Ford: Doing a great job!

[Anbarandy]

The primary benefactors of the stupid Employment Standards amendments introduced by the prior Liberal government were unionized workers who already had generous sick leave plans and used the 2 days as a further top up. Either bone headed or an intentional sop to labour in the wake of an upcoming election. Ford was right to repeal it.

a 2 day 'top up' on top of the already generous unionized sick plans?

Which unions were they?

Every construction industry union, for starters.

Name the labor unions that had their member's generous sick plans topped up by an additional 2 days of paid sick leave by their employer because of the changes made by the previous liberal government.

Links please.

Can't you read? EVERY construction labour union. And the problem was even worse than that, because the design of leaves under the Employment Standards Act creates banks of leave based on employment with an individual employer. As a result, every time a construction worker moved between employers (through the union hiring hall) their bank of 2 paid sick days under the Act was refreshed. A total screw up by the Liberals, who never even consulted the construction industry about their amendments, which they crammed through just months before the election (which they lost)

Taking someone a long way from their current level of understanding is always an onerous task, especially if the person you are informing is actively resisting the information.

I can tell from your response that you are too far out of this loop to close this circle quickly. Since I'm not your personal research assistant, I'll tell you the steps you can take to satisfy yourself:

1. Read the Liberal amendments (Bill 148, now repealed). The bill is still available online. That will confirm for you what I've told you about the leave banks attaching to employment with specific employers.
2. Google "mutli-employer benefit plans construction industry". That will allow you to learn about how benefits are administered within the unionized portion of the construction industry. You will find that these plans provide generous short term and long term sickness benefits. However, these benefits do not refresh every time a construction worker changes employers.
3. Compare collective agreements in the construction industry pre Bill 148 to the amended agreements reached after the amendments.

Once you've done all that, if you still have any questions, we can continue this exchange. There are some things (who I am I kidding, it's MOST things!) you won't learn from googling news items written by reporters who don't have the foggiest understanding of these issues.

You can read, a shame that u cannot comprehend.

So once again:

Name the labor unions that had their member's generous sick plans topped up by an additional 2 days of paid sick leave by their employer because of the changes made by the previous liberal government.

Links please.

Everything that u have posted has been irrelevant as to providing verification of your original claim.

If you are unable to verify, it will be considered a nullification of your claim.

 

[Frankfooter]

Frank, how much of wage increase is equivalent to 2 days of paid leave? If you can answer that question, you won't need me to do it for you.

People can always stay home if they are sick or injured. The argument you are really making is that they won't do it unless someone pays them. If this concern relates to pandemics (which are rare), who should bear the burden of this if it became, as you suggesting, part of public health policy? Employers, or taxpayers? Should these additional sick days only be applicable during declared pandemics? If your answer to this last question is no, then you are using the pandemic as a smoke screen for wealth redistribution.

So you're against sick leave because you think its wealth redistribution?
You think its a bad idea to pay people more and that the divide between rich and poor is great as it is?

 

[Dutch Oven]

So you're against sick leave because you think its wealth redistribution?
You think its a bad idea to pay people more and that the divide between rich and poor is great as it is?

I knew you wouldn't/couldn't answer the question. There won't be anything to discuss with you until you can.

 

[Dutch Oven]

You can read, a shame that u cannot comprehend.

So once again:

Name the labor unions that had their member's generous sick plans topped up by an additional 2 days of paid sick leave by their employer because of the changes made by the previous liberal government.

Links please.

Everything that u have posted has been irrelevant as to providing verification of your original claim.

If you are unable to verify, it will be considered a nullification of your claim.

You are too dumb, lazy, and ill-informed about this issue to exchange with.

 

[Frankfooter]

I knew you wouldn't/couldn't answer the question. There won't be anything to discuss with you until you can.

Fine.

Frank, how much of wage increase is equivalent to 2 days of paid leave? If you can answer that question, you won't need me to do it for you.

The answer is zero.
They get paid the same.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Fine.


The answer is zero.
They get paid the same.

Wrong answer. Try again. Getting paid when you don't work is a wage increase. The employer has to replace absent employees to maintain productivity. Haven't you ever employed anyone? I think I know the answer to that.

 

[Anbarandy]

You can read, a shame that u cannot comprehend.

So once again:

Name the labor unions that had their member's generous sick plans topped up by an additional 2 days of paid sick leave by their employer because of the changes made by the previous liberal government.

Links please.

Everything that u have posted has been irrelevant as to providing verification of your original claim.

