Ghomeshi?

You are not understanding. The accusers are simply not credible. Any sentient being could see that. The judge went out of his way to make this clear. To express the opinion that this was insufficient to convict Gomeshi is reasonable comment. Part of your conclusion jump was to state with no supporting facts that anyone said "a client who expressed happiness that a known physically abusive individual was acquitted of assault charges". Keep making it up as you go. It makes good reading.

I guess you don't understand how sensitive a subject this is for women. Your not the one waking up in the morning with bruises and realising what you got yourself, involved with.
This guy, how smart he may be, is a predator. And I don't say this lightly. Accounts of these types I've heard often from women. This guy has a deep seeded Insecurity with women.
 
And yet, that's how the ladies see it. So coming from that perspective, I think it's perfectly justifiable for them to want to unfollow men expressing that perspective, and try to avoid taking them on as clients.

I understand fully well that the witnesses perjured themselves and their testimony was thus insufficient to convict Ghomeshi. The judge in the case is reputable and in no way wrong to rule the way he did given the situation. The prosecution did a shit job preparing them, and likely didn't understand how victims often react to abuse; it's absolutely no surprise to me that some of them remained in contact with Ghomeshi after the fact. The reality is, it doesn't matter if a woman continues to be in contact with a man that physically assaults her or not; consent isn't retroactive. You punch a woman in the stomach unsolicited, you abused her.

If the prosecution did a better job, they would've been able to get at the details that the defense managed to get at instead, and prepared accordingly. But they didn't. So here's hoping for a better job in June's trial.

In the mean time, a TON of people - men and women - are reasonably disturbed about this, and the correct tone is sympathy for anyone who feels affected. Not Twitter celebrations waved in the face of SP's who risk their own safety every day they're working to provide a service we all enjoy and appreciate. Jesus.

Again, making it up as you go along. There was no mention of celebrations and I challenge you to find one now that you have stated they exist. You have a POV that you are creating "facts" to support. You can have the last word. You seem to need it.
 
You are right about Twitter. Some of the ladies are "unfollowing" men that have anything to say that agrees with the verdict. One of them is a well known lady on tis board that I was about to book, but not now. If you are against civilized diversity of opinion I do not want to spend time with you.

If the legal system were to accede to the desires of the protesters every trial of a man accused of a sexual or sex related crime would START with these words "Having been found guilty....."

Well stated!

Aren't they doing us a favor by reveling their truth. Why would anyone want to spend a second of time with someone who does not respect that you are an individual and have the right to an opinion, particularly when the facts are quite clear.

I don't care how banging the pussy is, and I'd never sell my soul to the devil for it. Its quite pathetic that some are quite successful spreading fear and intimidation to the guys in their circles thus many are afraid to voice their opinions in fear of their rejection.

The fear and intimidated tactic is the best way to judge a persons core and character who is initiating it. So what they are saying is they support changing your mind after a consensual sexual activity took place based on the judgment and fact, they support conspiracy and collusion because they are women and if you say anything or even hint at it that you do not see their POVs you will loose their friendship, their business and might even become their enemy.

Hmmm interesting set of events towards equality and progression of equality.
 
And yet, that's how the ladies see it. So coming from that perspective, I think it's perfectly justifiable for them to want to unfollow men expressing that perspective, and try to avoid taking them on as clients.

I understand fully well that the witnesses perjured themselves and their testimony was thus insufficient to convict Ghomeshi. The judge in the case is reputable and in no way wrong to rule the way he did given the situation. The prosecution did a shit job preparing them, and likely didn't understand how victims often react to abuse; it's absolutely no surprise to me that some of them remained in contact with Ghomeshi after the fact. The reality is, it doesn't matter if a woman continues to be in contact with a man that physically assaults her or not; consent isn't retroactive. You punch a woman in the stomach unsolicited, you abused her.

If the prosecution did a better job, they would've been able to get at the details that the defense managed to get at instead, and prepared accordingly. But they didn't. So here's hoping for a better job in June's trial.

In the mean time, a TON of people - men and women - are reasonably disturbed about this, and the correct tone is sympathy for anyone who feels affected. Not Twitter celebrations waved in the face of SP's who risk their own safety every day they're working to provide a service we all enjoy and appreciate. Jesus.

I disagree.

