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Valcazar

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NEW: Donald Trump comments on Kamala Harris' relationship with former SF mayor Willie Brown, the man she slept with who helped kickstart her career. Harris was 29 at the time she dated Brown who was 60. "Well, I know Willie Brown very well." "He told me terrible things about [Kamala]. He had a big part in what happened with Kamala... He was not a fan of hers very much at that point."
Trump making up a whole weird story about a helicopter trip with Willie Brown that never happened was pretty fucking funny.
 
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Shapiro was the frontrunner for VP. Pennsylvania is a key state. It's fair to ask what made Walz the choice over him.
Sure.
I don't know if he was the "frontrunner" but he was absolutely on the short list and a top contender.
Asking why she made the choice she did is fine.

But that's not what we are discussing.

We are discussing that you can't use "The Right pushing Shapiro" as some kind of "proof" that not picking Shapiro was the right call.
The GOP were always going to raise questions about her pick and imply she should have picked someone else and they are glad with who she did pick.
It may or may not be true, but that tactic ("Oh! This is great! We can't wait to run against this guy! We would have been worried if she had picked that other one!" ) is pretty standard.
It just doesn't tell us much of anything.

We all know that Democrats don't want to throw any more fuel to the fire that is the Palestinian-Israeli conflict going into the convention. Additionally, there seems to be some controversy following Shapiro over a multiple stabbed woman that was ruled a suicide. Something you don't want be explaining in this 90 day window.
I am sure that all of that was part of the discussion.
One of the major issues with a VP pick is to minimize downside risk and I am sure the fact he seemed to have the most organized opposition in the coalition was a factor.

By the same token, all of us can say "why didn't Trump just select Rubio or Scott?" They would be better selections against Harris-Walz.
Exactly.
It just doesn't say very much about the real choice to have people going "Oh! We're so glad they didn't pick that other guy!" because people always say that.

You and I have been saying that while VP selections are great political entertainment they really are oversold as to their ability to win Presidential elections.
I think we are in firm agreement on that.
It's mostly about avoiding any major downside and hope for some marginal upside.
 

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This wasn't Trump's only message. Trump spoke off the cuff for 77 minutes. No teleprompters, took a lot of questions from the press!!
And he didn't answer those questions.

He set up a news conference where he could pretend he didn't hear questions from reporters he didn't like and ignore those questions and then he failed to answer the questions he did take.
Only softball questions, no follow-up, and he couldn't even manage that.

And so many lies.

Yes, the Mainstream Media will cover for him, as usual, so it won't damage him as much as it should, but it was a disaster if you actually watched it.
 
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I don't think that's fair.
Earp said this hadn't happened before and I drew the 1968 parallel.
Earp, not without reason, thinks the overall situation is too different for that to be a good comparison.

I don't even think he's particularly wrong, I think people view the primaries differently than before and the lateness of the withdrawal also changes the dynamic.
That said, I don't think mechanically it is all that different - it is mostly a question of perception.

(Which goes both ways. Humphrey's win was not viewed by the Democratic electorate at large the same way Harris seems to be.)
Valc, it's historical interest to politics buffs that the voting public is completely oblivious to and DGAF about. That was my point.
 

Valcazar

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Valc, it's historical interest to politics buffs that the voting public is completely oblivious to and DGAF about. That was my point.
I think that's mostly because the Democratic party unified behind Harris and are happy with that situation.

There were a LOT of people invested in the "Contested Convention Chaos!" narrative.
They were hoping pushing the whole "The people won't accept Kamala as legitimate" would create cracks in the Dem voters.
That came from the news people who wanted it for ratings and from GOP supporters who hoped it would split the party.

It didn't fly.

Mostly because people were mostly like "yeah, we're good with Harris", I think.

But there are absolutely people who don't like that it was drop out and replace under pressure from the media.
That may become an issue in the future because lots of people aren't happy about it.
It's just that the people who do care about that don't object to Harris.

If the whole "Let's parachute in Gavin Newsom" or "Let's have a Blitz primary" had happened, who knows how things would have gone down.
 
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No, no, no.
Actually answering questions from the press doesn't count.
For... reasons.

Just watch.
THey already started on FOX Fake News Network,

"Trump does one hour and she does 30 seconds on a tarmac" LOL

It is as if they call the shots when they are losing ground.
 

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THey already started on FOX Fake News Network,

"Trump does one hour and she does 30 seconds on a tarmac" LOL

It is as if they call the shots when they are losing ground.
They have a narrative and they are going to run with it.
The press will support them because a big press conference justifies their salaries and gets them on TV.
(I'm sure NY Times and others will also demand a long-form sit down interview as well.)

But as you can see, they are also wasting their actual question time by asking when they will get more question time.
Instead of, you know, asking her real questions.
If they are just throwing out gossip questions and asking about when they get to be on TV, it's not surprising she doesn't have much respect for them.

Also, it isn't like they are going to give her the soft-ball treatment they give Trump in his "press conference" (soft ball questions, no follow-ups or pushback, and accepting him pretending not to hear questions he doesn't like).

She's going to do one because she knows leaving the narrative out there when the press is against her isn't great (see what they did to Biden), but she seems to be smart enough to know they aren't her friends.
 

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They have a narrative and they are going to run with it.
The press will support them because a big press conference justifies their salaries and gets them on TV.
(I'm sure NY Times and others will also demand a long-form sit down interview as well.)

But as you can see, they are also wasting their actual question time by asking when they will get more question time.
Instead of, you know, asking her real questions.
If they are just throwing out gossip questions and asking about when they get to be on TV, it's not surprising she doesn't have much respect for them.

