The more that is coming out particularly in British and Continental Newspapers as to his depression, and taking time off from commercial pilot training the more surprising it seems that this man was given a position with an airline and particularly with Lufthansa.
German Plane Crashes
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Same is true if that other person is the other pilot.
At least you have another person in there to give the plane a fighting chance... disable the offender or at least get the door open.
It might. It might not.
I think this move was done by Harper to just give people some peace of mind
Yeah, forget the fact that it has been a policy in place in US airspace for 14 years now.
"It might. It might not."? Are you on crack? If I were 38,000 feet in the air, I think I'd want any possible advantage.
It is never wise to give anyone too much credit for basic intelligence. But if you were a Captain for a major airline would you not say to your cabin crew let's take some time, I'd like to give you some basic skills and training. All it takes is things like knowing how to go on Oxygen, getting the door unlocked, making a mayday call, being able to fight the controls against the person attempting to crash the aircraft.
Of course some of this is easier on a Boeing rather than an Airbus aircraft such as the autopilot having been put into a descent, in the Boeing the wheel pushes forward in an Airbus the side stick doesn't move (one of the subsidiary causes of the crash of Air France Flight 447 in 2009 they couldn't just look and see that the elevators were in a hard climb position).
Do you mean the stewardess hitting the copilot? Because. Otherwise the copilot would be at the controls and the stewardess standing behind- they won't sit in the pilot chair
I'm saying someone who's hellbent on taking down a plane will probably not be deterred either way, whether there is a 2nd person or not
Had the disaster been averted by some miracle the guy wouldn't
likely be charged with the crime of consipring to commit mass murder.
He would be an asshole treated as a victim of depression.
Stewardesses simply need to carry pepper spray, maybe concealed in their snatches...the pilot, or any unruly passenger would be automatically immobilized
I wonder if anyone helped the pilot. I think the only idea I could come up with is to get 2 of the biggest guys and try and ram through with the catering cart. But with 8 mins man, that is not a lot of time to react. I think they need to put an emergency keypad in, so the cabin crew can enter a code to put the plane into a holding pattern at 30K feet. Only when a code is provided by the ground is this released or if BOTH pilots and the head steward enter a personal code. A code can also be provided to release the cockpit, it is a rolling code. This stuff will have to be done, unfortunately. But for now I suppose the 2 people in the cockpit is ok, but a stewardess would be easy to take out.
Correct, Boeing and Airbus are two different animals, Boeing have a real yoke in front of each pilot, the Airbus has what looks to be an after thought "joystick" off in each the corner, which I understand has no feedback.
There is a lot of lawsuits pending in Europe stemming from the Airbus Air France Flight 447 disaster, regarding the plane, and pilot training.
I'm NOT pretending to be an expert here, just stating what I have read.
FAST
Cockpit doors are made of kevlar, you're not getting through that door unless you have a small bomb
The sad truth is that if someone is determined to do something like this, there is no way to stop her/him... especially someone in a position of authority.
It is another of the risks of flying.
That is the kind of society we have invented.
Perry
It is another of the risks of flying.
That is the kind of society we have invented.
Perry
Germanwings crash and pilots: Our view
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=news-opinion
If the co-pilot of the Germanwings flight that crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday deliberately flew the jet into a deadly descent, as prosecutors assert, it would certainly be a rare event. But not nearly as rare as most people think.
This was the sixth time since 1982 that a commercial pilot has committed suicide by aircraft, taking planeloads of passengers with him — and that's a short count.
It doesn't include the mysterious disappearance last year of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which appears to have been flown off course. Nor does it count a troubled flight engineer's unsuccessful attempt to kill three pilots on a FedEx Boeing 707 in 1994.
The pattern has largely gone unnoticed, but it is striking, particularly in the similarities between the Germanwings crash and the ill-fated flight of EgyptAir 990 in 1999.
The EgyptAir jetliner was en route from New York to Cairo when the captain left the cockpit to go the bathroom, just as the Germanwings pilot did. Within seconds, the co-pilot disengaged the autopilot, pushed the yoke forward and took actions to bring the aircraft down, as he quietly repeated, "I rely on God."
