Gas going up .40 cents????

[bver_hunter]

How about the billions Trudeau STOLE from a childrens charity??

Do we have any full facts on that from our TRUSTED Liberal govt and media????

Are we getting the full facts of SNC-lavalin?

How about CERB payments made to jailed inmates???

How about full facts about which business got a helping hand with the billions given away??? Seems to us that they can only come up with about a handful of businesses at the moment?

How about looking at your criminal treasonous Liberal govt first before you make nonsensical statements about conservatives????

Trudeau stole billions from a children's charity??? What are you smoking?? Please provide that proof, as I would love to read the type of indoctrination that is rife on the alt right platforms!!

Just because Pissed Off Poilievre squeals on a daily basis, does not mean the facts are not all out there. More Canadians as per capita have been helped out during this Pandemic, as compared to the USA. That is a fact!!

You are still fixated on the SNC-Lavalin. Well, you right wingers are the same ones trying to coverup the Ukrainian Scandals resulting in the Impeachment, The Mueller Report that was still under wraps, and the list goes on and on.

Jailed inmates receiving CERB should be brought to Justice. Provide the names to the CRA if you have them!!

There are records of all the businesses that have taken advantage of these payments. All businesses around the world have got help from their Governments including the
USA where trillions were given away to them. Sooner or later those who have wrongly received it will have to pay the price!!

The only treacherous stuff is Mulroney getting bribes for aircraft deals, and then lying in Court. Then getting the Canadian Government to shell out $2.1 million for it. But when that required a full investigation, the Harper Government curtailed it in a manner that no other Govt. can re-open that investigation and Mulroney benefitted from it. Then you say that the Conservatives are looking after taxpayer money. LOL!!

 

[smallhatchet]

Trudeau stole billions from a children's charity??? What are you smoking?? Please provide that proof, as I would love to read the type of indoctrination that is rife on the alt right platforms!! “I wish that, in hindsight, that we had done things differently around the WE Charity,” Morneau said, stepping down from his post as finance minister soon after. https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/sin...me-for-fall-of-we-charity-in-canada-1.5101667

Just because Pissed Off Poilievre squeals on a daily basis, does not mean the facts are not all out there. More Canadians as per capita have been helped out during this Pandemic, as compared to the USA. That is a fact!! WTF are you saying here? Squealers usually tell on people. Ie: RAT. A rat is a squealer. Are you saying Pierre is squealing lies????

You are still fixated on the SNC-Lavalin. Well, you right wingers are the same ones trying to coverup the Ukrainian Scandals resulting in the Impeachment, The Mueller Report that was still under wraps, and the list goes on and on. The Ukrainian scandal is all about Biden. The MUeller report did nothing because it was baseless, just like your arguements.

Jailed inmates receiving CERB should be brought to Justice. Provide the names to the CRA if you have them!! Ask Trudeau. Its under his control:

There are records of all the businesses that have taken advantage of these payments. All businesses around the world have got help from their Governments including the
USA where trillions were given away to them. Sooner or later those who have wrongly received it will have to pay the price!!

The only treacherous stuff is Mulroney getting bribes for aircraft deals, and then lying in Court. Then getting the Canadian Government to shell out $2.1 million for it. But when that required a full investigation, the Harper Government curtailed it in a manner that no other Govt. can re-open that investigation and Mulroney benefitted from it. Then you say that the Conservatives are looking after taxpayer money. LOL!! Best you do some research on Liberal PM's like Paul Martin first??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponsorship_scandal ....... LOL

 

[Fun For All]

Trudeau stole billions from a children's charity??? What are you smoking?? Please provide that proof, as I would love to read the type of indoctrination that is rife on the alt right platforms!!

Just because Pissed Off Poilievre squeals on a daily basis, does not mean the facts are not all out there. More Canadians as per capita have been helped out during this Pandemic, as compared to the USA. That is a fact!!

You are still fixated on the SNC-Lavalin. Well, you right wingers are the same ones trying to coverup the Ukrainian Scandals resulting in the Impeachment, The Mueller Report that was still under wraps, and the list goes on and on.

Jailed inmates receiving CERB should be brought to Justice. Provide the names to the CRA if you have them!!

There are records of all the businesses that have taken advantage of these payments. All businesses around the world have got help from their Governments including the
USA where trillions were given away to them. Sooner or later those who have wrongly received it will have to pay the price!!

The only treacherous stuff is Mulroney getting bribes for aircraft deals, and then lying in Court. Then getting the Canadian Government to shell out $2.1 million for it. But when that required a full investigation, the Harper Government curtailed it in a manner that no other Govt. can re-open that investigation and Mulroney benefitted from it. Then you say that the Conservatives are looking after taxpayer money. LOL!!

I know hatchet from another site...i wouldn't get worked up on what he says, he's just causing shit for the fun of it...

