Harper wants to make prostitution illegal

[Lord_Phan]

You guys are pretty stupid, it is contrary to Right wing Ideology to make prostitution illegal. Saying that, Neo-Cons are not true Conservatives, only share many of the same values and ideologues of a Traditional Conservative. The Conservative Party of Canada, encompasses both.

When Conservatism ruled, Prostitution was legal. Brothels were legal.

It was protestants and Liberals(Womans movement) Who made it illegal and pressure for the illegalization of Prostitution.

It is contrary to Left-wing Socialist doctrine to permit prostitution as it undermines their goal of keeping the people dependant on the State.

The way you guys sound is like a guy complaining that Jews are mistreated so lets vote for Hitler. (Btw Hitler was a Socialist)

The idiocy in this country is almost unbelievable. you'll fall for any rhetorical speach it seems. The Math is against Kyoto, so you scream for Kyoto, the math is pro-invasion in the middle east(Not neccesarily Iraq but they were the easiest target) with a proper Cassus Belli, so you scream bloody murder and try and undermine the Cassus Belli. I mean, considering you liberals can't do basic mathematics or Game Theory, is it any wonder you're mostly poor and run to the State for protection?

Personally this paper fantasy of names and borders you call a State, has no right to interfere with my dynasty, my finances or my Religious beliefs. That is conservatism.

 

[Cute In A Kilt]

I hope all you idiots who voted for the Tories in the last election realize the kind of government you have now. These Western rednecks are just itching to turn Canada into another Texas.

No matter who you vote in, it's all the farking same....... they are all privileged older white men who have NO concept of the average persons needs or wants. Politics is one big game of ass kissing and name dropping. The tories are corrupt, the liberals are corrupt and each party has their own problems. The most annoying thing about the tories is their "moral" preachings and the fact that they are almost santioning the discrimination against gays, women, minorities and most marginalized ppl through their various dumbass policies.

This retoric against prostitution is JUST THAT, a bunch of men who probably pay for sex on the down-low talking out of their asses (god I wish I knew which dungeon Harper goes to get spanked). When I started in this biz in 1995 it was the same crap.... it was supposedly illegal to buy OR sell sex, in or outdoors, didn't stop all the agencies, didn't stop the johns, didn't stop the girls. So I take this for what it is "blah blah blah".

And once again HOW MUCH DID THEY PAY FOR THAT REPORT ON PROSTITUTION, like over 300K, this is what we get out of it??? At the end of the day that report reinterated the same things the FRASER report said in the 80's, to minimize violence against women, children and women being trafficked... the gov needs to create a system where it is safe for these people to approach law enforcement and law enforcement in turn needs legislation to back them up. Making prostitution illegal is just going to make it easier for the women-beaters and serial killers to target us for fear of the Gov finding out our "illegal" activities.

Personally I find no crime in two consenting adults doing whatever they want in the privacy of their bedrooms (and maybe living rooms and kitchens if one wants to get kinky). This is a big fat waste of time and money. I think someone in parliment needs a proper blowjob.

 

[papasmerf]

only a conservative would resort to nitpicking when they are wrong, well actually alot of people do

as a conservative would you support Harper and his gang if they followed the committee's recommendations, including making it illegal for a person to pay for sex

and regardless if it is a state or federal responsibility in the US (your nitpicky issue), has those laws curtailed prostitution and protected women, which is the real isue

and finally, can you be a conservative when it comes to tax reforms but a liberal when it comes to moral and social issues, or is it a perequisite that all conservatives stick their heads up their asses to smell the roses

You question is moot in that I neither live in Canada or am a lawmaker in Canada.

 

[papasmerf]

I will. JaJa has hijack another thread with junk posts for a higher post count.

The Harper Government is a minority, let's make them lower than that come the next election. Going against prostitution is just political garbage like flag-burning. It won't pass, but is pushed for media sound-bite scores in the hopes to keep as many seats as possible. Already Bush Jr. can't help Harper. Liberals in '08!!! Hillary in '08!!! We're in to win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gyaos Baltar

As I recall you entered Canada Illegally and pitched a bitch till I removed your quote on that. Your voice is stunted by your status.

