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squeezer

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It's a bad question. I would have choices. You don't get to set the parameters of the election by your own rules.

Here is my point. What you are promoting is "shut up and vote who we, the Elites, tell you to." Sorry, that's not how democracy really works.

But in the case of only two? I vote down ballot only and give neither the vote. I write in if I can.
You are not understanding my question. I am asking you of the two who WILL BE running the USA, which one is better for the US? It's a simple question. One is better than the other even if neither meets your level of competency, one is still better to run the country for the next 4 years than the other so PLEASE tell me which one you believe is better for the US for the next 4 years. I suspect, I have a hunch who you prefer of the two but I want to see if you have the balls to just come out and admit it.
 

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You are not understanding my question. I am asking you of the two who WILL BE running the USA, which one is better for the US? It's a simple question. One is better than the other even if neither meets your level of competency, one is still better to run the country for the next 4 years than the other so PLEASE tell me which one you believe is better for the US for the next 4 years. I suspect, I have a hunch who you prefer of the two but I want to see if you have the balls to just come out and admit it.
My answer continues to be neither. Kamala has just clearly stated she does not support Medicare for all, supports fracking. Will tow the line on war mongering. Basically she is a Muppet for the donors. She is a political weather vane. I'm not seeing the qualities she supposedly has. 1 year ago the party wanted to dump her ass as a liability. Someone who couldn’t get anything done. Now suddenly she is qualified to be President? I think not.

Trump is Trump. More chaos. Usual shit. More division.

This latest round of idiocy in the American system just proves once again things need to get worse before it gets better. And both candidates qualify to bring that.

I know you support Harris, but what do you think she will actually accomplish?
 

Valcazar

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Yes. And reports said Pelosi threatened just that if he didn't step down from the nomination. So why is he still there if the threat is valid?
What makes you believe those reports?
What makes you believe her threat, if it existed, is valid?

Even if you buy those reports, they show Pelosi (and Obama apparently?) threatening to use the 25th to try and force him to step down.
That means it was a threat to cause the political situation to get worse.

You do know that they wouldn't have been able to remove him with the 25th amendment, right?
We saw how ineffective it is with Trump.
It only really works for a President who has been incapacitated (in a coma, under surgery, and so on).
 
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Valcazar

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You really do not comprehend how the nomination system works.
You're talking to a man who thinks the DNC screwed Bernie and admitted it in court.

"You really do not comprehend how the nomination system works." is a wild understatement.
 

Valcazar

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Stop avoiding the question. It is a very simple question. You only have two choices of whom is going to run the USA for the next 4 years. THERE IS NO THIRD PARTY or another individual besides a conman or a lawyer who will win so which one do you choose to win of the two? Which one of the two is better for the US?
He isn't avoiding the question.
While I doubt very much he would ever vote a protest vote in an election he actually had a stake in (The way he talks about voting in Canada is always different.), he does seem to believe in the whole "Third Party Protest Votes are Morally Good" delusion. Not in the, "I have thought about it strategically and am making a choice based on strategy" way, but just they are a moral good in and of themselves regardless. Or rather, they reflect his moral goodness, which is probably even sillier.
 
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What makes you believe those reports?
What makes you believe her threat, if it existed, is valid?

Even if you buy those reports, they show Pelosi (and Obama apparently?) threatening to use the 25th to try and force him to step down.
That means it was a threat to cause the political situation to get worse.

You do know that they wouldn't have been able to remove him with the 25th amendment, right?
We saw how ineffective it is with Trump.
It only really works for a President who has been incapacitated (in a coma, under surgery, and so on).
You actually think he went voluntarily......
 

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You really do not comprehend how the nomination system works. Yes, Biden won the nomination. But if he decided to do what is good for the party and country as a whole and that was to step down, then elected delegates at The Democratic Convention votes to certify the Presidential Candidate. Maybe you now get it rather than believing some right wing propaganda. Kamala got the 99% of the votes from these delegates!!

