1972? You really do like making up lies.
Syrian occupation of Syria lasted from 1976 to 2005.
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Syrian occupation of Syria lasted from 1976 to 2005.
But you were caught lying about an agreement whose text you did not have. For some reason that didn't stop you from claiming that you did have access. And then you had the lack of character to use what you knew to be false as a source for your claim.So what? I proved Lebanon started the war. Case closed.
Honesty is not something you embrace in your posts.
The let's have a little history lesson:1972? You really do like making up lies.
Syrian occupation of Syria lasted from 1976 to 2005.
"As the Lebanese Civil War escalated in 1976, the Arab League created an intervention force composed almost entirely of Syrian forces with token contributions from other Arab states, including Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Libya. Although nominally present at the behest of the government of Lebanon, the force was under the direct command of Syria. The ADF initially consisted of 30,000 troops of which 25,000 were provided by Syria. In the spring of 1979, after the Arab League had extended the mandate of the Arab Deterrent Force, the Sudanese, the Saudis and the United Arab Emirates troops departed Lebanon, the Libyan troops were essentially abandoned and had to find their own way home (if at all), and the ADF thereby became a purely Syrian force (which did include the Palestinian Liberation Army (PLA)).[citation needed]
The ADF mandate was to deter the conflicting sides from resorting to conflict again, including the tasks of maintaining cease-fire, collecting heavy weapons and supporting the Lebanese government in maintaining its authority.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Deterrent_Force
You are welcome to screech that Syria invaded in 1976 but let's not confuse historical fact with your personal narrative.
Sure lets.The let's have a little history lesson:
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Syrian troops entered Lebanon in June 1976. The Arab league creation of the ADF began in October 1976. Of course to create an intervention force out of a group that was an active participant until that time seems an interesting choice.
Of course the ADF mandate expired in 1982, all aspects of the civil war ended in 1990 but the Syrian troops stayed until 2005. In fact in 1986, Lebanon's government officially requested the removal of Syrian troops which the Syrians ignored.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_occupation_of_Lebanon
Yes, military occupation.
You aren't even disputing the Palestinian attacks on Israel fro Lebanon. Case closed.But you were caught lying about an agreement whose text you did not have. For some reason that didn't stop you from claiming that you did have access. And then you had the lack of character to use what you knew to be false as a source for your claim.
Honesty is not something you embrace in your posts.
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/22/world/lebanese-scrap-plo-accord-barring-bases.html
" The accord with the P.L.O., known as the Cairo Agreement, was signed in the Egyptian capital in 1969 by Yasir Arafat and Gen. Emile Boustany, then commander of the Lebanese Army. It allowed the guerrillas to establish military bases in Lebanon and conduct cross border operations against Israel."
Unfortunately, you didn't quote the article correctly. Nowhere does it say "Syrian troops entered Lebanon in June 1976". You've made that up.Sure lets.
Syrian troops entered Lebanon in June 1976. The Arab league creation of the ADF began in October 1976. Of course to create an intervention force out of a group that was an active participant until that time seems an interesting choice.
Of course the ADF mandate expired in 1982, all aspects of the civil war ended in 1990 but the Syrian troops stayed until 2005. In fact in 1986, Lebanon's government officially requested the removal of Syrian troops which the Syrians ignored.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_occupation_of_Lebanon
Yes, military occupation.
But, you have just confirmed that the Syria was a participant int he Arab Deterrent Force from 1976 to 1982. No occupation in that time.
I know reality is hard for you to deal with but the reality is there is no text known as the Cairo Agreement that has ever been released.You aren't even disputing the Palestinian attacks on Israel fro Lebanon. Case closed.
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/22/world/lebanese-scrap-plo-accord-barring-bases.html
" The accord with the P.L.O., known as the Cairo Agreement, was signed in the Egyptian capital in 1969 by Yasir Arafat and Gen. Emile Boustany, then commander of the Lebanese Army. It allowed the guerrillas to establish military bases in Lebanon and conduct cross border operations against Israel."
Yep. I know readingthe fiorst couple paragraphs is a challenge for you so I'll quote them here.Unfortunately, you didn't quote the article correctly. Nowhere does it say "Syrian troops entered Lebanon in June 1976". You've made that up.
But, you have just confirmed that the Syria was a participant int he Arab Deterrent Force from 1976 to 1982. No occupation in that time.