 

[danmand]

No matter who you vote in, it's all the farking same....... they are all privileged older white men who have NO concept of the average persons needs or wants. Politics is one big game of ass kissing and name dropping. The tories are corrupt, the liberals are corrupt and each party has their own problems. The most annoying thing about the tories is their "moral" preachings and the fact that they are almost santioning the discrimination against gays, women, minorities and most marginalized ppl through their various dumbass policies.

This retoric against prostitution is JUST THAT, a bunch of men who probably pay for sex on the down-low talking out of their asses (god I wish I knew which dungeon Harper goes to get spanked). When I started in this biz in 1995 it was the same crap.... it was supposedly illegal to buy OR sell sex, in or outdoors, didn't stop all the agencies, didn't stop the johns, didn't stop the girls. So I take this for what it is "blah blah blah".

And once again HOW MUCH DID THEY PAY FOR THAT REPORT ON PROSTITUTION, like over 300K, this is what we get out of it??? At the end of the day that report reinterated the same things the FRASER report said in the 80's, to minimize violence against women, children and women being trafficked... the gov needs to create a system where it is safe for these people to approach law enforcement and law enforcement in turn needs legislation to back them up. Making prostitution illegal is just going to make it easier for the women-beaters and serial killers to target us for fear of the Gov finding out our "illegal" activities.

Personally I find no crime in two consenting adults doing whatever they want in the privacy of their bedrooms (and maybe living rooms and kitchens if one wants to get kinky). This is a big fat waste of time and money. I think someone in parliment needs a proper blowjob.

If you looked into the situation in Sweden, which has done a sensational U turn with its anti-prostitution laws in 1999, you would find that it was driven partly by feminists, not middle aged white men.

Stop shopping at Ikea, cutie.

 

[Rockslinger]

This is a scary thought but when it comes to politicians and laws, anything is possible. Can the legislature pass a law to make the purchase of sex between consenting adults illegal? Yes, it is possible. Do we forget that there is already a law that makes it illegal to purchase medical services? Our Parliamentarians feel that it is far better for you to wait 18 months in pain for a knee replacement (unless you are Mats Sundin or Stephen Harper) than to allow you to legally buy a new knee at a private clinic in Canada.

Of course, if they ever pass such a law, they would have to grant an exemption for homo sex because not to do so would violate their homo Charter rights. (Note: I am not a Charter law expert.)

 

[papasmerf]

This is a scary thought but when it comes to politicians and laws, anything is possible. Can the legislature pass a law to make the purchase of sex between consenting adults illegal? Yes, it is possible. Do we forget that there is already a law that makes it illegal to purchase medical services? Our Parliamentarians feel that it is far better for you to wait 18 months in pain for a knee replacement (unless you are Mats Sundin or Stephen Harper) than to allow you to legally buy a new knee at a private clinic in Canada.

Of course, if they ever pass such a law, they would have to grant an exemption for homo sex because not to do so would violate their homo Charter rights. (Note: I am not a Charter law expert.)

You could always move to the US

 

[Lord_Phan]

Sweden has no conservatives, they are a socialist country. It is socialism that is anti-prostitution.

Only Traditional Conservatives are in favour of legalization. It was our brethren in Germany who legalized it there.

Keep playing the gay card and you'll make it illegal, homosexuality is a mortal sin, Sex out of wedlock(prostitution would be lumped in here) is a very minor sin. Looked down upon yes, persecuted no. gays on the other hand is very different story, they'd be lumped into the same level as pedophiles and rapists.

So yes, we don't like those who commit mortal sins, no if you commit a minor sin, we won't persecute you.

 

[dreamer]

Personally this paper fantasy of names and borders you call a State, has no right to interfere with my dynasty, my finances or my Religious beliefs. That is conservatism.

Problem is that is not the conservatism that you get when you vote conservative in Canada.

So you have to go with what they are verses your view of conservatism.

And you have to remember what the issue is. I have no problem believing that if the Harper Conservatives had a majority right now they would propose a bill and vote the committee's recommendations.

And you are pretty stupid to think that it is contrary to right wing ideology to make prostitution illegal as you are forgetting that right wing thinking is more than just about capitalism and economics but also about traditional and religious values.