 

[richaceg]

10 years? Who cares then...

Lol...maybe you need some economis 101 to start caring...believe it or not this affects even SPs rates...watch.

 

[Fun For All]

Lol...maybe you need some economis 101 to start caring...believe it or not this affects even SPs rates...watch.

I've been paying the same SP rates for about 10 years now...there will be more issues in the next 10 years where gas prices may not be significant.

 

[Frankfooter]

I wil try to find the reference but the carbon tax is being used to finance the massive influx of migrants into Canada. Trudeau wants nothing better than to reduce the two founding peoples of this country to just another ethnic group in his third world cocktail.

Wow, you even go all anti-immigrant in climate change threads.
Amazing.

 

[jerimander]

Wow, you even go all anti-immigrant in climate change threads.
Amazing.

I have a one-track mind.

 

[oil&gas]

Do you understand why rebate would reduce carbon emission
more than no rebate?

Yes actually. The carbon tax is intended to both make providers of emissions pay for the emissions and users of the end product (ie, gasoline) pay more for what they use. The idea is to encourage people to use less. The rebate is intended to offset the increase in prices for the consumer and provide a stimulus to the economy by giving consumers money to spend on other things. Carbon taxes have been shown to be effective. I don't expect anyone with the user name oil&gas to understand any of that.

 

[JohnLarue]

That's the best you can do? An attempt at mockery that's got to be a couple of centuries old? You're not overly bright, are you?

Brighter than someone who thinks the rebates will offset the cost of this evil tax

Get use to paying a lot more for food and everything else you buy which moves by truck, or rail

 

[gcostanza]

Title of the thread:

Gas going up .40 cents????

Going up point four zero of a cent?

Doesn't seem so bad.

 

[JohnLarue]

The idea is to encourage people to use less.

And those that currently are barley able to provide clothing, food and shelter for their family will just have ask their kids to go on a diet.
They will likely go further and further into debt

The rebate is intended to offset the increase in prices for the consumer

.
Intended and what will happen are two very different things
Justin's government has screwed up everything they have touched
They will never get this right

Fuel costs are inflationary, and the rebates will not even match the incremental tax revenue
The rebates will not be a offset

Rebate = 80% to 90% * Tax
i> 0, inflationary impact of the tax

The cost to Canadians = Tax *(1+i)
Therefore
Tax (1+i) > Rebate

Intentionally driving inflation with a move like this is very risky for a government who has buried itself in debt and whos central bank has committed to fight inflation

and provide a stimulus to the economy by giving consumers money to spend on other things

Stimulus??
How does driving up the price of fuel, food and every "other things" which requires transport, generate stimulus ?
The entire rational for the tax is to decrease consumption.

In fact you say "The idea is to encourage people to use less." in one sentence
And then you say " provide a stimulus to the economy" in a different sentence
Your logic is quite flawed
Energy costs impact just about everything,.

Claiming a Carbon tax will have a stimulating effect on the economy is comical at best, deceitful and disingenuous at worst

There is a reason the term is called a tax burden

The government is going to
1. Incrementally take more money from Canadians
2. Increase the cost of eating and " other things" , over and above the the higher cost of fuel
3. Waste 10 to 20% of the incremental tax revenue on administration
4. Redistribute whatever they do not waste. not based on how much each of us reduces consumption, but rather based on an ideological criteria: Wealth redistribution

Carbon taxes have been shown to be effective.

Effective?
Effective if the goals are decreasing economic activity, driving inflation and lowering our standard of living , especially for the poor

To make matters worse, It will not meet the stated objective of reducing emissions
Canadians will be poorer, but will watch as emissions continue to go up . Chinas building lots of new coal plants

Any annual emission reduction in Canada attributable to Justin's Ponzi scheme will be more than offset by China in a month

This is an ideologically driven plan destine for failure and hardship for Canadians. this will be a disaster
We desperately need more intelligent people in govt who will not make bad polices such as this

 

[nottyboi]

Remember when we didnt need A/C a coupe of summers ago and the hydro company had to put an increase on the bill because they didnt make enough money???

Hydro bills to rise as off-peak power rates jump sharply

Ontario consumers face higher rates for electricity starting Nov. 1, especially during off-peak hours

www.thestar.com

Why save on energy when you get punished for it????

Well with the way the economy is running now there is a need to balance out consumption...I went with the fixed rate option..its almost the same and I prefer the flexibility.

 

[nottyboi]

And those that currently are barley able to provide clothing, food and shelter for their family will just have ask their kids to go on a diet.
They will likely go further and further into debt

.
Intended and what will happen are two very different things
Justin's government has screwed up everything they have touched
They will never get this right

Fuel costs are inflationary, and the rebates will not even match the incremental tax revenue
The rebates will not be a offset


Stimulus??
How does driving up the price of fuel, food and every other item which requires transport generate stimulus ?
The entire rational for the tax is to decrease consumption.

