Ghomeshi?

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This ^^

The Feminazi's, White Knights and SJW's will fume for a little while after this verdict. But in a few weeks when their emotions have calmed somewhat, most of them will probably realize this is the right verdict

Exatafuckinglee!!!!

What they don't realize is that they are actually doing disservices to their communities and fellow females by protesting and trying to get these women above the law. They are actually treating them now unequally compared to the rest of the society and are setting back the women progression and movement and doing exactly what they are protesting against. This is the worst mistake. Same like guys think a girl needs saving and turn into white knights unknowingly sometimes. They don't need saving they just need sometimes support so it enables them to make the decision they want to even if it goes against the perceived progression. Any adult and mentally competent person needs to be free to make their own decisions and be treated equally in the system especially in the legal system. The BLM do this too by holding back their communities and treating their members unequally and holding their progression and equal treatment back. IMO this is the wrong approach. People need the tools and support to make their own decisions and if they break the laws need to be treated equally despite race religion and/or sex.

 

[K Douglas]

Don't see any of the ladies on the board chiming in. Based on what I've seen on twitter they are appalled at the verdict because it felt like the women were the ones on trial. According to their logic we should unequivocally believe that if a woman accuses a man of rape/sexual assault then we must believe her, absent of any evidence, for fear of it not being reported in the future. I somewhat understand that logic, I can't see how a woman would make a false accusation knowing that she is going to be grilled about her personal life on the witness stand. But at the same time it has happened, and will continue to happen. I know stories of many women consenting or being drunk and letting things get out of hand, only to have major regrets the next morning. Could be what happened here. I have no doubt that Ghomeshi did many of the things these women say, he humiliated and degraded them. But it doesn't appear likely that they said no or fought back based on the evidence that was presented. This case probably shouldn't even gone to court in the first place. It was botched from the get go.

 

[SkyRider]

Based on what I've seen on twitter they are appalled at the verdict because it felt like the women were the ones on trial.

It was the women making the accusations so they have the onus of proof. I think the bar of justice has to be set high before our society sends someone to jail. Also, who are these women? Two of them don't even have names (at least not in public).

 

[K Douglas]

It was the women making the accusations so they have the onus of proof. I think the bar of justice has to be set high before our society sends someone to jail. Also, who are these women? Two of them don't even have names (at least not in public).

Absolutely I agree. It was the correct judgment. There is reasonable doubt.

 

[Titalian]

The CBC has sburra on it's logo right about now, Ghomeshi has a strong case for unjust dismissal. But he would have nothing to gain by going after the women. There's no way he can prove consent beyond a shadow of doubt and the public will see him as the masher he probably is.

He was a good interviewer but he should have learned something from a real man. His outstanding interview with Liev Schreiber on Q is no longer online.

This was probably one of the better movies I've seen and I was with my eighteen year old daughter. Being
Roman Catholic, a barrage of questions occurred from her after she had witnessed this movie. I tried my best
for her, to make sense of it.

 

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Don't see any of the ladies on the board chiming in. Based on what I've seen on twitter they are appalled at the verdict because it felt like the women were the ones on trial. According to their logic we should unequivocally believe that if a woman accuses a man of rape/sexual assault then we must believe her, absent of any evidence, for fear of it not being reported in the future. I somewhat understand that logic, I can't see how a woman would make a false accusation knowing that she is going to be grilled about her personal life on the witness stand. But at the same time it has happened, and will continue to happen. I know stories of many women consenting or being drunk and letting things get out of hand, only to have major regrets the next morning. Could be what happened here. I have no doubt that Ghomeshi did many of the things these women say, he humiliated and degraded them. But it doesn't appear likely that they said no or fought back based on the evidence that was presented. This case probably shouldn't even gone to court in the first place. It was botched from the get go.

One women on radio called yesterday at around 5pm (not sure if it was CBC or am640)/and was exactly saying the same things being said here but in a very intelligent respectful and systematic way and how they colluded conspired had regrets after the fact...well quickly the radio switched conversation and stopped talking about him and you could tell the host was being instructed to handle the situation.

 

[Titalian]

Absolutely I agree. It was the correct judgment. There is reasonable doubt.

Maybe your right. When it comes to intimate or sexual encounters, there are many forms.
Some of which, I'm completely clueless on. Especially in this case. Did he do what he did? of course he did.
This verdict sends out a big message, to the males, who are into this type fetish. Jmts

 

[Smallcock]

One of the WBS protesters interviewed on TV said it is not unusual for a sexually assaulted woman to want to continue the relationship and pursue the man (maybe also send him nude pics?). Go figure.

Can't reason with these people.

 

[Celticman]

Its no wonder she got involved in his case. She saw flaws in the prosecution. Perfect opportunity to be in the limelite

In this area of our legal system Ms. Henin has NO need for any limelight. As much as anyone she already owns it. If you knew anything about her you would not have made this statement.

 

[Celticman]

It is very strange to me that Canadian law allows these cases to proceed without the prosecution being allowed to cross examine the accused.

Not strange at all. It goes to the very foundation of our legal system. INNOCENT until proven guilty. On that proper basis an accused person does not have to even mount a defense let alone take the stand. Move away from this concept and you can welcome the world of witch hunts.

Bad day for women, who now re-enforce their fear of reporting sexual abuse.

I suspect that sentient women will realise that these three accusers deserved the full excoriation directed to them by the judge for their lies and deceptions. A credible complainant is one that, with courage, comes forward with the plain unvarnished truth.