 

[danmand]

Sweden has no conservatives, they are a socialist country. It is socialism that is anti-prostitution.

Only Traditional Conservatives are in favour of legalization. It was our brethren in Germany who legalized it there.

You know as little about Europe as you know of political ideology. Your sentences are illogical on so many levels, that it is impossible to argue with them.

 

[papasmerf]

You know as little about Europe as you know of political ideology. Your sentences are illogical on so many levels, that it is impossible to argue with them.

Demand, opinions like your ilk vary and everyone has one. That of course is what empowers democracies.

 

[danmand]

Demand, opinions like your ilk vary and everyone has one. That of course is what empowers democracies.

Opinions vary, but it is always a good idea to let them be influenced by facts. If someone has spent some time in Sweden and Germany, never mind.

One problem with the discussions here is that the label "conservative" has lost its meanings here. There are in my opinion two valid meanings of conservative,

1. Fical conservative.

2. Moral or sociological conservative.

You will find that Sweden is 2, while Germany is not. Germany traditionally has been 1, while Sweden traditionally has not.

The governemnts that goes for conservative on this board, namely Bush and his buddies, are not 1, and it would appear only 2 by words, not by actions.

 

[papasmerf]

Opinions vary, but it is always a good idea to let them be influenced by facts. If someone has spent some time in Sweden and Germany, never mind.

One problem with the discussions here is that the label "conservative" has lost its meanings here. There are in my opinion two valid meanings of conservative,

1. Fical conservative.

2. Moral or sociological conservative.

You will find that Sweden is 2, while Germany is not. Germany traditionally has been 1, while Sweden traditionally has not.

well the discussion here is about Canada. I would say look to England not Swiss.

 

[danmand]

well the discussion here is about Canada. I would say look to England not Swiss.

Please go ahead and look at Switzerland.

 

[Rockslinger]

You could always move to the US

The solution is not to always move to the U.S. but stay and make Canada an even better country. One that respects the human rights of ALL its citizens.

 

[papasmerf]

The solution is not to always move to the U.S. but stay and make Canada an even better country. One that respects the human rights of ALL its citizens.

Impossible

you willalways have those citizens who wish to distroy the country.

 

[dreamer]

Here is a good article to read

http://www.inter-disciplinary.net/ci/sexuality/s1/Dodillet%20paper.pdf

sadly it appears the the Canadian method of investigating prostitution is very similiar to how Sweden did it before they changed their laws

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

The US never played a big part in WWI and WWII, they only joined the allied forces in Europe, whan the germans were defeated.

Huh?

 

[mediaguy]

the Liberals and Conservatives on the Commons committee on the status of women have come up with a pretty misguided way to go about it.

The committee's report, tabled this week with bipartisan accord, urges the government to make it illegal to buy sex - not to sell it

Now how does Compromised come up with a subject line that blames Harper for this? Looks to me as if the bipartisan committee is behind this.

 

[Aardvark154]

I hope all you idiots who voted for the Tories in the last election realize the kind of government you have now. These Western rednecks are just itching to turn Canada into another Texas.

The prostitution laws in Sweden [are the] result of an alliance between conservatives and feminists.

Demand is more accurate here. The Backbenchers report was from M.P.s from both the Liberal and Conservative Parties. This is far from being driven entirely by "moral values" (although I believe that to be both overused and frequently a misnomer as generally used in this context) on the part of Conservatives with a desire to either return to the past (would that those who use this expression had studied more history in University) or "be more like Texas."

A great deal of this concern about trafficking and "women need to protected from themselves" with it's corollary "men are pigs," flows from the ultra-liberal feminist ranks. Take a look at the U.S. side of the border witness some of the midnight riders to legislation of Senator Maria Cantwell and the statements of such activists as the Actress Mira Sorvino (there was a thread when her latest TV-movie aired early this winter).

Frankly I worry more about the fringe women's groups - "I mean how can you possibly disagree with such progressive values" than I do conservative the "country's going to hell in a handcart" groups. Don’t think the former are just limiting themselves to SPs and clients, they're after the husbands of foreign born wives as well.

Lest anyone say to themselves why the heck should I care about those folks, isn’t this TERB. Remember the famous quote of the Reverend Martin Niemöller: “Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."