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I believe those stats. But not for the same reason. First I believe that given the global pattern of HIV infection, that these stats are underreported in the black community. I think that like everything else, black men don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves, and don't give a shit if they hurt anyone with their behaviours. That's why you see all these shooting by black people, all the innocent bystanders that they don't give a fuck about that get hurt in the crossfire, all the babies that get shot, and all the people just walking by that get killed (like Jane Creba, the eaton centre shootings, the "I ran out of watermelon, so I'll shoot everybody" bbq in scarbourough, etc. for example).

Because of this I believe black men are less likely to get tested for HIV and infect their partners regardless. I also think that white people are more likely to get tested, and thus the stats for this group are probably accurately reported. I also think that these stats are telling of the number of white women black men are likely to infect, and the number of truly stupid white women who would sleep with them and think that the reality of AIDS in this community won't affect them. I think what would be more telling is if there were stats on the number of white women that were infected by black men that have HIV. I would be willing to bet it would be around 80-90%.

Youre going to tell me that the stats everywhere else in the world are wrong, and Canada's stats when it come to black people and HIV are accurate? It's being underreported in this community.

Plus, those stats that you are quoting are referring to NEWLY HIV infected individuals, not the total number of infected. So I still believe it supports my view - that there are a lot of black men that already have HIV that are fucking super super stupid dumb as fuck white girls and infecting them.

Additionally, this just came out:

http://healthandfitness.sympatico.c..._high_hiv_infection_in_black_gay_men/aeaf1f68

However, I believe that this applies to the black community (gay or not) globally, as well as here and in the States.
First off wow is all I can say reading your post. But I'm going to keep this all above the belt. By that I mean skipping over the numerous offensive comments and stick to the stats part.

Are the people who get infected by the black men who don't report also silent? Typically when someone contracts AIDS I though the standard practice was to try and identify partners.

And the white women who are a growing area it has been attributed to women having unprotected sex with their partners who are cheating.

You can't assume that stats are the same country to country.

For comparisons to various cities in North America, in 2007 for example, the homicide rate for the city of Toronto was 3.3 per 100,000 people, yet for Detroit (33.8), Atlanta (19.7), Chicago (15.5), San Francisco (13.6), Boston (10.3) and New York City (6.3) it was higher, while it was only marginally lower in Vancouver (3.1), San Jose (2.9) and Montreal (2.6).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Toronto

My point here is that nyc is considered to be vastly improved yet it has a murder rate double Toronto's. City to city, country to country murder rates are different. Much like literacy, poverty and hiv infection.
 

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I would bet most new HIV infections are the result of injection drug use, and that the reason more blacks are infected is involvement in hard drugs.
Actually I read the opposite that hiv from drug use was not wores in poor urban areas in the US as many would assume. I'll see if I can find that article again....

not the info but still interesting....

Roughly one tenth of new HIV infections result from needle sharing, with this figure rising to just under a third outside of sub-Saharan Africa.18 One study estimates that just under one-in-five IDUs globally may be infected with HIV.19 Among the regions where injecting drug use accounts for a majority or highly significant share of HIV prevalence are:20
Eastern Europe and Central Asia Russia: 83%
Kyrgyzstan: 75%
Kazakhstan: 73.6%
Ukraine: 64.1%

East and South-East Asia Malaysia: 72%
Indonesia: 54%
Vietnam: 52%
China: 44.3%


In many other parts of Asia, the Middle East and the Southern cone of Latin America, the sharing of injecting equipment is the primary route of HIV transmission

GUESS I WAS WRONG..... IDU was third for cause of intection but a little over half of the survey was black.

In 2007, injection-drug use was the third most frequently reported risk factor for HIV infection in the United States, after male-to-male sexual contact and high-risk heterosexual contact (1). To characterize HIV-infected IDUs aged ≥13 years in the United States, CDC analyzed data from the national notifiable disease reporting system for 2004--2007 from the 34 states that had conducted confidential, name-based HIV surveillance since at least 2003. The results of that analysis indicated that, during 2004--2007, 62.2% of IDUs with a new diagnosis of HIV infection were males, 57.5% were blacks or African Americans, and 74.8% lived in urban areas at the time of their HIV diagnosis. In addition, during 2004--2006, approximately 40% of HIV-infected IDUs received late HIV diagnoses (i.e., diagnosis of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome [AIDS] <12 months after the date of HIV diagnosis).
 

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Just curious, but are you saying more Blacks are involved in hard drugs then whites are??
I don't know of any data that singles them out, but they're poorer, and poorer people tend to be more involved in hard drugs. (Edit: Well frank's post above mine has some data that lots of blacks are getting infected this way.) In other words, I expect those HIV infections are happening among poor blacks who are involved with drugs. Maybe had drug use is linked with gang activities but I don't know that, it could be though.

