For the protection and privacy...

[KBear]

It is unfortunate that you were branded a perv by the manager, that should not happen.

There are many reasons why they have the no picture policy in place. One being as mentioned that the flash going off would be a distraction to others. The manager would not know what equipment you are using.

The other would be that people who stop on the skating rink to take pictures of their kids become an obstacle. In this “me” society, everyone feels they have the right to do as they want, with little consideration for others. People stopping on the rink to take pictures would interfere with the flow of others, as they would have to skate around them. It is not the taking pictures that is the problem, but the excited parents stopping and moving around and positioning to get that perfect shot that would interfere with other peoples skating enjoyment. You get a few families stopped in the middle of the rink posing for the family portraits and the rink would no longer be a skating rink, but a photo studio.

If some another skater came along as you were setting up for that perfect shot, did not see you and whacked into you breaking your camera, who would you blame? Would you expect the other skater to pay for your damaged camera? If that skater was injured, would you pay compensation to them?

If you wanted to stop and take pictures of your kids in the park I doubt anyone would care, but to stop in the middle of a staking rink is a problem.

The other reason is that they don’t want to deal with people fighting over that perfect location to take pictures of their kids. or the excited parents waiting till no other people are in the background of the picture, and others avoiding the area so they will not be in the picture. They have this rule in some parks for wedding photography, so people will not be fighting over locations, or others being in the background. With permits photographers will get exclusive use of the area for a time.

 

[tboy]

It really is sad in my POV that you actually believe that. Sorry. I still don't want to live in world.

Well, I hate to say it but 'either get used to it or get out now...".

BUT Kbear, you forget that all that doesn't matter, Player wanted a picture of his kids dammit!!! lol

(sorry, couldn't resist lol)

 

[a 1 player]

It is unfortunate that you were branded a perv by the manager, that should not happen.

There are many reasons why they have the no picture policy in place. One being as mentioned that the flash going off would be a distraction to others. The manager would not know what equipment you are using.

The other would be that people who stop on the skating rink to take pictures of their kids become an obstacle. In this “me” society, everyone feels they have the right to do as they want, with little consideration for others. People stopping on the rink to take pictures would interfere with the flow of others, as they would have to skate around them. It is not the taking pictures that is the problem, but the excited parents stopping and moving around and positioning to get that perfect shot that would interfere with other peoples skating enjoyment. You get a few families stopped in the middle of the rink posing for the family portraits and the rink would no longer be a skating rink, but a photo studio.

If some another skater came along as you were setting up for that perfect shot, did not see you and whacked into you breaking your camera, who would you blame? Would you expect the other skater to pay for your damaged camera? If that skater was injured, would you pay compensation to them?

If you wanted to stop and take pictures of your kids in the park I doubt anyone would care, but to stop in the middle of a staking rink is a problem.

The other reason is that they don’t want to deal with people fighting over that perfect location to take pictures of their kids. or the excited parents waiting till no other people are in the background of the picture, and others avoiding the area so they will not be in the picture. They have this rule in some parks for wedding photography, so people will not be fighting over locations, or others being in the background. With permits photographers will get exclusive use of the area for a time.

Now that is an excellent argument KBear, well done!!! I agree with everything you said.

The only thing that I failed to mention is that I was not on the ice and had no intentions of doing so. I was on the players bench which has access from the back and was not interfering with the flow of skaters in any manner, not even leaning over the boards.

 

[thompo69]

Before you go jumping on the lawsuit wagon remember we are a common law society: YOU don't press charges, the police agencies do and if there was a charge to be laid, the officer involved would have done it.

While a1player has made it clear that he never intended to go the lawsuit route, some things need to be corrected here. Police agencies file criminal charges, yes. This has nothing to do with filing a lawsuit, which would be a civil action and with which the police would not be involved in any way, except for this officer who offered to serve as a witness. And the fact that we are in a common law society has nothing to do with who lays criminal charges, it has to do with the fact that the system is based on jurisprudence.

In fact, it is not only the police that can lay charges. Individuals can themselves pursue a private prosecution, although this is extremely rare nowadays.

 

[tboy]

Yes, I agree, I kind of mixed metaphors there, I was referring to the charges being laid and if there were charges to be laid, the officer who witnessed the argument would have done so at the time......

