Harpo accuses UN of anti-semitism.....

[flubadub]

Harper is an ass, and its no wonder he got voted off the island by the UN.
It used to be that Canada supported peace efforts and international law, and as such Canadians were respected around the world.
Now all we get are fossil awards and lame assed terrorists getting pissed off about our foreign policy.
Thanks, Harper.
'Course, Iggy also backed the Iraq war.

Seems to me we need some new party leaders.
How about Danny W for the cons and Bob Rae for the libs, at least politics would be entertaining again?

 

[fuji]

You really have to stop acting like you understand international law. Seriously, it is getting a little embarassing.

Oh look the fake lawyer piped up. Are you, too, going to argue that in war it's a crime to kill someone you have reasonable grounds to believe is the enemy???

You make me laugh.

 

[blackrock13]

Oh look the fake lawyer piped up. Are you, too, going to argue that in war it's a crime to kill someone you have reasonable grounds to believe is the enemy???

You make me laugh.

F**k Fuji, You are such a knob.

Rid never claimed to be anything, but of course you read it into the post.

You can't snag me or anybody else, save one, use to your games, so you tried to hook somebody who's not as familiar to them. The only member that bites at you dangling bait is one that's almost as loony as you. It appears that FB is weak and can't help it .

 

[rld]

Oh look the fake lawyer piped up. Are you, too, going to argue that in war it's a crime to kill someone you have reasonable grounds to believe is the enemy???

You make me laugh.

I never suggested what is a crime during a war. You suggested intent was all that was required and you got it wrong. I corrected you.

But please, tell us your legal credentials. I am sure we will all be impressed. You continuing dishonesty is really kind of sad.

 

[basketcase]

Flub won the debate many pages ago. There is no defence for Isreal's outragous annexation of the WB.

Hey alleged history professor, Israel didn't annex the West Bank. Jordan did when they invaded in 1948 but Israel never did.

 

[fuji]

You suggested intent was all that was required and you got it wrong.

No, I never suggested that. You simply misread, which seems a common problem for you.

What you originally responded to: Even if they were militia it would be a war crime if IDF killed them without knowing that.

You then responded with the outlandish and ludicrous claim that there is no act. Plainly there is an act, killing someone--just not who you expected to kill. There is the guilty mind (intent to kill civilians) and a corresponding act in furtherance of that goal. The fact that the act failed to kill civilians does not remove guilt.

This is all academic though as what's likely actually happened in this case is that IDF knew they were militia men, and killed them for being militia men.

 

[blackrock13]

Hey alleged history professor, Israel didn't annex the West Bank. Jordan did when they invaded in 1948 but Israel never did.

Oh oh! I wonder what history he did teach.

 

[blackrock13]

I never suggested what is a crime during a war. You suggested intent was all that was required and you got it wrong. I corrected you.

But please, tell us your legal credentials. I am sure we will all be impressed. You continuing dishonesty is really kind of sad.

No, I never suggested that. You simply misread, which seems a common problem for you.

What you originally responded to: Even if they were militia it would be a war crime if IDF killed them without knowing that.

You then responded with the outlandish and ludicrous claim that there is no act. Plainly there is an act, killing someone--just not who you expected to kill. There is the guilty mind (intent to kill civilians) and a corresponding act in furtherance of that goal. The fact that the act failed to kill civilians does not remove guilt.

This is all academic though as what's likely actually happened in this case is that IDF knew they were militia men, and killed them for being militia men.

Oh look the fake lawyer piped up. Are you, too, going to argue that in war it's a crime to kill someone you have reasonable grounds to believe is the enemy???

You make me laugh.

So Fuji, you failed to answer RID's simple question, because why? Kind of weak considering you chided him for being a fake lawyer. Can you say pot, kettle, black?

 

[nottyboi]

The palis have made enough statements about their belief that they have a right to attack Israeli civilians that it's not necessary. They've essentially admitted they do target civilians, especially with respect to settlers.

Flubby conveniently provided a link to an article in which Hamas admits to targetting settlers, justifying it by saying since they have guns they're an army. I guess they think the entire population of the USA is an army too.

It is an idle threat. Besides there are enough documented cases of Israel targeting civilans that it does not matter. It's just the same scum vs scum.

 

[fuji]

So Fuji, you failed to answer RID's simple question, because why? Kind of weak considering you chided him for being a fake lawyer. Can you say pot, kettle, black?

He is a fake lawyer. He's gotten so much basic stuff wrong he can't be a real one.

 

[fuji]

It is an idle threat. Besides there are enough documented cases of Israel targeting civilans that it does not matter. It's just the same scum vs scum.