Most HIV infections these days are injection drug related. Most people have got the message about unprotected sex with strangers and that vector has been significantly reduced. In North America anyway, in 3rd world countries probably something different happening there.
 

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I don't know of any data that singles them out, but they're poorer, and poorer people tend to be more involved in hard drugs. (Edit: Well frank's post above mine has some data that lots of blacks are getting infected this way.) In other words, I expect those HIV infections are happening among poor blacks who are involved with drugs. Maybe had drug use is linked with gang activities but I don't know that, it could be though.

Most HIV infections these days are injection drug related. Most people have got the message about unprotected sex with strangers and that vector has been significantly reduced. In North America anyway, in 3rd world countries probably something different happening there.
■Injection drug use exposure accounted for 17.7% of cumulative adult HIV case reports and 8.6% of cumulative adult AIDS cases up to December 31, 2008.
■Over the last decade, a decreasing trend in the proportion of positive HIV tests attributed to injection drug use among men has been noted; however, an increasing trend among women has been observed since 2003.
■The 2008 national HIV estimates indicate that the proportion of new HIV infections attributed to injecting drug use (17%) was slightly higher than the estimate in 2005 (16%).
■High levels of risky injection and sexual behaviours were reported in surveillance data and other cross-sectional and cohort studies, which suggest that the potential for transmission of HIV among people who inject drugs (IDU) continues to be significant.
■Research suggests that among IDU, Aboriginal people are disproportionately affected by HIV.
■High levels of injecting and sexual risk behaviours among younger IDU (less than 30 years) are reported across targeted studies, illustrating that this at-risk IDU population is particularly vulnerable to HIV.
 

frankcastle

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I don't know of any data that singles them out, but they're poorer, and poorer people tend to be more involved in hard drugs. (Edit: Well frank's post above mine has some data that lots of blacks are getting infected this way.) In other words, I expect those HIV infections are happening among poor blacks who are involved with drugs. Maybe had drug use is linked with gang activities but I don't know that, it could be though.

Most HIV infections these days are injection drug related. Most people have got the message about unprotected sex with strangers and that vector has been significantly reduced. In North America anyway, in 3rd world countries probably something different happening there.
2008, the MSM (men who have sex with men) exposure category continued to account for the largest proportion of positive HIV test reports among adults, representing 45.1% (557) of positive tests reported
 

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Black and Aboriginal women are disproportionately affected by AIDS relative to women of other ethnic or racial background. Between 1979 and 2008, of cases (all ages) reported as Black or Aboriginal, 35.2% and 29.0% respectively were female. This is in comparison with the 9.9% overall proportion of females among all AIDS cases. Among White, Asian/Arab and Latin American AIDS cases, 6.2%, 8.1% and 8.4% of cases respectively were female.

While it is expected that Ontario and Quebec would have the highest proportion of cases based on the geographic location of the Black population in Canada (see Figure 2), the number of reported AIDS cases are not distributed proportionally between the two provinces. Which approximately 62.1% of the Black population in Canada resides in Ontario [4], the proportion of AIDS cases for the HIV-endemic exposure subcategory is approximately xv A similar distinction for positive HIV test reports could not be reported due to data limitations. 36.1% [5]. Quebec on the other hand has approximately 23.0% of the Black population in Canada [4], but 55.3% of the national proportion of AIDS cases [5]. This suggests that the Black population in Quebec seems to be overrepresented in its proportion of AIDS cases.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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That will solve things
It might not solve things, but cops are at least doing something.

Police blitz for Toronto: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/26/police-blitz-for-toronto

Toronto Police are investing $2 million to put hundreds of officers into gangs-and guns-plagued neighbourhoods after a wave of shootings.

Chief Bill Blair announced Thursday that 456 officers will be at downtown Caribbean Festival sites, 350 along the parade route Aug. 4, plus “significant” undercover teams seeking known criminals and hotheads.

After the 45th Caribana, which attracts 1 million visitors, 329 extra patrol officers will work “mandatory overtime” to keep troubled communities safe before high schools reopen Sept. 9, he told reporters.

“This is unprecedented,” but recent gang-style deadly gunfire “requires this response,” he said.

Blair said planning for the “new summer initiative,” including consulting community groups, began before the city’s worst mass shooting on July 16 on Danzig St., which left two people dead and 23 wounded.

“Our intent is not to over-police our communities, our intent is to overprotect them,” he said.

