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There is no way that The Star would get a $200k return on the video, and as others have said they are not in the business of paying for news.

Probably in part because paying for news isn't likely very profitable and would lead to everyone with a tip demanding cash for it.
 

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The minute a mainstream newspaper starts to pay for news stories, even 10K, they would lose a lot of their integrity and there would be a cloud over them in the public eye.
 

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The guys shopping the video will eventually take whatever money is raised.

We'll see it.
That’s not how it works. Gawker has set it up so they either raise $200K+ in the 7 remaining days, or they get $0. There is no in between to settle on. Gawker has pledged to give the money to charity if they do happen to raise the $200K, and the guy with the video decides not to sell it.
 

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There is no way that The Star would get a $200k return on the video, and as others have said they are not in the business of paying for news.

Probably in part because paying for news isn't likely very profitable and would lead to everyone with a tip demanding cash for it.
This is a very special case of which I have no doubt that A) they would pay, B) I suspect they'd recoup the price many times over and C) even if they didn't recoup they wouldn't care because they would have achieved their objective.
 

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This is a very special case of which I have no doubt that A) they would pay, B) I suspect they'd recoup the price many times over and C) even if they didn't recoup they wouldn't care because they would have achieved their objective.
Well, I think that is crazy talk. I can't imagine why they would want to set a precedent that would destroy their entire business, I can't imagine how they would ever recoup the money, and I think you are wrong in claiming they have "an objective". I think their objective is to report the news.

The Star has been incredibly good at keeping its editorial opinions away from its news reporting, which is why it has so frequently strung up those you would think were its political allies. If they only ever ran stories critical of right wing parties and politicians you would have a point -- but as they are the organization that broke eHealth, ORNGE, etc., I think that's stuff and nonsense.

Ford Nation has huffed and puffed but at the end of the day it seems the Star's reporting on Ford has been entirely accurate pretty much across the board.
 

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there are lots of functioning alcoholics and drug addicts out there. just cuz you can't handle your buzz doesn't mean no one can.
Yes and no. Eventually it tends to catch up with them, and they either quit the drug or flame out. The problem is that addiction progresses, and so while maybe for some number of years the addict can keep up appearances and make it seem like everything's OK, eventually the addiction gets to a point where they can no longer do that. They either have to quit, or it starts annihilating everything else in their life.

The speed at which that happens is very different for different addictions. Crack generally fucks people's lives up very quickly, but alcohol is infamously slow. It takes years to become an alcoholic, and someone who is seriously alcoholic can keep up some semblance of a normal life for perhaps 10 or 20 years before it really starts to take a toll. But, eventually it does. Things like heroin and cocaine are somewhere in between, people manage to keep up appearances sometimes for a number of years before flaming out, but like all addictions they progress too.

Crack though, and things like crystal meth, are in that category of drugs that tend to destroy people's lives and finances in a matter of years rather than decades, which is why a crack addiction is a much bigger deal for a politician than a drinking problem is. Harsh as it may be to say it, the slowness of alcoholism likely means a politicians political career will be over before it really messes them up, so it's more of a personal problem. A crack addiction is more likely to destroy their ability to function while they are still in office.
 

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Functional or not, I don't want a mayor who is a crack head.

(And BTW, Rob Ford is not functional - even at the best of times.)
 

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No invention, just going by the conviction of their posts, it sounds like they think Ford is guilty of being a crackhead (without seeing the video).


Me myself, I'm starting to wonder if its true, but I'd still like to see some hard evidence (READ: video) before I convict him
Your scrupulousness in avoiding preconceptions and reserving your opinion until you have solid evidence beyond reasonable doubt before convicting others for what you say they thinks is an example to us all.

Sarcasm aside: "…sounds like they think" is a world away from solid evidence of being what they think. It's your though not theirs, and you—Mr. Solid Evidence Only can't even post a single quote to support your 'sounds like'.
 