 

[Celticman]

Don't see any of the ladies on the board chiming in. Based on what I've seen on twitter they are appalled at the verdict because it felt like the women were the ones on trial. According to their logic we should unequivocally believe that if a woman accuses a man of rape/sexual assault then we must believe her, absent of any evidence, for fear of it not being reported in the future.

You are right about Twitter. Some of the ladies are "unfollowing" men that have anything to say that agrees with the verdict. One of them is a well known lady on tis board that I was about to book, but not now. If you are against civilized diversity of opinion I do not want to spend time with you.

If the legal system were to accede to the desires of the protesters every trial of a man accused of a sexual or sex related crime would START with these words "Having been found guilty....."

 

[Pachi]

You are right about Twitter. Some of the ladies are "unfollowing" men that have anything to say that agrees with the verdict. One of them is a well known lady on tis board that I was about to book, but not now. If you are against civilized diversity of opinion I do not want to spend time with you.

To women, this isn't an issue of "civilized diversity of opinion." This is an issue of safety in the face of sexual assault. If I were an SP there's no way in hell I'd want to deal with a client who expressed happiness that a known physically abusive individual was acquitted of assault charges. I'd never place myself in that position, leaving myself vulnerable to a client that celebrates nonconsensual violence against women and ignores or resents the impact this verdict has on them.

 

[Pachi]

Maybe your right. When it comes to intimate or sexual encounters, there are many forms.
Some of which, I'm completely clueless on. Especially in this case. Did he do what he did? of course he did.
This verdict sends out a big message, to the males, who are into this type fetish. Jmts

The message this sends to men with a fetish isn't the problem. Consensual acts handled responsibly between adults are fine. The issue is the message this sends to men who are into abusing women, perpetrating acts of violence with no prior dialogue or discussion. The Ghomeshi issue has never, and will never be about responsible kink play.

 

[Titalian]

In this area of our legal system Ms. Henin has NO need for any limelight. As much as anyone she already owns it. If you knew anything about her you would not have made this statement.

Really, I got news for you, nobody owns anything in life. Especially in this case. She saw the opportunity and she took it. Probably cost him a fortune.
Don't underestimate the guy, he very intelligent. What better way to get off by hiring a female lawyer who believes she can get him off. The bottom line
is he probably did what was stated. In any case he's flawed, and fuked. His future is glim

 

[Pachi]

Back when I was a young man just staring my university life and later work life, what is considered sexual assault and harassment to-day was considered flirting.

So to be clear, we're talking about a man who lured women to his home and punched them repeatedly with no warning. When precisely was that considered flirting? Because if that's not the kind of thing you were referring to in your quote above, then you're minimizing the actual issue this discussion is centered on.

 

[Titalian]

The message this sends to men with a fetish isn't the problem. Consensual acts handled responsibly between adults are fine. The issue is the message this sends to men who are into abusing women, perpetrating acts of violence with no prior dialogue or discussion. The Ghomeshi issue has never, and will never be about responsible kink play.

Exactly thank you

 

[Celticman]

To women, this isn't an issue of "civilized diversity of opinion." This is an issue of safety in the face of sexual assault. If I were an SP there's no way in hell I'd want to deal with a client who expressed happiness that a known physically abusive individual was acquitted of assault charges. I'd never place myself in that position, leaving myself vulnerable to a client that celebrates nonconsensual violence against women and ignores or resents the impact this verdict has on them.

You are not understanding. The accusers are simply not credible. Any sentient being could see that. The judge went out of his way to make this clear. To express the opinion that this was insufficient to convict Gomeshi is reasonable comment. Part of your conclusion jump was to state with no supporting facts that anyone said "a client who expressed happiness that a known physically abusive individual was acquitted of assault charges". Keep making it up as you go. It makes good reading.

 

[Pachi]

I disagree wholeheartedly.

There is a BIG difference between rape and what has transpired in this case.

Your post mistakenly debated the nature of rape, not "rape culture." If you google the term and learn a bit about it, you'll understand the actual concerns better. Problems contributing to rape culture don't just promote an environment where rape itself is accepted, they promote an environment where many different types of abuse against woman are accepted, minimized, and happen more often than they would in an environment where they're loudly decried as unacceptable.

 

[Pachi]

Part of your conclusion jump was to state with no supporting facts that anyone said "a client who expressed happiness that a known physically abusive individual was acquitted of assault charges".

And yet, that's how the ladies see it. So coming from that perspective, I think it's perfectly justifiable for them to want to unfollow men expressing that perspective, and try to avoid taking them on as clients.

I understand fully well that the witnesses perjured themselves and their testimony was thus insufficient to convict Ghomeshi. The judge in the case is reputable and in no way wrong to rule the way he did given the situation. The prosecution did a shit job preparing them, and likely didn't understand how victims often react to abuse; it's absolutely no surprise to me that some of them remained in contact with Ghomeshi after the fact. The reality is, it doesn't matter if a woman continues to be in contact with a man that physically assaults her or not; consent isn't retroactive. You punch a woman in the stomach unsolicited, you abused her.

If the prosecution did a better job, they would've been able to get at the details that the defense managed to get at instead, and prepared accordingly. But they didn't. So here's hoping for a better job in June's trial.

In the mean time, a TON of people - men and women - are reasonably disturbed about this, and the correct tone is sympathy for anyone who feels affected. Not Twitter celebrations waved in the face of SP's who risk their own safety every day they're working to provide a service we all enjoy and appreciate. Jesus.

 

[Perry Mason]

Jesus.

Oh, no! Please keep him out of this discussion! :wink:

Perry