GOP: Trump is a "textbook racist"
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Ironic that you quote a man who was an atrocious governor, a slimely politician who does political favours for criminals who happen to be his friends, and someone that has an actual long history of making racist statements engaging in sexual harassment/mysoginy, and was busted for being a flanderer. Maria Shriver got what she deserved for literally sleeping with a flea.
If Arnie vouches for somebody, it's a reason to take an even closer look at them.
Trump was put on a leash tonight. After flubbing it several days in a row, and as Republican luminaries began turning on their own nominee, Trump's aides chained him to a teleprompter to prevent him from imploding.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_575772c0e4b08f74f6c092b7
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_575772c0e4b08f74f6c092b7
Paul Ryan weighs in:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/us/politics/paul-ryan-donald-trump-gonzalo-curiel.html?_r=0
"Cousin Domenic" took Giant Coward's (my moniker) attack on John McCain hard. Nam vets are a closely knit group, he considers the Republican Senator his brother. From that day forward he refers to Giant Coward as Cunt, not The Cunt since he is not deserving of such a lofty title. Giant Coward is a spineless, degenerate egomaniac. While Cousin Dominic was tracking the Ho Chi Minh Trail and John McCain toughing it out at the Hanoi Hilton, Giant Coward was at his posh penthouse eating cream puffs.
Btw, we nearly lost Cousin Dominic a few years ago. He passed out on the Rome subway. Me and my Italian cousin go him out, I stayed with him and Mrs. Domenic (who couldn't stop crying) while he went to fetch a doctor. Hours later the doc told us that he had a massive panic attack and asked if he had gone through a traumatic event in his past. Sounds like a sick joke eh.
May Giant Coward be dragged to hell, to sweat to the oldies in short shorts for eternity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It7107ELQvY
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/us/politics/paul-ryan-donald-trump-gonzalo-curiel.html?_r=0
"Cousin Domenic" took Giant Coward's (my moniker) attack on John McCain hard. Nam vets are a closely knit group, he considers the Republican Senator his brother. From that day forward he refers to Giant Coward as Cunt, not The Cunt since he is not deserving of such a lofty title. Giant Coward is a spineless, degenerate egomaniac. While Cousin Dominic was tracking the Ho Chi Minh Trail and John McCain toughing it out at the Hanoi Hilton, Giant Coward was at his posh penthouse eating cream puffs.
Btw, we nearly lost Cousin Dominic a few years ago. He passed out on the Rome subway. Me and my Italian cousin go him out, I stayed with him and Mrs. Domenic (who couldn't stop crying) while he went to fetch a doctor. Hours later the doc told us that he had a massive panic attack and asked if he had gone through a traumatic event in his past. Sounds like a sick joke eh.
May Giant Coward be dragged to hell, to sweat to the oldies in short shorts for eternity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It7107ELQvY
Just to show that I'm not in the same "argue black is white until you're blue in the face" headspace that Fuji lives in, while I disagree with Ryan's comments (what Trump said was not racist, and frankly Ryan called him a racist for purely political reasons), I agree with your criticism of his comments about McCain. I cannot agree that someone is a lesser soldier, and their service less valued, because they were captured. That was a stupid thing to say. And I agree that Trump has said a bunch of stupid things (or in some cases, things that weren't stupid to think, but were stupid to say). I also believe that he is a blowhard who will not be able to accomplish many of the things he claims he will do (not that dissimilar to any politician). However, the people who want to ramp up his egotism and stupidity into something more venal like racism or sexism are not convincing, and their motives for attempting to so are transparent. I'm much more worried about what people like that would do with real power than I am about what Trump would do.
Or you hurling out the term "racist" over and over like a broken record.
I think the point that Trump is trying to make is that the judge is biased.
Wrong again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexicans
Mexicans include a number of races, but the largest racial group in Mexico are persons of mixed race. Although indigenous Mexicans tend to be lumped together for purposes of statistics, they are themselves a diverse group. They do not share all of the same physical characteristics and speak 62 different languages.
You will know that what lawyers can say about judges is very different than what ordinary citizens can say. You will also know that bias motions are brought in court for various reasons, including over what personal interests a judge may have, or may appear to have, in the outcome of the case. Some motions succeed (or succeed on appeal). The vast majority fail. Lawyers are not routinely disciplined for bringing such motions simply because they fail. Lawyers are expected to vigorously represent the interests of their clients.
However, Trump's lawyers have not yet brought any motion to have the judge removed.