In January 1976, a Syrian proposal to restore the limits to the Palestinian guerrilla presence in Lebanon, which had been in place prior to the outbreak of the civil war, was welcomed by Maronites and conservative Muslims, but rejected by the Palestinian guerrillas and their Lebanese Druze-led and leftist allies. In June 1976, to deal with the opposition posed by this latter group (which was normally allied with Syria), Syria dispatched Palestinian units under its control into Lebanon, and soon after sent in its own troops as well. Syrian claims these interventions came in response to appeals from Christian villagers under attack by Leftists in Lebanon.
By October 1976, Syria had caused significant damage to the strength of the Leftists and their Palestinian allies, but at a meeting of the Arab League, it was forced to accept a ceasefire.
Ill also add:
Analyzing whether and when the Syrian presence was a military occupation under international law, Gerhard von Glahn writes that "The mandate of the Force was renewed several times before it officially expired on July 27, 1982, at the time of the Israeli siege of Beirut. The Lebanese government refused to request that the mandate be renewed by the Arab League. Instead, in September 1986, Lebanon requested an end to the Syrian presence in Lebanon. It would appear that, lacking legal authority from both Lebanon and the Arab League, Syria's military forces had to be regarded henceforth as illegal occupants of Lebanon."[11]
Months of illegal invasion, 6 years of occupation under the vague authority of the Arab League, and then a couple decades of purely illegal occupation.
Looks like the Lebanese Army can do it's job.
Car seized by Army was stolen in Lebanon, rigged in Syria
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Le...my-was-stolen-in-lebanon-rigged-in-syria.ashx
The Lebanese army intercepted a massive car bomb before it could be set off. 240 kg of explosives.
Yes, it went over the border to Syria to be rigged with Hezbollah as the likely target.
Car seized by Army was stolen in Lebanon, rigged in Syria
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Le...my-was-stolen-in-lebanon-rigged-in-syria.ashx
The Lebanese army intercepted a massive car bomb before it could be set off. 240 kg of explosives.
Yes, it went over the border to Syria to be rigged with Hezbollah as the likely target.
And if more evidence of the flaws in Lebanon's system,
Aoun says met with Hariri, Nasrallah
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Le...7681-aoun-says-met-with-hariri-nasrallah.ashx
The fact that Aoun, an elected politician meets with Saad Hariri, a rival politician makes sense. The fact that the unelected Hezbollah leader Nasrallah is involved shows that democracy isn't the way things work there yet.
Aoun says met with Hariri, Nasrallah
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Le...7681-aoun-says-met-with-hariri-nasrallah.ashx
The fact that Aoun, an elected politician meets with Saad Hariri, a rival politician makes sense. The fact that the unelected Hezbollah leader Nasrallah is involved shows that democracy isn't the way things work there yet.
Wonderful. You've confirmed that Syria did not occupy Lebanon until 1982 - much later than your initial claim. And you've also confirmed that it was Palestinian units under it's control that entered Lebanon in June 1976. Not Syrian Army units. Syrian army units did not come until later and considering that only 3-4 months later they were part of the Arab Deterrent Force that would seem like the ADF being constituted.Yep. I know readingthe fiorst couple paragraphs is a challenge for you so I'll quote them here.
In January 1976, a Syrian proposal to restore the limits to the Palestinian guerrilla presence in Lebanon, which had been in place prior to the outbreak of the civil war, was welcomed by Maronites and conservative Muslims, but rejected by the Palestinian guerrillas and their Lebanese Druze-led and leftist allies. In June 1976, to deal with the opposition posed by this latter group (which was normally allied with Syria), Syria dispatched Palestinian units under its control into Lebanon, and soon after sent in its own troops as well. Syrian claims these interventions came in response to appeals from Christian villagers under attack by Leftists in Lebanon.
By October 1976, Syria had caused significant damage to the strength of the Leftists and their Palestinian allies, but at a meeting of the Arab League, it was forced to accept a ceasefire.
Ill also add:
Analyzing whether and when the Syrian presence was a military occupation under international law, Gerhard von Glahn writes that "The mandate of the Force was renewed several times before it officially expired on July 27, 1982, at the time of the Israeli siege of Beirut. The Lebanese government refused to request that the mandate be renewed by the Arab League. Instead, in September 1986, Lebanon requested an end to the Syrian presence in Lebanon. It would appear that, lacking legal authority from both Lebanon and the Arab League, Syria's military forces had to be regarded henceforth as illegal occupants of Lebanon."[11]
Months of illegal invasion, 6 years of occupation under the vague authority of the Arab League, and then a couple decades of purely illegal occupation.