Also, it isn't like they are going to give her the soft-ball treatment they give Trump in his "press conference" (soft ball questions, no follow-ups or pushback, and accepting him pretending not to hear questions he doesn't like).

She's going to do one because she knows leaving the narrative out there when the press is against her isn't great (see what they did to Biden), but she seems to be smart enough to know they aren't her friends.
She did mention she will do sit down interviews at the end of August.
 

Valcazar

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She did mention she will do sit down interviews at the end of August.
"That just proves she is stalling as long as she can!"
Also, "With who!? She needs that long to make sure she isn't asked any tough questions by real reporters!"

This will be followed by "She didn't invite the right journalists, she is afraid to be in an unscripted environment!" after the fact if they don't have something they can use.
 

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"That just proves she is stalling as long as she can!"
Also, "With who!? She needs that long to make sure she isn't asked any tough questions by real reporters!"

This will be followed by "She didn't invite the right journalists, she is afraid to be in an unscripted environment!" after the fact if they don't have something they can use.
This one is funny. Conway begged the media to stop covering Kamala's rallies to force her into interviews. The desperation is glorious. LOL


Top Trump Advisors PUBLICLY SPIRAL, BEG Media to ATTACK Kamala!

 

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"That just proves she is stalling as long as she can!"
Also, "With who!? She needs that long to make sure she isn't asked any tough questions by real reporters!"

This will be followed by "She didn't invite the right journalists, she is afraid to be in an unscripted environment!" after the fact if they don't have something they can use.
Coming off the scripted and relatively sequestered Biden campaign, anyone who asks for more taking questions and unscripted situations is perfectly in bounds.

If one likes to see platforms and an articulation of policy positions, I think Harris has a way to go. The campaign websites are strikingly different as currently constructed. Harris' website simply asks for money. Trump's website has a platform with many positions. Some are general and some are specific.

Now forgive me for reminding everyone, but if Harris had went to through a normal primary process she would have developed a platform and everyone would know where she stood on issues. As far as we can tell, Harris is going to change/adjust some of her positions from her 2020 Presidential run and Senate tenure. It would be a good thing to know sooner than later in a 100 day campaign.
 
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Coming off the scripted and relatively sequestered Biden campaign, anyone who asks for more taking questions and unscripted situations is perfectly in bounds.

If one likes to see platforms and an articulation of policy positions, I think Harris has a way to go. The campaign websites are strikingly different as currently constructed. Harris' websites simply asks for money. Trump's website has a platform with many positions. Some are general and some are specific.

Now forgive me for reminding everyone, but if Harris had went to through a normal primary process she would have developed a platform and everyone would know where she stood on issues. As far as we can tell, Harris is going to change/adjust some of her positions from her 2020 Presidential run and Senate tenure. It would be a good thing to know sooner than later in a 100 day campaign.
If she decided simply run on the basis that she is not Trump I wouldn’t blame her. Seems like a perfect platform and minimal chance to fuck anything up.
 

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If the whole "Let's parachute in Gavin Newsom" or "Let's have a Blitz primary" had happened, who knows how things would have gone down.
You might be on to something there.

Gavin Newsom parachuting into the Super Bowl in February, 2028.
 
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If she decided simply run on the basis that she is not Trump. I wouldn’t blame her. Seems like a perfect platform and minimal chance to fuck anything up.
I wouldn't blame her, but it could backfire. If she decides to go that route, you also have to wonder if her platform would actually appeal to moderate voters.
 

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Coming off the scripted and relatively sequestered Biden campaign, anyone who asks for more taking questions and unscripted situations is perfectly in bounds.

If one likes to see platforms and an articulation of policy positions, I think Harris has a way to go. The campaign websites are strikingly different as currently constructed. Harris' websites simply asks for money. Trump's website has a platform with many positions. Some are general and some are specific.

Now forgive me for reminding everyone, but if Harris had went to through a normal primary process she would have developed a platform and everyone would know where she stood on issues. As far as we can tell, Harris is going to change/adjust some of her positions from her 2020 Presidential run and Senate tenure. It would be a good thing to know sooner than later in a 100 day campaign.
The last thing Val wants is her in a position where she has to think on her feet.
 

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They have a narrative and they are going to run with it.
The press will support them because a big press conference justifies their salaries and gets them on TV.
(I'm sure NY Times and others will also demand a long-form sit down interview as well.)

But as you can see, they are also wasting their actual question time by asking when they will get more question time.
Instead of, you know, asking her real questions.
If they are just throwing out gossip questions and asking about when they get to be on TV, it's not surprising she doesn't have much respect for them.

Also, it isn't like they are going to give her the soft-ball treatment they give Trump in his "press conference" (soft ball questions, no follow-ups or pushback, and accepting him pretending not to hear questions he doesn't like).

She's going to do one because she knows leaving the narrative out there when the press is against her isn't great (see what they did to Biden), but she seems to be smart enough to know they aren't her friends.
The press isn't supposed to be her friend.
 
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The last thing Val wants is her in a position where she has to think on her feet.
It sounds like she's better on her back. (oops, sorry I couldn't resist that. ;))
 
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Coming off the scripted and relatively sequestered Biden campaign, anyone who asks for more taking questions and unscripted situations is perfectly in bounds.

If one likes to see platforms and an articulation of policy positions, I think Harris has a way to go. The campaign websites are strikingly different as currently constructed. Harris' websites simply asks for money. Trump's website has a platform with many positions. Some are general and some are specific.

Now forgive me for reminding everyone, but if Harris had went to through a normal primary process she would have developed a platform and everyone would know where she stood on issues. As far as we can tell, Harris is going to change/adjust some of her positions from her 2020 Presidential run and Senate tenure. It would be a good thing to know sooner than later in a 100 day campaign.
You want her to do something like this?
 
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