The Prosecution worked with what they had. I'm sure they were blind sided by the evidence the defence brought forward in the case. They had 3 women who either regretted being with JG, or, in the case of Lucy Decoutere simply were scorned and then wanted to teach JG a lesson. The judge in his verdict used the word "credible" 10 times apparently when referring to the witnesses. I think this is exactly the case. The witnesses simply were not credible, i.e they were not believable.

They withheld evidence.

They lied about what happened.

They manipulated their stories

They changed their stories.

They were not fully truthful.

They did not tell the police the whole truth.

It would not have mattered one iota if the Prosecution "did a better job". They were dealing with 3 women with agendas and 3 liars. You can't work with that no matter what. If ANYONE is to blame, it's the police. They needed to investigate the complaints a lot more thoroughly. They needed to ask a lot more questions, simple questions actually, like, "did you continue seeing him after the alleged incident?" "Did you have any other sexual contact with him (like give him a hand job a week later). I know this is common sense, but I'm also betting that the police have to operate with kid gloves when it comes to sexual assault complaints. They can't ask about hand jobs and things like that. But there in lies the problem. The cops are hamstrung by the system and the system is set up to always believe women who accuse men of sexual assault no matter what. So this is the result. It goes to trial and the crown is made to look like a bunch of fools. The truth is women lie. They lie more than men and they tell big lies. The cops being "nice guys" really aren't doing anyone any favours in this regard.

I'm sure that if the crown new everything, they would have never charged Ghomeshi in the first place.

And yes, I'm disturbed about this case. I'm disturbed that they have essentially destroyed Ghomeshi. I disturbed that it ever went to trial. I'm disturbed that the whole thing has the appearance of a witch hunt. Ghomeshi was a pseudo celebrity and the system figured that they would make an example of him to show how "progressive" we are. Thank Jesus that the courts don't work like this. They still require the burden of proof and truth, two things that were sorely lacking in this case from the onset.

Women today demand equality. I have no problem with that. But if you want equality, then you have to take the downside that comes with that. You want to be equal to men, fine. You need to stand up in court and be questioned like a man and if your story is full of holes, then it goes right out the window. Just like it would if you were a man. Women have to learn that you can't have it both ways. The burden of proof must be the same whether you're a woman or a man.
 
In watching the case, I have to say that I find Lucy Decoutere to be completely reprehensible and a complete publicity whore. She chased after Ghomeshi for almost 2 years after the incident. She wrote him love letters, she hung out with him socially, she sent him flowers, she sang with him, and she sends him an email saying, "you kicked the shit out of me the other night and that makes me want to fuck your brains out"

Short of signing a contract with him allowing him to have his way with her, what more do you want?

Only when he tossed her to the curb did she get upset and then she conspired to show him who was boss.

Every chance she had to get in front of the camera, she did. Even yesterday, there she was at the trial, walking out front of the court house smirking at the camera, and there she was making statements to the media. No wonder he wanted nothing to do with her all those years ago. She's a nut case.
 
Because if that's not the kind of thing you were referring to in your quote above, then you're minimizing the actual issue this discussion is centered on.
I was speaking generally about what passes for sexual assault and sexual harassment to-day. Our company has a "no hugging" policy. Why, because one of our employees was offended by the sight of another employee giving another employee a consensual neck massage. Hence, the company policy is no physical contact between staff or customers or suppliers (ok, maybe a handshake.).
 
Unfortunately these 3 women have made a mockery of our justice system, wasted tax payers money, and also made a mock of all other real sexual assault victims.
These three women did not fully disclose everything because they know if they had the case would not even have gone to the courts. They did this willfully.

I do not know Gian Ghomeshi like the many of you do :rolleyes: to know that he is a prick or to know that he had this coming to him and are not shocked that this happened. But I do know a few things though.
The 3 accusers lied about many things to bolster their case. The fact that one of the witnesses forgot to mention she had sexual interaction with Gian Ghomeshi after the alleged assault, the fact that another forgot to mention that she had sent him emails with racy bikini picture after the alleged assault, the fact that two of the witnesses had exchanged over 5000 messages between one another in collusion to bring him down and miraculously had forgot to mention it to any investigators would be enough for any judge to find him not guilty.

It is truly disturbing that investigators did not do their due dilligence to find more evidence and to see if these 3 lying woman left out any details. The outcry from protestors should not be directed at Ghomeshi or the judge but rather at these women for their willful lying about the facts surrounding this case.

