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The trouble is, Rob, the Cairo Agreement was never published, so I'm not sure why you used that as a source.
The Cairo Accord actually isn't required to indict Lebanon. It is sufficient to show that they knew the PLO was attacking Israel from their territory and took no steps to stop it. But the contents of the Cairo Accord are well enough known abd show that Lebanon was an active and willing participant.

Legally, Israel was justified the moment the PLO attacked cross border, but a Lebanon's guilt here has more of an active element.
 

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So what? I proved Lebanon started the war. Case closed.
All you proved was that the war was caused by Israel's ethnic cleansing and refusal to honour their word and allow the right of return to refugees.
 

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All you proved was that the war was caused by Israel's ethnic cleansing and refusal to honour their word and allow the right of return to refugees.
1. Internal Israeli politics cannot cause a war with Lebanon no matter what happened. The war was caused by attacks on Israel from Lebanese territory

2. The right of return does not apply to anyone at war with Israel, per the UN resolution

3. The right of return is not ancestral

4. Israel never ethnically cleansed anyone

But again, for the purpose of determining who started the Lebanese/Israeli war, the whole return issue is irrelevant. Whatever happened between Israel and the Palestinians was not an act of war on Lebanon.
 

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1. Internal Israeli politics cannot cause a war with Lebanon no matter what happened. The war was caused by attacks on Israel from Lebanese territory
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The 'attacks' were caused by Palestinian's who were forced out of their homes by Israeli internal politics.
The war was caused by Israel trying to attack them when they tried to go home.

The UN has accused Israel of ethnic cleansing, and come April 29 Israel will face up to 50 charges at the ICC over the issues.
UN investigator: Israel engaged in ethnic cleansing with settlement expansion
U.S. academic Richard Falk spoke to UN Human Rights Council as it prepared resolution condemning settlement building in East Jerusalem and West Bank.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/un-investigator-israel-engaged-in-ethnic-cleansing-with-settlement-expansion-1.350938
 

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The 'attacks' were caused by Palestinian's who were forced out of their homes by Israeli internal politics.
Even if that were true, it is not an act of war with Lebanon

The war was caused by Israel trying to attack them when they tried to go home.
No, the war was caused by armed assault on Israel from Lebanese territory, with the complicity of the Lebanese regime.

The UN has accused Israel of ethnic cleansing
Nope. You are lying, trying to pass off Falk as if he were the General Assembly. I note again that the anti Israeli side depends on this sort of deception. You cannot make an honest case.
 

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I get around.
The 'attacks' were caused by Palestinian's who were forced out of their homes by Israeli internal politics.
The war was caused by Israel trying to attack them when they tried to go home.

The UN has accused Israel of ethnic cleansing, and come April 29 Israel will face up to 50 charges at the ICC over the issues.
UN investigator: Israel engaged in ethnic cleansing with settlement expansion
U.S. academic Richard Falk spoke to UN Human Rights Council as it prepared resolution condemning settlement building in East Jerusalem and West Bank.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/un-investigator-israel-engaged-in-ethnic-cleansing-with-settlement-expansion-1.350938
U.S. academic Richard Falk has very odd points of view, and an agenda. The article you linked to was from 2011. Two years later...

UN Chief Again Slams Richard Falk, "Vehemently Disagrees" with 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

GENEVA, July 5 2013 – After UN Watch exposed UN official Richard Falk's latest support for the 9/11 conspiracy theory in his interview with “Truth Jihad Radio”, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon dissociated himself from Falk once again.

July 1, 2013
Washington Free Beacon
By Alana Goodman

The United Nations special rapporteur on Palestinian human rights appeared on a “9/11 truth” radio show in May and questioned the “official version” of the Sept. 11 attacks, the latest in a string of controversial comments to draw criticism.

U.N. official Richard Falk, who came under fire in April for suggesting the Boston marathon bombing was a justifiable response to America’s interventionist U.S. foreign policy, was a guest on the May 31 episode of Truth Jihad Radio hosted by “9/11 truth” advocate Kevin Barrett.

Falk praised during the interview Barrett’s “patient effort to tell the truth, and to get more and more people that are willing to say: At least that there are important unanswered questions that deserve a response, that the official version [of the Sept. 11 attacks] has unacceptable gaps in it.”