Lauding Premier Dalton McGuinty for renewing $5 million a year for the Toronto Anti-Violence Intervention Strategy (TAVIS) unit, Blair said money for extra patrols comes from “within our 2012 budget,” with some other policing functions necessarily reduced.

Police will also attend known events which — through community tips plus increased monitoring of Twitter and Facebook sites popular with young people — are identified as potential troublespots.

“I’m not sure we have to stand and police every barbecue,” Blair said. “If we get any kind of information there’s a risk, we’ll be there to mitigate.”

People fear reprisals, but safety requires co-operation, including testifying so gunmen can be jailed, he said. “If you know of a young person with a gun, you have to let us know.”

Agreeing some people distrust police, Blair said good relations have been established before in low-income public housing areas.

“Additional policing in your community is for your safety,” Audrey Campbell, president of the Jamaican Canadian Association, said. “Good, decent people are being caught in the crossfire.’

Campbell also said “we want to ensure that social programs continue. Social programs are also important in terms of prevention.”

Tropicana Community Services Toronto executive director Sharon Shelton said 1,600 youths got jobs this summer, providing skills, self-respect and hope.

Asking officers to show respect for decent people “in focused communities,” often in poverty, Shelton asked for residents “to take the lead and form partnerships, working with police ... even if you feel they have let you down in the past.”
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Another shooting last night. At least the summer is almost over so maybe things will quiet down:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/1253737--man-shot-to-death-in-east-end-apartment-building

A 26-year-old man is dead after he was found with a gunshot wound in the fifth floor hallway of an east-end apartment building, according to Toronto police.

Police found the man at 11 Main St at Kingston Rd. Saturday night.

He was rushed to a Toronto trauma centre in life-threatening condition shortly after 11 p.m.

He succumbed to his injuries in hospital, police said.

The victim’s identity won’t be released until the next of kin is notified
 

Phil C. McNasty

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2 more guys shot dead last night: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/18/two-men-shot-dead-in-rexdale

Two men were gunned down in Rexdale early Tuesday.

Toronto Police say officers responded to a call for the sound of gunshots around 1:30 a.m. at a townhouse complex on Jamestown Cr., near Martin Grove Rd. and Finch Ave. W.

The officers searched the complex and found the two victims in a laneway between a row of houses.

Both men were pronounced dead at the scene, becoming the city’s 39th and 40th murder victims of the year.

Their names and ages were not immediately released
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Charges filed:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cri...e-youth-with-2-counts-of-second-degree-murder

Danzig St. shootings: Police charge boy with 2 counts of second-degree murder

Toronto police have charged a 17-year-old boy with two counts of second-degree murder in July’s mass shooting at a Scarborough street party.

The youth, whose name cannot be published under the Youth Criminal Justice Act, was arrested Thursday and was scheduled to appear in court Friday afternoon.

He has also been charged with one count of attempted murder, 22 counts of aggravated assault and recklessly discharging a firearm in connection with the shootout at the Danzig St. party.

The Star has learned he is the same youth who was shot in early September while riding a bicycle along Chester Le. Ave in Scarborough. In that case, a 16-year-old boy with connections to another alleged Danzig St. shooter was charged with attempted murder days later.

The 17-year-old is the third person to face murder charges in the Danzig St. shootings.

Nahom Tsegazab, 19, was charged Thursday with two counts of second-degree murder.

Tsegazab, who goes by the name “Gifted,” was also charged with one count of attempted murder and 22 counts of aggravated assault. He had been in custody since days after the July 16 shooting, when he was charged with reckless discharge of a firearm.

Court documents show the attempted murder charge against Tsegazab is in relation to the 17-year-old boy who was charged Friday. That same 17-year-old was also shot at the Danzig party.

Toronto police have alleged that Tsegazab is a member of the Galloway Boys street gang.

Tsegazab, who was also shot the night of the party, appeared briefly in a Scarborough court Thursday afternoon wearing an orange jumpsuit, handcuffs and a grim expression. He was remanded into custody and is scheduled to return late next week.

Earlier this month, police charged 18-year-old Shaquan “Bam Bam” Mesquito with two counts of first-degree murder, one count of attempted murder in relation to the shooting of Tsegazab, and 23 counts of aggravated assault.

Police allege Mesquito is a member of the Malvern Crew, a rival gang to the Galloway Boys.

Police say guns were pulled when an altercation broke out between rival gangs after a member of the Malvern Crew was turned away from the Danzig St. party and returned with reinforcements.

Shyanne Charles, 14, and Joshua Yasay, 23, were killed in the gunfire.

Investigators are not necessarily alleging that Tsegazab fired the bullets that killed Charles or Yasay, but rather that his actions may have contributed to their deaths


Nahom Tsegazab:

 
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