Again consensual rough sex or BDSM is not and should not be considered sexual assault, feeling bad about what you did or becoming hateful towards the person that you did this with does and should not give any woman the right to falsely accuse or lie about facts to get a person convicted of sexual assault. Let's remember that.
 
We need to see the racy bikini photo. The public has a right to see. If they want they can crop out the face.
 
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In watching the case, I have to say that I find Lucy Decoutere to be completely reprehensible and a complete publicity whore. She chased after Ghomeshi for almost 2 years after the incident. She wrote him love letters, she hung out with him socially, she sent him flowers, she sang with him, and she sends him an email saying, "you kicked the shit out of me the other night and that makes me want to fuck your brains out"

Short of signing a contract with him allowing him to have his way with her, what more do you want?

Only when he tossed her to the curb did she get upset and then she conspired to show him who was boss.

Every chance she had to get in front of the camera, she did. Even yesterday, there she was at the trial, walking out front of the court house smirking at the camera, and there she was making statements to the media. No wonder he wanted nothing to do with her all those years ago. She's a nut case.

She also addressed the protest crowd at police HQ. A sort of sisters together speech. Really, what right minded woman would see her a a sister? That said, I think Gomeshi did cross the line and I hope that his next trial in June is more equitable and that the complainant is credible, forthright and has no skeletons in her closet. The nature of the complaint might be a little different (?) as it is workplace oriented. Then again, it could be the same rough stuff.

It will be interesting to see if Lucy Decoutere has any trouble finding acting gigs in the future.
 
I was speaking generally about what passes for sexual assault and sexual harassment to-day. Our company has a "no hugging" policy. Why, because one of our employees was offended by the sight of another employee giving another employee a consensual neck massage. Hence, the company policy is no physical contact between staff or customers or suppliers (ok, maybe a handshake.).

LOL Ok so fuk the Italians and the French. My gawd where do we start, let alone where do we begin.
 
LOL Ok so fuk the Italians and the French. My gawd where do we start, let alone where do we begin.
Be afraid, be very afraid of what you do or say. It could land you in from of the Human Rights Tribunal.

Asking that cute receptionist more than once for a date is sexual harassment. Actually, asking her even once is sexual harassment if she doesn't like you.
 
Be afraid, be very afraid of what you do or say. It could land you in from of the Human Rights Tribunal.

Asking that cute receptionist more than once for a date is sexual harassment. Actually, asking her even once is sexual harassment if she doesn't like you.

This is where some men are intimated. There's nothing wrong in flirting, good gawd have we adopted a sociality that does not respond to sexual innuendos.
 
The whole thing is crappy.
Ghomeshi is known as a bit of slime ball, perhaps its not so surprising that the women attracted to him were also slime balls or climbers.
None of them are good role models for the human race.
 
The whole thing is crappy.
Ghomeshi is known as a bit of slime ball, perhaps its not so surprising that the women attracted to him were also slime balls or climbers.
None of them are good role models for the human race.

Yes Frank, you pretty much have summed this whole thing up, I'm positive that there must have been some credible witnesses somewhere.
But in all fairness to them, who would want to be exposed to this type of scrutiny.
 
About one in 10 said they strongly approved of the verdict, followed by almost one-quarter who indicated they somewhat approved.

Another 11% were unsure about the verdict.

The firm polled 964 men and 1,053 women.

It found almost half of the men disapproved of the verdict, compared to 57% of women.

Maggi said he was most surprised by the number of people who said their confidence in the criminal justice system had gone down since the Ghomeshi trial and verdict.

“I genuinely believed that we would see a lot more people saying that this had decreased their confidence in the criminal justice system, and really it didn’t come out that high,” he said.

Almost four in 10 people said the trial left them with lower confidence in the system, with the decrease more pronounced among women.

Almost seven in 10 people said they followed Ghomeshi’s legal troubles either very closely or somewhat closely.

The former CBC star is scheduled for another trial in June on one charge of sex assault.

The poll had a margin of error of 2.2%, 19 times out of 20.
 
“I genuinely believed that we would see a lot more people saying that this had decreased their confidence in the criminal justice system, and really it didn’t come out that high,” he said.
I think there should be a statute of limitation on charging someone for sexual harassment. It's not really fair for a woman to wake up one day 10 years later and say I was sexually harassed in 2002.