Hamas leader killed in Iran

shack

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I don't fake posts, basketcase,
Wait, give me a few seconds to stop laughing.

Correcting them is reasonable.
OK. I think I'm better now.

Your concept of reasonable is taking a somewhat accepted number of dead and arbitrarily quadrupling it and claiming that it is fact.

You have no concept of what reasonable means, including what you just told basketcase.
 

Frankfooter

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Your concept of reasonable is taking a somewhat accepted number of dead and arbitrarily quadrupling it and claiming that it is fact.

You have no concept of what reasonable means, including what you just told basketcase.
The medical professionals applied a standard battlefield formula for casualties vs reported death and the Lancet published it.
This wasn't my calculation, it was the experts in the field and was published by the most credible medical journal around.

You back killing genocide, your definition of reasonable is killing 16,000 children so you can steal their land.

 

shack

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The medical professionals applied a standard battlefield formula for casualties vs reported death and the Lancet published it.
Counting dead in the field of combat is not medicine. They are out of their area of expertise. They never visited the war zone. In what other wars have they offered their opinion? The Lancet did not agree with or vouch for anything in that letter to the editor. They did not review it.

Show us examples where else this "formula" has been previously utilized such that it is standard? You have been unable to provide a single example. And just like Einstein came up with E=mC squared, who came up with this formula? In what year? You are just BSing. You can't answer those questions.
 

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Counting dead in the field of combat is not medicine. They are out of their area of expertise. They never visited the war zone. In what other wars have they offered their opinion? The Lancet did not agree with or vouch for anything in that letter to the editor. They did not review it.

Show us examples where else this "formula" has been previously utilized such that it is standard? You have been unable to provide a single example. And just like Einstein came up with E=mC squared, who came up with this formula? In what year? You are just BSing. You can't answer those questions.
Go to the Lancet piece, Shazi.
Read the entire thing.
Check the sources listed at the bottom.
Click on the links to those sources.
Read them.
If that's not enough, check out sources sited in those pieces.

That is the basics of research.
Do it and until then STFU.
Your ignorance is loud and boring.

 

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Counting dead in the field of combat is not medicine. They are out of their area of expertise. They never visited the war zone. In what other wars have they offered their opinion? The Lancet did not agree with or vouch for anything in that letter to the editor. They did not review it.

Show us examples where else this "formula" has been previously utilized such that it is standard? You have been unable to provide a single example. And just like Einstein came up with E=mC squared, who came up with this formula? In what year? You are just BSing. You can't answer those questions.
The Lancet correspondence (should you wish to review it) is here: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

The relevant paragraph about estimating the death - direct and indirect - caused by the conflict to that point is as follows.

In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death9 to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza.
That citation is to this paper about the Global Burden of Armed Violence.

Specifically, it appears to be referencing table 2.3 on page 40.
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You will see that the numbers there for the ratio track with what they are claiming.

So it is a single source (although that table is sourced to multiple other sources of data) that they are using to justify the range. From that range they did, indeed, pick a reasonably conservative number.

But this does clarify that all that letter to the Lancet is, is an educated guess about what the number might be.
 
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The Lancet correspondence (should you wish to review it) is here: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

The relevant paragraph about estimating the death - direct and indirect - caused by the conflict to that point is as follows.



That citation is to this paper about the Global Burden of Armed Violence.

Specifically, it appears to be referencing table 2.3 on page 40.
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You will see that the numbers there for the ratio track with what they are claiming.

So it is a single source (although that table is sourced to multiple other sources of data) that they are using to justify the range. From that range they did, indeed, pick a reasonably conservative number.

But this does clarify that all that letter to the Lancet is, is an educated guess about what the number might be.
But given that Israel has killed most of the journalists in Gaza and destroyed pretty much all of the hospitals where the counting of dead is done, educated guesses are what we are left with.

Nobody can count how many are missing, how many are buried in rubble and how many are close to death from injury, starvation or disease.
 

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Go to the Lancet piece, Shazi.
Read the entire thing.
I did and I never saw one comment from the Lancet itself vouching for what was written. Nothing will change the fact that your phony headline was just an out and out lie.
 

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But given that Israel has killed most of the journalists in Gaza and destroyed pretty much all of the hospitals where the counting of dead is done, educated guesses are what we are left with.

Nobody can count how many are missing, how many are buried in rubble and how many are close to death from injury, starvation or disease.
Hamas shouldn't have attacked on October 7... we won't be guessing how many deaths where how.
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But this does clarify that all that letter to the Lancet is, is an educated guess about what the number might be.
Yet they never attributed blame to either side. They are casualties of a war. Geno would have us believe that all deaths are Israel's fault and Israel's only.
 

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You didn't check the sources.
Neither the article nor the sources assign blame for any of the deaths.

Your headline falsely said that Israel killed them all. The study, as flawed as it may be, was estimating how many casualties of war there were. No blame to either side was ascribed.
 

shack

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If Israel wasn't occupying Palestine illegally Hamas wouldn't have attacked.
Speculation. Can't be proven.

Eradicating Jews and "liberating" Palis from the river to the sea is the stated goal. Most likely, terror attacks were always in the game plan.
 

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Oh, for fucks sake Franky, just admit you hate Jews and you want them all dead.
 

shack

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I guess the UN will have to do some investigating to see who's been dropping all those bombs on Gaza.
I suppose, but up until now they have issued no resolutions condemning Israel of committing genocide. Your claims of Israeli genocide are BOGUS.
 
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