-hand land.

Be careful not to cut off any vehicle, large or small, when making a lane change or joining the flow of traffic. It is dangerous and illegal for a slower moving vehicle to cut in front of a faster moving vehicle.

This refers to changing lanes in a manner that doesn't give the faster traffic a reasonable chance to respond. If you are doing 100 and move into the lane of a car doing 110 that's a quarter-click behind you it's not illegal. (As long as you're passing someone)

 

[Moraff]

Dude! If your going to quote the HTA, quote who it applies to and figure out if it applies to you. Upon closer inspection it should become obvious but if you are still having trouble, I'll de-construct it for you.

Guess I need it de-constructed for me, because what I see there is that I should be in the right-hand lane if there's faster traffic coming up behind me as long as it's safe for me to do so, unless I am a) engaged in passing another car, b) making a left-hand turn or c) am driving a road service vehicle as defined by the HTA

So what have I missed?

 

[S.C. Joe]

Share the road - be courtious - and DO NOT attempt to put your beliefs or what YOU think is right on other people.

Boy if only more drivers thought like that

 

[S.C. Joe]

I used to react to others BS but then I was told, "just because that driver may be a jerk doesn't mean you have to be one also".

 

[King Elessar]

SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT. Not left lane for passing my friend.
Tailgating IS Dangerous, and annoying.
So is blocking traffic. Why not speed up a bit and move over when safe?

The one implies the other. How is that not clear? If there is slower traffic in front of me, on the right, I will move to the left to pass, and I am perfectly within my rights to do so. If there are several vehicles for me to pass, I will pass them all, then move back to the right. If someone comes up behind me, they can wait until I have finished my passing maneuver.
You DO NOT drive on the left, except to pass.
You DO NOT tailgate anyone. At any time.
Clear enough for ya?

 

[King Elessar]

I was 100% in agreement with you up to this point. While you do have the right to pass in the manner you stated, you do not have the right to remain out there until you have "made [your] disgust of his driving clear".

Don't tailgate me, then.
You do not EVER have the right to tailgate someone.
If you want to risk my neck by your dangerous driving, I'm going to inconvenience you as my way of thanks. Tough shit.

 

[tboy]

The one implies the other. How is that not clear? If there is slower traffic in front of me, on the right, I will move to the left to pass, and I am perfectly within my rights to do so. If there are several vehicles for me to pass, I will pass them all, then move back to the right. If someone comes up behind me, they can wait until I have finished my passing maneuver.
You DO NOT drive on the left, except to pass.
You DO NOT tailgate anyone. At any time.
Clear enough for ya?

Actually yeah that's pretty clear but what burns me (and others) is when "someone within their rights to pass x number of slow moving trucks in the right lane doing 100 kph" only goes 102 kph and takes a good 40 kms to complete the pass.

WHat happens then is someone doing 103 kph moves into the 3rd lane to pass the slow passer and now you have a mobile road block. I've seen this 1000's of times on the gardiner and traffic is backed up for miles. You think there's an accident or something but nope, 2 road hogs......If I was a cop I'd pull em both over and the charge would be "impeding the flow of traffic" (which has been on the books for 30+ yrs and is nothing new).

 

[S.C. Joe]

Don't tailgate me, then.
I'm going to inconvenience you as my way of thanks. Tough shit.

Its a good thing most of you are not allowed to carry a handgun in your car, like many can in the States, lol

 

[S.C. Joe]

I don't like being tailgated either and I have a big car. Its really hard not to get upset behind the wheel but if you keep letting the jerks on the road get to you and you start driving like them, one day your luck may run out.

The people who been killed on the roads can't come on here and post their story's. So of course many posting will say they never had an accident while driving but it can take only 1 accident and there could be no more tomorrows.

You never can tell what can happen on the highways.

 

[Moraff]

Don't tailgate me, then.
You do not EVER have the right to tailgate someone.
If you want to risk my neck by your dangerous driving, I'm going to inconvenience you as my way of thanks. Tough shit.

Never said that it was right to tailgate. However compounding his wrong with your misguided attempt to educate him only makes the problem worse.

As I said in another post, the tailgater has already demonstrated that they are capable of foolish decisions, why on earth would you want to hang out in front of him any longer than you have to? You're just giving him more time to include you in his next bad decision.

 

[MuffDiver]

Its a good thing most of you are not allowed to carry a handgun in your car, like many can in the States, lol

I'd opt for a rocket launcher myself. There's too much shit on the roads these days and the OPP is clearly incapable of cleaning it up and the offending parties continue to drive 149.5 everywhere, weave in and out of lanes and tailgate. Or they do 105 in the the fast lane and feel they are entitled to be there.

SOAFB!

 

[King Elessar]

Actually yeah that's pretty clear but what burns me (and others) is when "someone within their rights to pass x number of slow moving trucks in the right lane doing 100 kph" only goes 102 kph and takes a good 40 kms to complete the pass.

I agree 100%. And left-lane bandits are the most prevalent, most frustrating problem on the 400-series highways.

 

[King Elessar]

Never said that it was right to tailgate. However compounding his wrong with your misguided attempt to educate him only makes the problem worse.

As I said in another post, the tailgater has already demonstrated that they are capable of foolish decisions, why on earth would you want to hang out in front of him any longer than you have to? You're just giving him more time to include you in his next bad decision.

Misguided? Hardly. Almost everyone asshole who's treated to this gets upset. I'm not trying to modify their behaviour (although they may EVENTUALLY get it). I'm trying to punish it.
After a minute or two, I move over, and they drive past, inconvenienced.

 

[tboy]

Misguided? Hardly. Almost everyone asshole who's treated to this gets upset. I'm not trying to modify their behaviour (although they may EVENTUALLY get it). I'm trying to punish it.
After a minute or two, I move over, and they drive past, inconvenienced.

Problem with that action is that when YOU decide to finally move over, it might be the same moment he decided to go around you on the right as well.

I can't tell you how many times this has happened to me personally....You wait, wait wait for them to move back into the middle lane, then ok fine, stay in the passing lane I'll move over which is exactly the same time THEY decide to move over too.....

Funny, I have been using the DVP south lately due to the location of a site I'm working at. KNow what I found? The far right lane (the supposed slow lane) is the one mostly empty, especially at Eglinton.

For the record though the DVP has got to have some of the most DANGEROUS on/off ramps every thought up. Lawrence (southbound side) if just fricken insane.....and for that matter, they should close the on/off ramps at York Mills. Frankly if someone wants to get on the DVP they can go up to sheppard or down to lawrence. Having an onramp that close to a major interchange is one of the main reasons that area is always stopped.

 

[King Elessar]

If you hit me from the rear, it's your fault. That's really all there is to it. Doesn't matter what the car in front of you is doing - you need to drive appropriately.