Spent many winters in an E36 with a faulty traction control. Earned my drifting stripes.
Fwd suv's
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Spent many winters in an E36 with a faulty traction control. Earned my drifting stripes.
I agree with FAST (not gonna bother with the quotes as im on my phone)
The SUV's in the Winter are so careless. In a really really bad storm, there are typically 1 or 2 lanes in use and a third buried in snow. Theres always that jackass who will barrel through that buried lane because they drive an SUV with winters. In my experience they are the ones who wi d up in the ditch
The SUV's in the Winter are so careless. In a really really bad storm, there are typically 1 or 2 lanes in use and a third buried in snow. Theres always that jackass who will barrel through that buried lane because they drive an SUV with winters. In my experience they are the ones who wi d up in the ditch
Drizzt and whynot888,...a couple of guys who actually drive outside of the city, with their brains, and their eyes open.
And knows the joy of going through corners sideways.
The steering wheel controls the front of the car, and the right foot controls the back of the car, assuming your not driving a 10 year old Camry.
FAST
And knows the joy of going through corners sideways.
The steering wheel controls the front of the car, and the right foot controls the back of the car, assuming your not driving a 10 year old Camry.
FAST
Ideally, it sounds like you need a Wrangler. It's rear wheel drive, but you can lock it in 4x4 mode with the pull of a switch. That way you aren't wearing out mechanicals to all wheels constantly because in most circumstances rear wheel drive will get ya through no problem
Additionally , the wrangler is the only suv on the market which is also a convertible. summer time bonus.
Plus as was mentioned in another thread, it's a great chick magnet. Running off to make some popcorn
Additionally , the wrangler is the only suv on the market which is also a convertible. summer time bonus.
Plus as was mentioned in another thread, it's a great chick magnet. Running off to make some popcorn
Well, I live in the city. Its the city drivers that scare me. 4x4 (or the inferior AWD) is a blessing and a curse. Great as it allows you to get out of some tough spots but it also gives you a false sense of confidence.
Truth is, when you drive you have to drive according to the situation around you. If there is a blizzard, and everyone is doing 60 on the highway you should also be doing that. If you're an ass and are doing anything over 80 you are putting yourself and others at risk. No technology will allow you to brake fast enough if someone in front of you spins out. Rural folk know what they are doing, and Im less concerned with them. Immigrants who come from parts of the world with no snow worry me the most. Just lack of experience. They need a few winters under their belt.
And you are correct, the steering wheel controls the front, the accelerator pedal controls the back. Thats my preference.
If you are going to CONSTANTLY say stupid things, you should expect someone to call you out. For example:
You are very quick to personally insult people that disagree with you, I didn't insult you in any way in my original post. Examples from you just the last 2 days.
- "You can't read", "You have no clue what you are talking about.", "You suffer from an inferiority complex. Grow up, and get help"
- "I NEVER said otherwise,...bigot,...!!!"
- "Don't you guys realize that you are all bigots and racists, for not agreeing with the attackers in the OP. ......, according to the spineless, and out of touch with reality here anyway."
- ""A bigot is a blinkered, narrow-minded person, usually also very intolerant and unable to see anyone else's point of view. Seems to fit a number of people here on terb,...not to mention any names."
- "I did not "hear" that,...country bumpkin,...its fact,...something that union members like to ignore."
- "I'm jealous of a retired auto worker,...too funny."
In fact, in the last 5 days you had 9 separate name-calling fights with people.
Funny you should criticise Fuji for his spelling and grammar. You average 1-2 errors in about 50% of your posts. Several in this thread alone.
Perhaps you should "Grow up and get out". At the very least, an anger management course seems appropriate.
This statement is incorrect for about 75% of the cars on the road (FWD and front biased AWD). A FWD car can be steered with the throttle, but the action occurs at the front wheels. The rear wheels will follow the front tires and the current moment of inertia. You claim 6 years of formula racing experience (talk about BS and ego!), so you should already know this. Shall I provide you proof, or do you accept your error?
Pretty damn irresponsible thing to do on a public road. I guess all the other drivers on the road get the last laugh though, as they wave at you after the accident you caused.
Turns out Drizzt drives in the city - sounds like only you "make statements about people and events that you have absolutely no knowledge about, in an effort to bolster your very fragile ego"
You are very quick to personally insult people that disagree with you, I didn't insult you in any way in my original post. Examples from you just the last 2 days.
- "You can't read", "You have no clue what you are talking about.", "You suffer from an inferiority complex. Grow up, and get help"
- "I NEVER said otherwise,...bigot,...!!!"
