For those of you that want to fight to the last Ukranian

nottyboi

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How did the Russians find out that she donated to the Ukraine cause?
Just goes to show how that despicable beast called Putin is monitoring the everyday lives of the Russians. Zero Democracy in Russia!!
Dummy probably put it on her twitter and had a ukraine flag on there lol. Then she went home to mother russia. Or maybe one of her friend that has a son fighting in the war ratted her out.
 

bver_hunter

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Dummy probably put it on her twitter and had a ukraine flag on there lol. Then she went home to mother russia. Or maybe one of her friend that has a son fighting in the war ratted her out.
She goes to see her close family members and then is arrested for "treason" based on $52 donations!!
Does any sane individual support this arrest, and blame the victim?
 

oil&gas

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So Ukraine has no rights to defend themselves from a war started by Russia?
Didn't say anything Ukraine has no right to fight off invaders in my post.

Sooner or later the west will have to figure out ways other than paying
Ukrainians to safeguard that right to deter Putin.
 

bver_hunter

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Didn't say anything Ukraine has no right to fight off invaders in my post.

Sooner or later the west will have to figure out ways other than paying
Ukrainians to safeguard that right to deter Putin.
Then are the "16 to 60 years recruits" responsible for the Russian soldiers that are killed?
Putin should take that responsibility for starting the war in the first place!!
If Ukraine falls then expect NATO Members like Poland to be the next on Putin's radar!!
 

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Before Ukraine falls expect European support to begin waning.
The UK has even tightened up criteria for sponsorship of Ukrainian
refugees. It is understandable for them to look after their own interest
first. But when the government had to do so without making even any
half-heart attempt of public consultation you have to wonder how
much longer they can keep up with support of the war.
 

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Oct 7th was just a battle in a war that had never stopped because Israel was winning and achieving its goals. The world was content to ignore the slo mo genocide. Oct 7th has changed the map. Even if Israel has military superiority Israels GDP is down 20% and the boycott movement will harm them for a long time. and the war can still evolove in many ways against them.
thats all fine and good.
Did or did not, Russia invade the Ukraine and kill people touching off a war. Did or did not Hamas do the same.

Just start there without all the prevarications.
 

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thats all fine and good.
Did or did not, Russia invade the Ukraine and kill people touching off a war. Did or did not Hamas do the same.
5 or god forbid 10 years from now Ukraine is still fighting
and getting killed this would still be the most powerful
justification of funding the war.
 

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Amanpour to ex-Putin adviser: Why do you want to send your men to be slaughtered?
 

basketcase

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Or a war that could have been avoided if Israel had abided by multiple UN resolutions.
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Frank's got a woody because yet another thread has diverted into his hateful obsession. He doesn't want to be too critical of Notty and his putin love because they share a hatred of Israel so he just sat here waiting for a chance to jump in.

I could comment about the 100 years of Palestinian leaders refusing any coexistence but Frank doesn't believe Arabs are capable of making their own choices.
 

basketcase

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Oct 7th was just a battle in a war that had never stopped because...
...Palestinian leaders don't accept the existence of a non-subjugated Jewish presence just like Putin can't accept the presence of a non-subjugated Ukrainian presence.

Putin launched a war to eliminate Ukraine. Hamas launched a war to eliminate Israel. Only difference is as pointed out, Hamas chose a target much stronger than them because they are willing to sacrifice their own people for PR reasons.
 

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Well first we had Oct7, then Hezbollah attacked Northern Israel causing it to be evacuated, then we had the ICJ process, then the Houthis started to attack Israeli related ships... ...
As Sesame street says, one of those things is not like the other one. Oct 7 - terror attack starting a war. Hezbollah - indiscriminate attacks hopefully not starting a full scale war. Houthis - essentially indiscriminate violence that started a war with the international community.

On the other hand, a legal process. Would have been nice if Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and the other Iranian proxies engaged in peaceful negotiations or legal processes instead of pushing their violent agenda.
 

basketcase

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The problem is with seeing entitlement to territory, even the part you just arbitrarily grabbed...
Arbitrarily? Legal immigrants, long term indigenous Jews, and Arab Jews chased from their long time homes and a UN partition are "arbitrary"?
 

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They why did they fund Hamas? Why don't they make a good 3rd party offer to leave all the occupied land including the Goalan Heights in return for a comprehesive peace. Why do they continue to annex land?
1. Because the PLO was engaged in terrorism and they hoped Hamas would be an alternative.
2. Syria and Hamas refuse to negotiate so there is no way to make an offer to them. The PA and Arafat have repeatedly rejected peace because their rhetoric about eliminating the Jewish presence backed them into a corner that won't allow them to stay in power after discussing peace.