Biden is still mentally capable of completing his term in office. Not sure why you seem to be ruffled by this fact, rather than focusing on Trump, who could not accept to this day the real fact that he lost the 2020 Elections fairly and squarely. He is the biggest danger to democracy........PERIOD!!

Sure I do. The party is a private entity who can lie about the process and do whatever the fuck they want. As they admitted court.
 

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Lol. They canceled two state primaries, and hid his cognitive decline. Tried to hide it until after the election.

It's all about a bait and switch. With Kamala being the cheap substitute.
For the time being this is what a Neurologist thinks of Biden:

He may talk slow, he may stutter, he may walk slow, but he does know what he's doing. And he is — knows enough that he's getting good staff to compensate for any slowdown that he may physically have to get the job done.
As for Trump, now around 56% of the Americans think that he is too old to serve in office. So, don't you think that he should also step down?

By the way Republicans held Primaries with just Trump on the ballot. So what's your problem with only the Democrats cancelling State Primaries that also occurred when Bill Clinton and Obama ran for re-election??

Kamala is a much better option than Trump.......... Yes or No? For once answer a question!!
 
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[QUOTE="Butler1000, post: 8596344, member: 169379"

Of course it isn't the most important thing in my life, but considering you posting history, Trump is clearly to you. And that is just so pathetic. I enjoy watching partisans like yourself get twisted up in knots. You are clearly so emotional about Trump. He is the bad girlfriend you hate. So much so ypu can't see how toxic the Dems are as well. You think they are above criticism.

No one is.
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Your partisan POVs seem to make excuses by constantly pointing the blame at Democrats. So, if the Democrats are "toxic" in your opinion, are you saying that the Republicans have better moral and political values? How about the felon like Trump who was found guilty on 34 counts, as well as sexual assault charges? Is he less toxic than the Democrats? For once just answer a few simple questions!!
 

Valcazar

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You actually think he went voluntarily......
What does that have to do with whether or not the reports of the threats of the 25th amendment are true?

Or do you think that was the only way they could convince him?
 

Butler1000

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For the time being this is what a Neurologist thinks of Biden:



As for Trump, now around 56% of the Americans think that he is too old to serve in office. So, don't you think that he should also step down?

By the way Republicans held Primaries with just Trump on the ballot. So what's your problem with only the Democrats cancelling State Primaries that also occurred when Bill Clinton and Obama ran for re-election??

Kamala is a much better option than Trump.......... Yes or No? For once answer a question!!
See....he has STAFF? In other words you just admitted non elected people are making presidential decisions. Thanks.
 

bver_hunter

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Stop avoiding the question. It is a very simple question. You only have two choices of whom is going to run the USA for the next 4 years. THERE IS NO THIRD PARTY or another individual besides a conman or a lawyer who will win so which one do you choose to win of the two? Which one of the two is better for the US?
As usual he deflects from answering the questions, but always poses questions and expects answers that only suit his POV!!
 
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Valcazar

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Your partisan POVs seem to make excuses by constantly pointing the blame at Democrats. So, if the Democrats are "toxic" in your opinion, are you saying that the Republicans have better moral and political values? How about the felon like Trump who was found guilty on 34 counts, as well as sexual assault charges? Is he less toxic than the Democrats? For once just answer a few simple questions!!
You have to remember Butler's decision process.

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See....he has STAFF? In other words you just admitted non elected people are making presidential decisions. Thanks.
Don't you think that Presidents consult their staff to make certain difficult decisions.
We know that Trump made his own irrational ones, that is why he had a revolving door in the Whitehouse.
But once again you avoid answering a simple question posed to you!!
 

Butler1000

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What does that have to do with whether or not the reports of the threats of the 25th amendment are true?

Or do you think that was the only way they could convince him?
The public embarrassment? Yes. The reports are they had Kamala on side to call for it. And as Pelosi never went into something without the votes counted I imagine the cabinet votes as well.

Considering the history of the party, which you have conveniently chosen not to acknowledge that I'm right on their primary rigging ways, yes he was forced out. Especially because right up until he suddenly got covid he was saying he was staying in.

These are not good people.
 

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