Trump's campaign is trying to lay some of America's problems at the feet of illegal immigrants, but equally at the feet of politicians who didn't do enough (or anything) to curtail illegal immigration. He has not blamed Mexican Americans who entered the US legally for anything. He has not said anything to the effect that there is some disposition of Mexicans that makes them unsuitable to be Americans (judges or otherwise). His attack is not on Mexicans as a race (if it even were a race) or as an ethnicity. It's on illegal aliens. It just happens that most illegal aliens are coming from Mexico. However, he has said that he will deport all illegal aliens, not just those from Mexico. This is not racism. That's a "law and order" agenda.
Trump's criticism of the judge is based on the idea that a judge of Mexican heritage would be likely to sympathize with the, apparently, millions of Mexican Americans (illegal or otherwise) who are opposed to mass deportation of Mexican illegals. Without running to the issue about whether Trump is actually correct about this judge's views or motivations, or whether he can prove any part of his claim, can you really not understand the chain of reasoning here? It seems rational to me. However, not all rational thoughts turn out to be correct, and that's why the standard for a successful bias motion is as high a bar as it is. Mere suspicion, even if rational, is not enough.
You are forgetting that judges are trained to be impartial and to deal with FACTS.
By your logic any time there is a case of a man vs. a woman and there is a woman judge, the male should have the judge removed from the case because she is a woman and therefore must be biased against men. Perfect analogy.
Regardless, what is Trump worried about? He has declared many, many times that the Latinos love him. They were voting for him in the primaries.
Agree with you and Oagre on this.
Further, quite telling is that Donald Trump's lawyers have filed no motions alleging bias in this case. Part of Donald Trump's M.O. is that he frequently publicly attacks judges and/or juries that find against him.
What makes this particular incident stand out is the own goal on the part of Donald Trump. He has a 'beef' with the Judge big deal, but when he extraneously brings up the judges name and ethnicity that runs contrary to the entire development of the American state since before independence (indeed of Canada as well).
I disagree that Clinton is going to do that I believe she is more likely to move to the left.
The real opportunity for good or ill lies with The Libertarian ticket Governors Johnson and Weld, who in most ways are far more mainstream Republicans than is Donald Trump.
There's nothing about judges that I have forgotten. Judges are not "trained to be impartial". Judges are lawyers that are appointed based on a recommendation process. The law requires them to conduct hearings according to law and decide cases according to law. The law requires them to recuse themselves, either on their own motion or that of a party litigant where their personal interest in the outcome of a proceeding would prevent them, or would appear to prevent them, from applying the law without bias towards the outcome they would personally desire.
Second of all, I have not said that a recusal motion, if brought by Trump, should succeed. Since I've made this point more than once, I have to question whether you even read my posts in their entirety. My point has to do with whether Trump's complaint can be properly characterized as racism, not whether the judge should actually step down.
Your analogy misses the mark. No one believes that women always side with other women against men (not even, I would venture, CanadaMan), regardless of the issue (for example, there is considerable evidence to suggest that at least some women can be extremely judgmental when it comes to the conduct of other women). However, if I chose a specific issue, there might be a reasonable belief that a woman may be more likely to side with a woman over a man. And if I chose a very specific woman's issue (like the idea that men are predisposed to violence against women) that a specific woman judge had advocated in favour of throughout her career as counsel, I think it would be quite a reasonable conclusion that such a judge would be unlikely to give an unbiased hearing to arguments to the contrary being presented on behalf of a man in her court. That's what Trump has been talking about. A specific issue and a specific judge. Has he got the evidence to support a motion? He hasn't presented it yet. My own prediction is that he never will. I think all he was really up to was to take a page out of Al Czervik's (Rodney Dangerfield) playbook - "Keep it fair, keep it fair". (Sheer coincidence that they're both real estate developers? I wonder if Rodney has ever commented about his inspiration for the role?)
You are correct that Trump is not worried that all latinos dislike him. First of all, there are plenty of latino Americans who are not of Mexican heritage (Cubans, Puerto Ricans, etc.). He's not wrong that many latinos have been voting for him throughout the primaries. (You may be interested to know that, for whatever reason, other latinos frequently dislike Mexicans. If you want to really offend a Spanish speaking person from any other Central or South American country, just refer to them as a Mexican, and see what happens!) However, Trump also knows that there are many Mexican Americans, particularly those who came to the US illegally, who would stop at nothing to ensure that he does not become president.
Yes. Whether those judges are white, men, of German descent, or otherwise. Now you're starting to get it.
Don't you know the difference between tunnel-visioned, confirmation biased, self-centred egotist rationalization and racism?
Oh right, I forgot who I was talking to!