The pilot rushed back in — unimpeded by the impregnable locks put on cockpit doors after 9/11 — and fought the co-pilot for control, too late. The Boeing 767 crashed into the ocean 60 miles off Nantucket, killing all 217 aboard. While Egypt blamed mechanical failure, U.S. investigators had no doubt: The crash was deliberate.
Similar tragedies have occurred in Indonesia, Japan, Morocco and Namibia.
Given the time span of three decades and the fact that 87,000 flights fly safely in the USA every day, that's not cause for alarm. But neither is it reason to look away. There are safety options to consider.
Reenforced cockpit doors, which can be securely locked from inside, are the most effective security measure since the Sept. 11 hijackings, but they backfired for Germanwings. The pilot, locked out by the co-pilot, could be heard banging furiously to get in as the jet descended.
U.S. rules requiring two people in the cockpit at all times might have prevented the crash. On Thursday, some international airlines adopted the procedure, and others would do well to follow.
And what about regular mental health assessments for pilots? Commercial pilots in the U.S. must undergo medical exams annually or, after 40, twice a year. Exams include a general look at their mental state, but no formal psychological assessment.
Pilots and crews clearly assess each other because their lives depend upon it. They may be in the best position to notice and report a mental health problem. Given the number of crashes, though, professional psychological assessments might be needed.
Suicide and mass murder, which is what really happened on Germanwings, aren't easily prevented. Just ask those who've groped for years to stop the endless succession of mass killings by deranged gunmen in America. You can't stop them all. But you can stop some.
The pattern of crashes repeated in the Alps on Tuesday argues that the threat is overdue for some attention.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=news-opinion
If the co-pilot of the Germanwings flight that crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday deliberately flew the jet into a deadly descent, as prosecutors assert, it would certainly be a rare event. But not nearly as rare as most people think.
This was the sixth time since 1982 that a commercial pilot has committed suicide by aircraft, taking planeloads of passengers with him — and that's a short count.
It doesn't include the mysterious disappearance last year of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which appears to have been flown off course. Nor does it count a troubled flight engineer's unsuccessful attempt to kill three pilots on a FedEx Boeing 707 in 1994.
The pattern has largely gone unnoticed, but it is striking, particularly in the similarities between the Germanwings crash and the ill-fated flight of EgyptAir 990 in 1999.
The EgyptAir jetliner was en route from New York to Cairo when the captain left the cockpit to go the bathroom, just as the Germanwings pilot did. Within seconds, the co-pilot disengaged the autopilot, pushed the yoke forward and took actions to bring the aircraft down, as he quietly repeated, "I rely on God."
The pilot rushed back in — unimpeded by the impregnable locks put on cockpit doors after 9/11 — and fought the co-pilot for control, too late. The Boeing 767 crashed into the ocean 60 miles off Nantucket, killing all 217 aboard. While Egypt blamed mechanical failure, U.S. investigators had no doubt: The crash was deliberate.
Similar tragedies have occurred in Indonesia, Japan, Morocco and Namibia.
Given the time span of three decades and the fact that 87,000 flights fly safely in the USA every day, that's not cause for alarm. But neither is it reason to look away. There are safety options to consider.
Reenforced cockpit doors, which can be securely locked from inside, are the most effective security measure since the Sept. 11 hijackings, but they backfired for Germanwings. The pilot, locked out by the co-pilot, could be heard banging furiously to get in as the jet descended.
U.S. rules requiring two people in the cockpit at all times might have prevented the crash. On Thursday, some international airlines adopted the procedure, and others would do well to follow.
And what about regular mental health assessments for pilots? Commercial pilots in the U.S. must undergo medical exams annually or, after 40, twice a year. Exams include a general look at their mental state, but no formal psychological assessment.
Pilots and crews clearly assess each other because their lives depend upon it. They may be in the best position to notice and report a mental health problem. Given the number of crashes, though, professional psychological assessments might be needed.
Suicide and mass murder, which is what really happened on Germanwings, aren't easily prevented. Just ask those who've groped for years to stop the endless succession of mass killings by deranged gunmen in America. You can't stop them all. But you can stop some.
The pattern of crashes repeated in the Alps on Tuesday argues that the threat is overdue for some attention.
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