But, you forgot to add this part of the text:
"By October 1976, Syria had caused significant damage to the strength of the Leftists and their Palestinian allies, but at a meeting of the Arab League, it was forced to accept a ceasefire. The League ministers decided to expand an existing small Arab peacekeeping force in Lebanon, but it grew to be a large Arab Deterrent Force consisting almost entirely of Syrian troops. The Syrian military intervention was thus legitimized and received subsidies from the Arab League for its activities.[1]"
When is that coup you predicted going to happen, Nostradamus?And if more evidence of the flaws in Lebanon's system,
Aoun says met with Hariri, Nasrallah
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Le...7681-aoun-says-met-with-hariri-nasrallah.ashx
The fact that Aoun, an elected politician meets with Saad Hariri, a rival politician makes sense. The fact that the unelected Hezbollah leader Nasrallah is involved shows that democracy isn't the way things work there yet.
Wow. You live in an imaginary world.Wonderful. You've confirmed that Syria did not occupy Lebanon until 1982 - ...]
1) Syria invaded in June 1976, months before any suspicious Arab League mandate. What you quoted even sates that Syria has to be forced into a ceasefire by the Arab League.
2) They continued to occupy until 2005.
At least you now admit that Syria was an illegal occupier. Maybe you can get around to criticizing them for it.
You keep claiming I said that. Pony up with the proof.When is that coup you predicted going to happen, Nostradamus?
The link above confirms it, and there is no dispute that the Palestinians attacked Israel from Lebanon. The above just shows that you are a sore loser.I know reality is hard for you to deal with but the reality is there is no text known as the Cairo Agreement that has ever been released.
Just as the papers you've provided show there is no dispute that the Palestinians there were both ethnically cleansed and had legal right of return that Israel refuses to honour.The link above confirms it, and there is no dispute that the Palestinians attacked Israel from Lebanon. The above just shows that you are a sore loser.
That was the cause.
Meanwhile, the Khalidi paper clearly shows that the Arabs were offered a great peace deal that included full citizenzhip, that the Arabs DECIDED not to accept it based only on concerns about recognizing Haganah jurisdiction, and subsequently DECIDED to leave voluntarily.
These are the facts, no matter how much sand Groggy tries to throw up in the air to obscure them.
Those who left (and not their descendants) DO have a right of return, but per UN Resolution 192, it is conditional on their agreeing to live in peace with Israel--something that 70 years later they are STILL unwilling to do, as communicated by their recognized political organization, the PLO. Absolutely, whenever those original residents are willing to state that they accept peace with Israel, they should be allowed to return. Meanwhile, no-one was ethnically cleansed.
These are the facts, no matter how much sand Groggy tries to throw up in the air to obscure them.
Those who left (and not their descendants) DO have a right of return, but per UN Resolution 192, it is conditional on their agreeing to live in peace with Israel--something that 70 years later they are STILL unwilling to do, as communicated by their recognized political organization, the PLO. Absolutely, whenever those original residents are willing to state that they accept peace with Israel, they should be allowed to return. Meanwhile, no-one was ethnically cleansed.
You have to be really, really stinkingly dishonest to keep pushing this argument when Khalidi makes it his thesis to prove this point wrong and provides all the documents and arguments to back his case. You'd have to be as stupid as moviefan, to go and look at the IPCC report and say it proves that climate change isn't happening. Only a real hasbara troll would have the nerve to try to make this argument out of a paper who's very purpose is to prove trolls like you wrong.Meanwhile, the Khalidi paper clearly shows that the Arabs were offered a great peace deal that included full citizenzhip, that the Arabs DECIDED not to accept it based only on concerns about recognizing Haganah jurisdiction, and subsequently DECIDED to leave voluntarily. .
Are you really that dishonest or that stupid or is it a combination of both?
I'm going with dishonest and that's why you refuse to provide quotes and links, isn't it?
You could have just been honest and admit you said it. But, since you didn't, here you are:You keep claiming I said that. Pony up with the proof.
Well one March 14th figure was blown up a couple weeks ago as I posted above so I wouldn't be surprised if they do that or even go more open and just start a military takeover.
No Rob, no confirmation. No text to corroborate you claim. You're left where you started....with nothing to hang your hat on.The link above confirms it, and there is no dispute that the Palestinians attacked Israel from Lebanon. The above just shows that you are a sore loser.