If you are unable to verify, it will be considered a nullification of your claim.

You are too dumb, lazy, and ill-informed about this issue to exchange with.

Just as I thought.

A full, complete and utter failure to provide any verification to your claim to which I challenged throughout the many, many 'nothing but hot air' posts by you.


"Name the labor unions that had their member's generous sick plans topped up by an additional 2 days of paid sick leave by their employer because of the changes made by the previous liberal government.

Links please.'

 

[Frankfooter]

Wrong answer. Try again. Getting paid when you don't work is a wage increase. The employer has to replace absent employees to maintain productivity. Haven't you ever employed anyone? I think I know the answer to that.

Its not a wage increase, workers will take home no more money, they just won't work sick for a couple of days.
Maybe its going to cost employers if they have to replace those sick workers, but its not a wage increase for workers as you claimed.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Its not a wage increase, workers will take home no more money, they just won't work sick for a couple of days.
Maybe its going to cost employers if they have to replace those sick workers, but its not a wage increase for workers as you claimed.

Fail. Frank, don't ever try to open a business.

 

[Boober69]

Its not a wage increase, workers will take home no more money, they just won't work sick for a couple of days.
Maybe its going to cost employers if they have to replace those sick workers, but its not a wage increase for workers as you claimed.

Of course they would have to replace those sick workers...they have a business to run. If they don't then productivity drops and/or another employee needs to work more.
A company can't just tell their customer's "Bob is sick today so we can't provide our product/services".
Just like when teachers are sick and they have to bring on substitute teachers. Things just don't stop because an employee is not able to work.

Who do you think pays for that?

Of course if you don't work, or run a business, and just accept government handouts to pad your lifestyle none of this would register with you.

 

[Frankfooter]

Of course they would have to replace those sick workers...they have a business to run. If they don't then productivity drops and/or another employee needs to work more.
A company can't just tell their customer's "Bob is sick today so we can't provide our product/services".
Just like when teachers are sick and they have to bring on substitute teachers. Things just don't stop because an employee is not able to work.

Who do you think pays for that?

Of course if you don't work, or run a business, and just accept government handouts to pad your lifestyle none of this would register with you.

The fartmaster said it was a wage increase.
Its not, that's the debate here.

 

[Anbarandy]

The fartmaster said it was a wage increase.
Its not, that's the debate here.

His farts are so explosive that they must have rocketed that Plug deep from his Bud into an ICU ward that according to him are but a hindrance in the quest to cull the human herd in order to activate a 'big bang' economic reset.

 

[basketcase]

Back to Ford, the numbers of people being testing and the provincial testing criteria don't make him look too good right now. Allegedly 30% of symptomatic people sent by doctors have been turned away and we're testing less than 1/3 of our capacity. I hope it's just bureaucracy and not fear that the numbers from increased testing will look bad.

 

[basketcase]

Of course they would have to replace those sick workers...they have a business to run. ...

And how many workers will they have if covid positive people are pressured to work?

 

[Boober69]

The fartmaster said it was a wage increase.
Its not, that's the debate here.

Semantics.

If you are given additional days where you don't have to be at work but get paid as if you were at work, then that can be considered an increase.

i.e. if you work 10 days and make $1000, then that gets changed to working 8 days but you still get $1000, are you not gaining?

 

[Boober69]

Back to Ford, the numbers of people being testing and the provincial testing criteria don't make him look too good right now. Allegedly 30% of symptomatic people sent by doctors have been turned away and we're testing less than 1/3 of our capacity. I hope it's just bureaucracy and not fear that the numbers from increased testing will look bad.

Thinking that Ford is purposely skewing the numbers is a stretch. This is more about not overloading the healthcare system so that the critically ill can be given priority.

 

[Boober69]

And how many workers will they have if covid positive people are pressured to work?

How many workers will they have if people who aren't sick are abusing sick days?

 

[Frankfooter]

How many workers will they have if people who aren't sick are abusing sick days?

What's worse, someone coming in with the flu and spreading it to everyone there or someone staying home for 2 days?
You really don't understand how this pandemic is happening, do you?

 

[Boober69]

What's worse, someone coming in with the flu and spreading it to everyone there or someone staying home for 2 days?
You really don't understand how this pandemic is happening, do you?

Someone with COVID-19 recovers in 2 days?

 

[Frankfooter]

Someone with COVID-19 recovers in 2 days?

You think 2 days isn't enough time?
How many days do you think they should get?