And there is no "continued" annexation of land. East Jerusalem and the Golan was annexed decades ago but other than Netanyahu pandering to the far right, there is not going to any annexation. As the UN says, the only solution will be a negotiated Two State peace based around the pre '67 lines, not 100 years of terror.
 

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The west can thank Ukraine after they run out of 16 year old
and 60 year old conscripts for all the Russian soldiers killed.
Other countries bordering Ukraine are happy that Russia is being ground down in Ukraine rather than waiting for Vlad to go after them. Europe's support of Ukraine is based on the realistic threat Russia is to them.
 

basketcase

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THe zionist movement did. They venerate his killer and the Mosque mass murderer today. The Israeli govt is controlled by Zionists and they have repuidated any sort of Palestinian statehood.
More Jewish conspiracy from you. A member of an extremely fringe group that was banned by the Israeli government assassinated Rabin, not the Israeli government.

And the same Zionist party that rules now made a comprehensive peace offer in 2008 that hit every point on the Arab League and UN expectations and Abbas just walked away. If Abbas engaged in negotiations at the time, there would be a fully contiguous Palestinian state on 100% of the West Bank with a land corridor to Gaza, a shared Jerusalem, international oversite of the Holy Basin, some number of refugees being allowed to become Israeli with the rest getting compensation to settle in Palestine, the land of their birth, or third countries like Canada. In some interviews, Abbas said his only issue was exactly what land was being swapped, wanting 4% land swaps instead of 6%. But he rejected it without even a counter-offer.

If he had wanted, there would be a Palestinian state now and Netanyahu wouldn't have any sway (or his far right backers). Sadly it wouldn't change the genocidal goals of Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, ....

Kach is banned in Israel. It's former supporters that back Ben Gvir make up far less than 5% of Israelis. Too bad Hamas wasn't as fringe a groups in Palestinian society.
 

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Israel is fine with "peaceful coexistence" - just not the kind of "peaceful coexistence" where the Palis launch "rape and kidnap" raids into Israeli territory every couple of weeks.
Just the kind of 'peaceful coexistence' where they put Palestinians in a concentration camp, drop bombs on them and then take the rest of their land.
Monsters.
 

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More Jewish conspiracy from you. A member of an extremely fringe group that was banned by the Israeli government assassinated Rabin, not the Israeli government.

And the same Zionist party that rules now made a comprehensive peace offer in 2008 that hit every point on the Arab League and UN expectations and Abbas just walked away. If Abbas engaged in negotiations at the time, there would be a fully contiguous Palestinian state on 100% of the West Bank with a land corridor to Gaza, a shared Jerusalem, international oversite of the Holy Basin, some number of refugees being allowed to become Israeli with the rest getting compensation to settle in Palestine, the land of their birth, or third countries like Canada. In some interviews, Abbas said his only issue was exactly what land was being swapped, wanting 4% land swaps instead of 6%. But he rejected it without even a counter-offer.

If he had wanted, there would be a Palestinian state now and Netanyahu wouldn't have any sway (or his far right backers). Sadly it wouldn't change the genocidal goals of Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, ....

Kach is banned in Israel. It's former supporters that back Ben Gvir make up far less than 5% of Israelis. Too bad Hamas wasn't as fringe a groups in Palestinian society.
There was never a legit peace offer.
 

nottyboi

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More Jewish conspiracy from you. A member of an extremely fringe group that was banned by the Israeli government assassinated Rabin, not the Israeli government.

And the same Zionist party that rules now made a comprehensive peace offer in 2008 that hit every point on the Arab League and UN expectations and Abbas just walked away. If Abbas engaged in negotiations at the time, there would be a fully contiguous Palestinian state on 100% of the West Bank with a land corridor to Gaza, a shared Jerusalem, international oversite of the Holy Basin, some number of refugees being allowed to become Israeli with the rest getting compensation to settle in Palestine, the land of their birth, or third countries like Canada. In some interviews, Abbas said his only issue was exactly what land was being swapped, wanting 4% land swaps instead of 6%. But he rejected it without even a counter-offer.

If he had wanted, there would be a Palestinian state now and Netanyahu wouldn't have any sway (or his far right backers). Sadly it wouldn't change the genocidal goals of Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, ....

Kach is banned in Israel. It's former supporters that back Ben Gvir make up far less than 5% of Israelis. Too bad Hamas wasn't as fringe a groups in Palestinian society.
Bla bla bla, horseshit:

 

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5 or god forbid 10 years from now Ukraine is still fighting
and getting killed this would still be the most powerful
justification of funding the war.
Know what’s kind of funny or telling? There are a few screaming for a ceasefire in Gaza, but not Ukraine or have said Can’t blame Ukraine and they should fight to the last man.

When you cut through the prevarications and emotions. Aka the noise.

Both wars, touched off by Russia and Hamas. As simple as that. And in a few cases very um, different stances.
 
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