“Questioning that deeply the official version of 9/11 does touch the third rail of American political sensitivities, and there is an attempt to discredit and destroy anyone that makes such a bold statement,” Falk continued. “This has intimidated a lot of people, and makes people more reluctant than they might otherwise be to raise these suspicions about how to understand that transformative event that has been used to project American power around the world and to engage in these very destructive and dysfunctional wars, Iraq and Afghanistan being the main examples.”

Falk was introduced on the show as “the U.N. special human rights rapporteur for the Palestinian territories.”

The host Barrett during the interview questioned whether the Boston bombing was “another false flag attack” and slammed the “Neocon crazies” who criticized Falk’s comments about the attack.

Barrett also claimed that the vast majority of Muslims, himself included, believe that the Sept. 11 attacks were an “inside job” designed to incite a war against Islam.

“Is there a way that maybe, given the fact that four out of five Muslims say [9/11] was an inside job, that we can approach this from a human rights perspective, in saying that it’s Islamophobic to accept the official story without questioning it?” Barrett asked Falk.

“Yes, you can certainly argue that,” Falk responded.

Barrett has previously questioned the Holocaust.

U.N. Watch, a Geneva-based watchdog group, called on U.N. leadership, including Secretary General Ban Ki Moon and High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay, to reprimand Falk for his comments.

Ban’s spokesperson told the Washington Free Beacon that the U.N. chief vehemently disagrees with Falk’s remarks, adding that Falk is an independent rapporteur appointed by the U.N. Human Rights Council and does not represent the secretary general.

“We’ve made it very clear that the secretary general does not share his views on topics like this,” said Farhan Haq, associate spokesperson for the secretary general. “[Ban has] made very clear that he disagrees with Mr. Falk,
including his accounting of the Sept. 11 events.”

A spokesperson for Pillay did not respond to a request for comment by press time.

It is not the first time Falk has promoted Sept. 11 conspiracy theories. He wrote in 2008, “Any close student of 9/11 is aware of the many serious discrepancies between the official version of what took place and the actual happenings on that fateful day in 2001.”

Falk’s tenure at the United Nations has been riddled with controversy. He posted a cartoon in 2011 of a yarmulke-clad dog urinating on Lady Justice and chewing on a bloody skeleton, prompting accusations of anti-Semitism.

Falk later apologized for the cartoon, saying that he “didn’t realize that it could be viewed as anti-Semitic and still do[es] not realize.”
 

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U.S. academic Richard Falk has very odd points of view, and an agenda. The article you linked to was from 2011. Two years later...
There is nothing wrong questioning the events of 9/11 too many questions left unanswered by the government
 

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Seperating yourself with reality. Give your head a shake.
We looked extensively into the case of Haifa, read the peace terms Haganah offered the Arabs, saw that the Arabs rejected then only because they worried about recognizing Haganah jurisdiction, and chose to leave rather than accept peace.

My statement is accurate, Israel did not ethnically cleanse Arabs.
 

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My statement is accurate, Israel did not ethnically cleanse Arabs.
First, don't try to change the terms of the argument in your typical troll manner by using 'arab' instead of 'palestinian'.

Second, not according to the UN.
UN investigator: Israel engaged in ethnic cleansing with settlement expansion
 

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First, don't try to change the terms of the argument in your typical troll manner by using 'arab' instead of 'palestinian'.

Second, not according to the UN.
Israel never ethnically cleansed any Arabs, which includes that Israel never ethnically cleansed any Palestinian Arabs. The UN has not said otherwise, either, liar. Don't come back with some corrupt and kooky report TO the UN and claim it is the UN's opinion.
 

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Israel never ethnically cleansed any Arabs, which includes that Israel never ethnically cleansed any Palestinian Arabs. The UN has not said otherwise, either, liar. Don't come back with some corrupt and kooky report TO the UN and claim it is the UN's opinion.
Take that up with the UN or the media, I'll just quote the headline again and see if it sinks in this time.
UN investigator: Israel engaged in ethnic cleansing with settlement expansion

Does it help when I make it bigger?
I know you have a very small mind....
 

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We looked extensively into the case of Haifa, read the peace terms Haganah offered the Arabs, saw that the Arabs rejected then only because they worried about recognizing Haganah jurisdiction, and chose to leave rather than accept peace.

My statement is accurate, Israel did not ethnically cleanse Arabs.
Except for the fact you've already confirmed that you believe that the Palestinians were cleansed by Israel.
 
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