 

[KBear]

of our patrons, video recording equipment and cameras are not allowed on this premises without written consent.

The one other thing is that "written consent" should have read, "permit". That way the lady could have just told you permits are issued at city hall, and be done with it.

and thanks.

 

[hickorysticks]

I think you might just be right. And I have gotten laid twice so far as well!

Way to stay positive! Does that mean you had a good date last night?

 

[a 1 player]

Way to stay positive! Does that mean you had a good date last night?

..........

 

[Rockslinger]

And I have gotten laid twice so far as well!

Twice already and it is only January 3rd. Aren't you afraid that it might get stale if you do it 400 times a year? (I like hockey but I couldn't play it every night. Starts being a chore.)

 

[a 1 player]

Twice already and it is only January 3rd. Aren't you afraid that it might get stale if you do it 400 times a year? (I like hockey but I couldn't play it every night. Starts being a chore.)

I'll let ya know when it gets there.

 

[rama putri]

Well, I hate to say it but 'either get used to it or get out now...".

Sorry buddy, you're the one that doesn't get it. Fight it was the correct answer, not be a sheep to stupidity.

 

[hamermill]

It is interesting how you decided to post this story on an escort review board

Sometimes it is better to err on the side of caution when it comes to kids - the attendent probably was to overzealous. But then again there are so many pervs out there - her heart was there.

 

[tboy]

Sorry buddy, you're the one that doesn't get it. Fight it was the correct answer, not be a sheep to stupidity.

So, exactly HOW are you going to fight it? Stop obeying the rules? DON'T take steps to protect your kids from sexual predators? Yell BOMB at an airport security checkpoint? Talk on your cellphone in a movie theatre? Take pictures in places where it is banned?

 

[rama putri]

So, exactly HOW are you going to fight it? Stop obeying the rules? DON'T take steps to protect your kids from sexual predators? Yell BOMB at an airport security checkpoint? Talk on your cellphone in a movie theatre? Take pictures in places where it is banned?

LMAO Your world must be really sad for you to think like this. Can't explain calculus to someone with cerebral palsy is the only way for me to retort.

 

[a 1 player]

Not only that, but he got an endorsement for Casio watches, too. I bet it's at least as good as my JLC contract.

I'll bet it is, shows the world just how thrifty I am and how good I am with money. And to think, I only have to pay them $15 for that great watch I've now had for 9 years.

 

[tboy]

LMAO Your world must be really sad for you to think like this. Can't explain calculus to someone with cerebral palsy is the only way for me to retort.

Because you HAVE no way to "fight" against rules put in place to protect our privacy......

Now let's keep this insult free shall we? Or are you going to bring this down to the kindergarten level and start hurling insults?

 

[a 1 player]

So, exactly HOW are you going to fight it?

Because you HAVE no way to "fight" against rules put in place to protect our privacy......

I have been asking myself that question for a few years now. Here are some ways I PERSONALLY choose to do so.

-when you see something you believe is wrong, speak up
-write letters to your MP to tell them how rediculous some rules are
-write to the newspaper to make my opinion known
-do not tolerate racism
-praise people for doing the right thing
-publicly challenge the wrong behaviour
-teach your children well
-yes, break some rules if they are wrong

In short, I would rather be a lion with a few confrontations along the way than a sheep being lead. Just because a rule or law is in place, does not mean it is a good one. Actually, I feel very sad for those who do not challenge what they feel is wrong. Do you think the Berlin wall would have fallen if people did not protest and did not say 'this is wrong'?

 

[tboy]

Well player, there is wrong, and then there's wrong.....You personally may feel that not allowing photos to be taken at the rink YOU chose to skate at is wrong, but considering there wasn't a line up of people ahead of you complaining about it I can bet there are many who appreciate the rule.

I honestly think you'd have a really hard time convincing other parents that they should allow anyone to take pictures of them and their kids.

Now if you had come here and said that you'd "fight" to get the laws changed in regards to how pedophiles are treated, and want stiffer penalties and or automatic chemical castration, then I'd say yeah, fight for that. But to fight so that you can take pictures of your kids at a skating rink?