In fact you say "The idea is to encourage people to use less." in one sentence
And then you say " provide a stimulus to the economy" in a different sentence
Your logic is pretty flawed
Energy costs impact just about everything,.


The government is going to
1. Incrementally take more money from Canadians
2. Increase the cost of eating and " other things" , over and above the the higher cost of fuel
3. Waste 10 to 20% of the incremental tax revenue on administration
4. Redistribute whatever they do not waste

Claiming a Carbon tax will have a stimulating effect on the economy is comical at best, deceitful and disingenuous at worst
There is a reason the term is called tax burden


Effective?
Effective if the goals are decreasing economic activity, driving inflation and lowering our standard of living , especially for the poor

To make matters worse, It will not meet the stated objective of reducing emissions
Canadians will be poorer, but will watch as emissions continue to go up . Chinas building lots of new coal plants

This is an ideologically driven plan destine for failure and hardship for Canadians

China is leadng the world in EVs and green energy. You expect the Chinese to emit less so Canadians can continue to spew carbon into the air?

 

[oil&gas]

China was actually the biggest beneficiary of the oil
price crash at the peak of the pandemic. When oil prices
dropped to below zero earlier this year they were buying
unwanted crude oil with both hands. Their storage must
have been overfilled by dirt cheap crude by now.

 

[JohnLarue]

China is leadng the world in EVs and green energy. You expect the Chinese to emit less so Canadians can continue to spew carbon into the air?

Oh , so we have to be sensitive the feelings of the Chinese who are the worlds biggest emitter by far?, yet did not sign the deal
Same dudes holding two of our citizens hostage ?

I do expect the Chinese to act in their own self interest which they are going to do

FYI, you are dreaming if you think EVs and green energy are a realistic route to eliminating fossil fuel use
You might want to see how copper wire is mined, smelted and produced before hanging your hat on that fallacy
Get back to us when they have developed an electric combine and figured out what to plug it into

 

[oil&gas]

Brighter than someone who thinks the rebates will offset the cost of this evil tax

Rebates will offset at least partially any effect of
reduction of emission the tax might produce initially.
A business tight in cash might have to either borrow money
from the bank to cover extra fuel cost or simply cut down
fuel usage. Rebates could be used to repay debt or
conserved for future fuel expenses. The more affluent
ones don't care. Refunds would be deployed for
a variety of different purposes other than those
for reduction of fuel consumption. Meanwhile small
businesses suffer while the credulous are suckered
by Trudeau to believe he is serious with meeting the net-zero
emission target.

 

[saxon]

BC introduced a carbon tax in 2007 and their emissions have just gone up not down.

 

[Frankfooter]

Brighter than someone who thinks the rebates will offset the cost of this evil tax

Get use to paying a lot more for food and everything else you buy which moves by truck, or rail

We're already going to pay more for food because of climate change, and that's only going to get worse with more extreme weather.

Average grocery bill set to increase almost $500, in part due to climate change, report says

The average Canadian family's food bill is expected to increase by almost $500 in 2020, according to a report from Dalhousie University and the University of Guelph.

montreal.ctvnews.ca

 

[JohnLarue]

Rebates will offset at least partially any effect of
reduction of emission the tax might produce initially.

Govt takes money away from you with the stated goal of reducing emissions, then gives you back some fraction of that money so that you continue to buy fuel and produce emissions ?
We need smarter people than this running the show

A business tight in cash might have to either borrow money
from the bank to cover extra fuel cost or simply cut down
fuel usage.

A business tight on cash will simply slow down its operations to cut down on fuel usage??
That is the route to this place called bankruptcy

Rebates could be used to repay debt or
conserved for future fuel expenses.

The rebate is going to be less than the tax revenue, so...
option 1 paying down debt with $0.80 to $0,90 of your dollar that Justin is going to give you
Option 2. paying down debt with $1 and tell Justin to keep his hands out of your pockets

The more affluent
ones don't care

.

The more affluent ones have business and have employees which are going to affected by this insanity
They also care about this countries future
They care and likely more than most

You could consider saying the more affluent ones will not be as adversely impacted on a personal financial level

Refunds would be deployed for
a variety of different purposes other than those
for reduction of fuel consumption.

Do not kid yourself, this wealth redistribution via the backdoor

Meanwhile small
businesses suffer while the credulous are suckered
by Trudeau to believe he is serious with meeting the net-zero
emission target

Agreed. A lot of negatives for Canadians for an unachievable objective

 

[shack]

Title of the thread:

Gas going up .40 cents????

Going up point four zero of a cent?

Doesn't seem so bad.

Great minds think alike.