Sorry it does matter, and it's none too idle--Hamas act on that threat on a regular basis. They brag about it on their website when they manage to kill somebody. Also I'm not aware of this documentation you claim exists about Israel targeting civilians. Where is it? Credible answers only--no Arab League propaganda reports. Give me something credible.

 

[blackrock13]

He is a fake lawyer. He's gotten so much basic stuff wrong he can't be a real one.

He's never claimed to be a lawyer. You're the one to make that claim.

You still haven't answered his question. I'm guessing you have no credentials or you would have declared them by now.

 

[rld]

He is a fake lawyer. He's gotten so much basic stuff wrong he can't be a real one.

I am a lawyer and happy to make the claim. I have not gotten anything legally wrong on this site.

However I give you Fuji on criminal law:

Put it this way: Even if they were militia it would be a war crime if IDF killed them without knowing that. The key is whet IDF believed and why IDF believed it. That is ALL that matters in determining whether a crime was committed here--nothing else really matters.



You fail at comprehending the rules that apply in war. You utterly, completely, and totally fail.

Which was, and is completely incorrect. As I have explained to you there are two elements to a crime. But you just blather on because your ego and your fanaticism do not allow you to do otherwise.

You approach really reminds me of Sarah Palin. If you keep repeating the lies you hope your belief system will become reality.

One of the problem our modern political world is people who allow their worldview to shape their view of reality instead of using reality to build a worldview. It is a common disabling delusion.

 

[Cobster]

Harper is an ass, and its no wonder he got voted off the island by the UN.
It used to be that Canada supported peace efforts and international law, and as such Canadians were respected around the world.
Now all we get are fossil awards and lame assed terrorists getting pissed off about our foreign policy.
Thanks, Harper.
'Course, Iggy also backed the Iraq war.

Seems to me we need some new party leaders.
How about Danny W for the cons and Bob Rae for the libs, at least politics would be entertaining again?

+1 to that ^.

 

[flubadub]

Also I'm not aware of this documentation you claim exists about Israel targeting civilians. Where is it? Credible answers only--no Arab League propaganda reports. Give me something credible.

Fuji you are finally revealing your super powers, that is your super power to pretend to forget about any human rights violations and/or war crimes committed by your funding state.
Once more, here you go, please refresh your memory, take your ginko pills, call the doctor about your alzheimers and tie a piece of string around your fingers.


Goldstone report.
UN HRC Flotilla report.
Amnesty http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?lang=e&id=ENGMDE150702006
Amnesty on Israeli failure to investigate war crime allegations http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/latest-israeli-response-gaza-investigations-totally-inadequate-20100202
HRW http://www.beirutbeltway.com/beirutbeltway/2006/08/hrw_israel_targ.html

 

[fuji]

So no.

 

[fuji]

Which was, and is completely incorrect.

Try killing the wrong person. See if a judge agrees.

You are clinging to the ludicrous notion that pulling the trigger on a gun is not an act. Absolutely ludicrous. Just because the person you're pointing the gun at isn't who you thought they were it is no less of an act to pull the trigger.

This is well established, as attested by everyone who was convicted for first degree murder for intentionally trying to murder someone, but murdering the wrong person. Your ignorance of the identity of the target is irrelevant to the fact that you made a positive act--pulling the trigger--trying to kill a civilian.

 

[blackrock13]

I am a lawyer and happy to make the claim. I have not gotten anything legally wrong on this site.

However I give you Fuji on criminal law:




Which was, and is completely incorrect. As I have explained to you there are two elements to a crime. But you just blather on because your ego and your fanaticism do not allow you to do otherwise.

You approach really reminds me of Sarah Palin. If you keep repeating the lies you hope your belief system will become reality.

One of the problem our modern political world is people who allow their worldview to shape their view of reality instead of using reality to build a worldview. It is a common disabling delusion.

You see rid, out of your whole post Fuji grabbed these 6 words, quickly rushing by the fact that he put his foot squarely in his mouth by earlier claiming you were a fake lawyer. Of course, he also ran past the listing of his law credentials as well. I guess he wants to forget that brain cramp as fast as he can.

Your comparison with Sarah Palin is an interesting one. Hmmmm! I wonder if they have the same hairdresser.

 

[blackrock13]

I asked for your opinion on the topic.

No you didn't. You asked me for my opinion on 'your' topic. So tell us Fuji, what are your law credentials?

 

[fuji]

You see rid, out of your whole post Fuji grabbed these 6 words, quickly rushing by the fact that he put his foot squarely in his mouth by earlier claiming you were a fake lawyer.

That's because he is a fake lawyer. A real lawyer would know that pulling the trigger on a gun is an act in furtherance of an attempt at murder, and that it doesn't much matter that you were pointing it at the wrong person.