- "Don't you guys realize that you are all bigots and racists, for not agreeing with the attackers in the OP. ......, according to the spineless, and out of touch with reality here anyway."
- ""A bigot is a blinkered, narrow-minded person, usually also very intolerant and unable to see anyone else's point of view. Seems to fit a number of people here on terb,...not to mention any names."
- "I did not "hear" that,...country bumpkin,...its fact,...something that union members like to ignore."
- "I'm jealous of a retired auto worker,...too funny."
In fact, in the last 5 days you had 9 separate name-calling fights with people.
Funny you should criticise Fuji for his spelling and grammar. You average 1-2 errors in about 50% of your posts. Several in this thread alone.
Perhaps you should "Grow up and get out". At the very least, an anger management course seems appropriate.
LOL, Whitewater you are so humble, we all know it's not the truck. <big smile>
There is nothing more important to the handling, performance and safety of a car than tires. Truly, "where the rubber hits the road."
The rubber compound is much different for a winter tire, than an "all season". It remains soft and pliant in cold weather and therefore has better grip. This is especially important on wet, or icy roads or when there is a skim of snow. The best winter tires have the softest compound but will wear out really fast when driven above 10 C. All Season tires, especialy ones that last a long time, are much harder in the winter and can be like hockey pucks when it gets really cold.
The incremental cost of winter tires is pretty much just the cost to change them over each year because when you are putting miles on the winter tires, your summer tires are not being used.
For those who are such real men and great drivers that they do not need winter tires, imagine how good of a driver you'd be with the optimum tires for the conditions! F1 races are won and lost on tire compound choices.
To the OP. FWD cars are just fine in almost all southern Ontario driving conditions. The most important factor in normal winter driving performance is tires. Buy whatever car you like, FWD, AWD, 4x4...and invest in winter tires.
The rubber compound is much different for a winter tire, than an "all season". It remains soft and pliant in cold weather and therefore has better grip. This is especially important on wet, or icy roads or when there is a skim of snow. The best winter tires have the softest compound but will wear out really fast when driven above 10 C. All Season tires, especialy ones that last a long time, are much harder in the winter and can be like hockey pucks when it gets really cold.
The incremental cost of winter tires is pretty much just the cost to change them over each year because when you are putting miles on the winter tires, your summer tires are not being used.
For those who are such real men and great drivers that they do not need winter tires, imagine how good of a driver you'd be with the optimum tires for the conditions! F1 races are won and lost on tire compound choices.
To the OP. FWD cars are just fine in almost all southern Ontario driving conditions. The most important factor in normal winter driving performance is tires. Buy whatever car you like, FWD, AWD, 4x4...and invest in winter tires.
Keep it up, your just digging yourself a bigger hole.
I have never criticized fuji for spelling and grammar, so I guess we can add lying to your other traits.
You initiated the name calling, as did everybody else I reply with "name calling".
As far as controlling a car with the right foot,... if you were half as knowledgeable/experienced as you think you are, you would have understood, as the other posters here did, I was obviously talking about RWD.
FAST
If you would like some driving lessons, please let me know, its obvious that you need it.
Sounds good - if you don't drive near other people.
I never used winter tires until a few years ago. When I did I noticed a huge difference (even in dry conditions).
Agree that winter tires are better than all season tires in the winter, so what else is new, never said otherwise.
As I have already stated, I had to buy winter tires for my 330ci, as the performance tires it came with were useless in the winter.
BUT, with an AWD, and intelligence, and skills, I have have no problems what so ever, and routinely watch idiots sliding through red lites and stop signs, and spinning into the ditch, as I drive by with a smile.
I never hold up anybody who is a sane driver, regardless the conditions.
Question, I fully aware that AWD does NOT help stopping, do you drive an AWD/4x4 ?
Something to note, winter tires generally have a smaller contact area, especially with sport sedans etc., so when stopping (even in dry conditions), there is not much, if any difference.
FAST
We're still talking about winter tires in winter conditions aren't we?? OMG, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!! Winter tires are intentionally sized more narrow and the design and cold resistant compound allows for the needed contact patch for significantly improved braking and steering.
Again, how many times has that happened in the REAL world? Where is it that you drive that you see sooooo many errors and accidents?
And just as important - handling. How is your AWD, tremendous intelligence, and skills going to help you when someone spins out in front of you. You do realize old man, as you get older your reaction times get poorer and in regards to your intelligence ........
Pretty hard to take anyone seriously who says:
1. They are such a good driver that they wouldn't benefit from winter tires.
2. That they "routinely" see many people having accidents. I drive a lot. I'd guess over a million miles in my lifetime. And in all conditions. And I have maybe been eyewitness to a half dozen accidents...max.