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There is one major problem....actually two....in the sale of this video.

it may well be a criminal act, which makes it all the more intriguing.

1) it is illegal to retell stories and profit from it...in any format. Sorta like the Clifford Olsen story.

2) it could be considered ' proceeds of crime' , and the Somalis end up with no cash....and maybe in jail.

This is a delicate one to say the least!
 

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There is one major problem....actually two....in the sale of this video.

it may well be a criminal act, which makes it all the more intriguing.

1) it is illegal to retell stories and profit from it...in any format. Sorta like the Clifford Olsen story.

2) it could be considered ' proceeds of crime' , and the Somalis end up with no cash....and maybe in jail.

This is a delicate one to say the least!
Professor, all the law aside, what do you think are the chances of it being illegal when you are the only one so far who thinks that the deal might be illegal, while some people went as far as setting up a website and publicly collect money to finance this illegal operation?
 

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Just like the original story, paying for the video has no upside, although it may well be another evil we will have to endure. As always, when bad things happen the important question is whether you go on stronger and better afterwards or whether you let them make you meaner, more suspicious and craven.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Your scrupulousness in avoiding preconceptions and reserving your opinion until you have solid evidence beyond reasonable doubt before convicting others for what you say they thinks is an example to us all.

Sarcasm aside: "…sounds like they think" is a world away from solid evidence of being what they think. It`s your though not theirs, and you—Mr. Solid Evidence Only can`t even post a single quote to support your `sounds like`.
Here you go, oldfart. You asked for one quote, here it is.

Jennifer thinks the story is true: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-crack-fiend&p=4543614&viewfull=1#post4543614

... if this (or all the other stories), weren`t true ~ there`d be lawsuits all-over the place.

The story is true
When I have more time today I`ll dig up some of the other posters who think Ford is guilty without having seen the actual video
 

fmahovalich

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Im no professor of law...just republishing several articles I read.

think of it this way. I could be involved in any crime...instigating it lets say. A murder, a drug deal, an assault. I decide to record the crime..MY CRIME...on a cell phone. I then sell that video.

The reports I read say that is a crime itself in Canada...for the two reasons I cite above.

im not judging anything ethically or morally on the part of the Mayor. Heck, if he is smoking crack and we see it on a free video...he should resign.

im commenting on the sale of the video.
 

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I think it comes down to journalistic integrity (or whatever is left of it). Newspapers dont like to pay for stories, because its not good ethics and it encourages people to hoax stories.

TMZ is one of the few media who do pay for stories, and they pay a lot too. Its not uncommon for them pay $100K for something juicy
the toronto star has paid for photos in the past. lots of newspapers do
 

Phil C. McNasty

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It`s your though not theirs, and you—Mr. Solid Evidence Only can`t even post a single quote to support your `sounds like`.
Here you go, another one: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...moking-Crack&p=4540838&viewfull=1#post4540838

It`s funny reading through this thread and seeing all the Ford-supporters who so don`t want to believe that this story is true.

I believe it. Sorry to burst your bubble but it explains a lot about him
 

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Well, I think that is crazy talk. I can't imagine why they would want to set a precedent that would destroy their entire business, I can't imagine how they would ever recoup the money, and I think you are wrong in claiming they have "an objective". I think their objective is to report the news.

The Star has been incredibly good at keeping its editorial opinions away from its news reporting, which is why it has so frequently strung up those you would think were its political allies. If they only ever ran stories critical of right wing parties and politicians you would have a point -- but as they are the organization that broke eHealth, ORNGE, etc., I think that's stuff and nonsense.

Ford Nation has huffed and puffed but at the end of the day it seems the Star's reporting on Ford has been entirely accurate pretty much across the board.
Agree to disagree. No need to debate something that is not going to change the other person's opinion.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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the toronto star has paid for photos in the past. lots of newspapers do
News to me.

Can you tell us how much $$ they've paid for photos and videos in the past??
 
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