I think it's called "choosing your battles" and frankly, if you're teaching your kids to fight against any rule they don't agree with then they are in for a long hard life.

I wasn't going to bring this up but: How did you enjoy your kid's first skate anyways? Didn't you miss out on sharing that with them while you were in the office fighting for your right to shoot them? Also, after this confrontation, did it spoil your mood?

I don't know you but I think you probably would have had a better time if you'd just pocketed your camera and watched your kids having fun on the ice......

Sorry, comparing your experience at the skating rink to the berlin wall, well, that's just plain juvenile my friend.......

I thought of something while I was getting out of the shower just now: You are kind of reminding me of that poster that used to come here, her handle was "fabulous" and everything was a fight with her, from the TTC, to the manager at the fast food joint who asked her kid to dispose of a dead mouse, to all doctors everywhere. Seems that everything always happened to her....

The simple solution to your problem and no battle or fight is required? Go to a rink that allows photographs. There you go, done, no fuss no muss no bother.......your attitude on this topic is kind of like someone going to a vegetarian restaurant and demanding that they serve him a black angus steak......

 

[a 1 player]

Well player, there is wrong, and then there's wrong.....You personally may feel that not allowing photos to be taken at the rink YOU chose to skate at is wrong, but considering there wasn't a line up of people ahead of you complaining about it I can bet there are many who appreciate the rule.

I believe that there are many who probably think the rule silly, or at least badly worded, as I do. KBear made some great points as to why this rule might be in effect.

I honestly think you'd have a really hard time convincing other parents that they should allow anyone to take pictures of them and their kids.

Have you even read a word of this thread? I was taking pictures of MY kids, not them and their kids. Why the fuck would I want pictures of anyone who I don't know? I was not the only one over the course of the day who was asked not to take pictures either, there are at least 2 other people. As far as I know though, I was the only one who went to get a permission slip.

Now if you had come here and said that you'd "fight" to get the laws changed in regards to how pedophiles are treated, and want stiffer penalties and or automatic chemical castration, then I'd say yeah, fight for that. But to fight so that you can take pictures of your kids at a skating rink?

An oak tree is much harder to cut down when it is fully grown, I would rather do that while it is a sapling. The same goes here, if one does not get involved now, it will be much harder to fight down the road.

I think it's called "choosing your battles" and frankly, if you're teaching your kids to fight against any rule they don't agree with then they are in for a long hard life.

I don't teach my kids to fight against EVERY rule, that would be silly wouldn't it. I do teach them however to QUESTION athourity, and to stand up for what they believe is right. My kids know me well, they already KNOW how long and hard life can be.

I wasn't going to bring this up but: How did you enjoy your kid's first skate anyways? Didn't you miss out on sharing that with them while you were in the office fighting for your right to shoot them? Also, after this confrontation, did it spoil your mood?

The skate was great thank you. They took to ice like little penguins, couple of laps and they did not want any more help from me. The whole thing took less than three minutes so I really did not miss much. How could spending a day with my kids spoil my mood? I was upset for a couple of minutes, but that went away very quickly. Life is too short to stay mad.

I don't know you but I think you probably would have had a better time if you'd just pocketed your camera and watched your kids having fun on the ice......

I really think that this thread has turned in a whole new direction, (but which one doesn't). Further perhaps I did not make myself clear off the start. I did not go there to break the rules, or to change the rules, or to make the world a better place, or even as a photo opportunity. I went there with the sole intention of taking my kids skating, nothing more. Also, I did not start ANY battle at all. I went to the front desk ask for permission, a point which you seem to keep disregarding. I played by the rules, I did not break them, I did what I was supposed to do, and I questioned my denial when I was not given a good reason.

The letter I am writing has nothing to do with me not being able to take pictures, rather it is about a city employee to acted inappropriately.

I'm saddened that you think this whole post is about pictures, it is not. It is about a person who acted badly in a position of athourity.

 

[snowleopard]

Oh well ... so much for my career as a mediator

Reminds me of a comic strip I once read ... Two Guys sitting at a bar, and one says to the other: "Actually, admitting you have a problem is the second step. The first step is finding a problem you really enjoy."

Happy debating guys!