3. That they "drift" anything. Least of all a luxury SUV on public roads.
Sounds like someone driving from their mom's basement.
1. They are such a good driver that they wouldn't benefit from winter tires.
2. That they "routinely" see many people having accidents. I drive a lot. I'd guess over a million miles in my lifetime. And in all conditions. And I have maybe been eyewitness to a half dozen accidents...max.
3. That they "drift" anything. Least of all a luxury SUV on public roads.
Sounds like someone driving from their mom's basement.
What name did I call you FIRST?
lol, Every example I provided is searchable, our fellow Terbites are free to search to see for themselves who initiated the name calling. I think everyone already knows your MO.
Two more new fights and more examples of your insults from the last week:
- "The next time you post with,..."great clarity",...will be your 1st."
- "Actually you are full of bull shit,...again."
- "Read the words out loud a few times if that helps you."
- ",... "racists haters in this board",...of which you are also."
I fully understood, I stated: "<your> statement is incorrect for about 75% of the cars on the road (FWD and front biased AWD) ......". In the original, I even underlined it for you.
To further discredit your daily BS: In modern rear-wheel driven cars, the stability control program will in almost all case prevent drifting and sliding. You mentioned you drive a Q50. That car has a very sophisticated stability control program. When it senses the rear end slipping, it transfers torque to the front wheels, reduces throttle position, retards timing and applies ABS braking to the rear wheels with excess spin. All this results in your Q50 being virtually impossible to drift or slide. I'm guessing you will now claim you turn the program off and/or were talking about your go-karting experience.
Your quick temper and tendency to BS/yahoo makes it very easy to bait you. I'll drop this and let you get the last word in, until the time you say something completely idiotic. 5....4....3....
LOL @ FAST's reduced "contact area" analysis. Completely different factors in winter driving and a larger contact area is wayyyyy down on the list. In fact, it can often be a hindrance in establishing "contact" with a tractionable surface as the increased float and lowered pressure of the footprint on the traction surface will reduce braking ability. I guess he also thinks that big fat tires are better in the rain...think hydroplaning.
Another, doesn't know it all rant.
Were did I say that contact area is high up the list in winter conditions.
I said, that in the dry, a larger contact area can be advantageous, when comparing wider all season tires to narrow winter tires.
You and your other loser buddy must really have problems with being shown you are wrong so often.
In the dry, as I pointed out, contact area can make up for tread compound differences, and can even be more important in the wet, assuming no standing water.
I guess that's why race cars have very skinny tires when racing in the rain,...???
When you have gained some real world experience, let me know.
Until then, you and your loser buddy can go about your weird stalking, but its really kinda creepy though.
FAST
Those who are the 1st to initiate insults, are also the 1st to complain when they get it in return.
And hoping that other drivers don't do something stupid. That's the part out of your control.
And when that sliding brings them into your lane?
Other drivers are the reason why I bought winters.
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As Schlong correctly said, in winter conditions (dry or not) a properly sized narrower winter tire will outperform wider all-season tires in all situations. In addition, a properly sized narrower winter tire will in most cases and conditions outperform a wider OEM sized winter tire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_tyre
Backpedaling again - In post #32, you said "winter tires generally have a smaller contact area, especially with sport sedans etc., so when stopping (even in dry conditions), there is not much, if any difference."
As Schlong correctly said, in winter conditions (dry or not) a properly sized narrower winter tire will outperform wider all-season tires in all situations. In addition, a properly sized narrower winter tire will in most cases and conditions outperform a wider OEM sized winter tire.
Absolutely wrong. A winter tire's compound is meant to stay pliable at temperatures below 10C and will brake better than an all-season tire, dry or wet (assuming they are of similar quality). It will also in under most conditions handle and accelerate better. Also wrong regarding wet conditions as there is an optimum relationship between hydroplaning, weight, contact patch and ability to evacuate water.
LOL, Ignoring your "very skinny" foolishness, that is exactly right! (silly you) Rain tires are made of a different compound and have specially designed grooves engraved into the tread to evacuate water - those grooves in essence gives the tire less contact width effectively making the contact patch narrower. In addition some rain tires are smaller diameter (they spin faster and throw the water off more quickly) and are narrower (to reduce hydroplaning).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_tyre
Along with all of you useless rantings, childish insults, and lies,... "I'll drop this and let you get the last word in",...your word is also a useless lie.
To be expected.
I am done with you,...but you can take my word on that.
FAST
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