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basketcase

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How quickly we seem to forget the immigration meeting. There too, he was all sympathy and bipartisanship. And the result was??? Same here, there will be cosmetic changes, but that will be it. And it's not the NRA conspiracy, the second amendment is the top three issue for the Republicans and quite a few independents.
Except in this meeting he actually voiced a consistent, coherent opinion and didn't just sit back blowing in the wind.
 

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Hey Shack, I have to assume you don't live downtown or are in touch with any of the more left wing Jewish community here in T.O. Or that you've ever heard of or checked out IJV, or Beit Zatoun.
Posting against apartheid and arguing for equal rights is not at all anti-semitic, its just posting against the policies of the government of Israel.
I know what is right and what is wrong. I also know what you are regardless of your pathetic attempts to suggest otherwise. You should be man enough to admit what you are. That would be the most honourable post you have ever made here.
 

K Douglas

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Extremely flawed reasons. Race for centuries has been defined based solely on physical characteristics. It is the stupidity that led to the Belgian creation of the Tutsi and Hutu groups even though their racial definitions often separated family members.

The definition of Caucasians is not even based on genetics and there are many Caucasians who have genetic markers common in other non-white 'races'. An easy example to look at would be South Italians who over the centuries have had genetic mixture with North African and Arab groups as different migrations and immigrations happened.

If you want to talk about the scientific validity of genetic testing for certain markers then you are on solid ground but to pretend outdated definitions of race have any modern scientific basis is laughable.
What's laughable is that you are denying real proven science. Then again you think man is causing global warming so I can't say I'm surprised. Countless genome studies haven proven beyond doubt biological evolution is the basis for race. Race is biological. Racial identity is a social construct.
 

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I know what is right and what is wrong. I also know what you are regardless of your pathetic attempts to suggest otherwise. You should be man enough to admit what you are. That would be the most honourable post you have ever made here.
I argue the same anti-racism, anti-Trump and against the large income divide in all threads.
If you don't think apartheid is as wrong as white supremacists, then you aren't holding the same views on all situations.
 

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What's laughable is that you are denying real proven science. Then again you think man is causing global warming so I can't say I'm surprised. Countless genome studies haven proven beyond doubt biological evolution is the basis for race. Race is biological. Racial identity is a social construct.
Wow, you're a fan of eugenics and a climate change denier.
That really sums up your understanding of science and genetics pretty well.
 

K Douglas

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Wow, you're a fan of eugenics and a climate change denier.
That really sums up your understanding of science and genetics pretty well.
I wouldn't expect anything less than a moronic statement from you. But sometimes you even astound me and go uber moronic. Congratulations. :)
 

Frankfooter

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I wouldn't expect anything less than a moronic statement from you. But sometimes you even astound me and go uber moronic. Congratulations. :)
The prime 'scientist' that most racists back is Philippe Rushton.
He used shoddy studies on penis size, head size and vagina size to argue that there are different races and they are not all as smart.
He was one of the Eugenics founders.

Chances are that if you were able to research and look for backing for your claims they would come from Rushton.
 

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What's laughable is that you are denying real proven science. ...
Sorry but the definition of race based solely on physical characteristics is discredited science.

Unless you can tell me which genetic markers define race you are just living in the past.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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The laughable part is you've repeatedly accused me of racism when I've criticized Hamas. Amazing that you say their aren't races but you pretend Hamas is a race
He doesnt even know what he's saying half the time anymore
 

Frankfooter

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Amazing that you say their aren't races but you pretend Hamas is a race.
Sorry but the definition of race based solely on physical characteristics is discredited science.
You need to put those two thoughts together.

Race isn't based on genetics or physical characteristics, instead its based cultural identifiers like geographic location, religion, physical appearance or some other single population characteristic.
Hamas isn't a race, but Palestinians who live under Israeli occupation in Gaza are subject to racist, apartheid rule.
You use criticism of Hamas like zailbetter/galsegin uses demonization of Muslims by posting every crime he finds by a Muslim.
Your criticism of Hamas is meant to dehumanize Palestinians to justify apartheid and colonization, which makes it just as racist as zailbetter.

As for Cruz, apparently he carved swastikas into the magazines in his gun.
Should that make his attack an attack of terrorism?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/nikolas-cruz-was-a-racist-does-that-make-his-attack-terrorism
 

JohnLarue

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Can you provide us with science's accepted definition, along with a source of that definition?
As previously pointed out
Race is used widely in human biological research and clinical practice to elucidate the relationship between our ancestry and our genes.
In the laboratory, race can be used to investigate disease-causing genes within and between populations.

These facts should make it clear


That is a fact? It sounds like your opinion. Again, a source of this claim of how the "average" racist behaves would go a long way.
Just listen to a KKK member talk
He would qualify as the average racist and he does not bother to investigate black or Jewish culture, religion or geographical origin
(The KKK dude is too stupid to do that )
He just hates what he sees
Sad but true


That is a fact? It is verifiable or just your opinion?

I hate frank's anti-Semitic/Jewish/Israeli posts (regardless of how he wants to spin them to justify that he is not racist) as much as anyone and love every time he is proved wrong and exposed for what he is (which is pretty much every time he posts shit), but your attempt at proving your POV and using your personal opinion and claiming they are facts is not just weak, but feeble.
It appears you agree the Franken fool contradicts himself and is wrong more often than he is right.
pretty much every time he posts shit, (as you put it) he destroys his credibility and cements his reputation as a laughing stock, it is pretty much a FACT that he is his own worst enemy
Do the rest of us decent people a favour, try a little better. Otherwise you are actually strengthening his case.
That is an odd statement as my contempt for Frank has absolutely nothing to do with race.
I am just not a huge fan of anyone who makes a claim on others wealth (commie) or anyone who promotes his causes via falsehoods and propaganda.
 

Frankfooter

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Just listen to a KKK member talk
He would qualify as the average racist and he does not bother to investigate black or Jewish culture, religion or geographical origin
(The KKK dude is too stupid to do that )
He just hates what he sees
Sad but true
Your use of language and reasoning in the previous sentence are both very weak, but this reads as if you understand that KKK members use race the same way that you use race.
Whereas a non racist would investigate the idea of race and genetics and recent research on the matter.
Here it sounds as if you have not investigated recent science and instead are basing your claims of high school learning from half a century ago.

As previously pointed out
Race is used widely in human biological research and clinical practice to elucidate the relationship between our ancestry and our genes.
In the laboratory, race can be used to investigate disease-causing genes within and between populations.

These facts should make it clear
You confuse hereditary traits with race.
They are not the same.
Try reading some more modern takes on the issue.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/351/6273/564.full
 

basketcase

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You need to put those two thoughts together....
They are. Hamas isn't a race like you claim but simply a bunch of people who think terrorism is an appropriate action.

My criticism of Hamas is because they are terrorists as defined by the Canadian government.
 

basketcase

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As previously pointed out
Race is used widely in human biological research and clinical practice to elucidate the relationship between our ancestry and our genes.
In the laboratory, race can be used to investigate disease-causing genes within and between populations.

These facts should make it clear

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Except defining race is not scientific in any modern context. The definitions about race are generalizations made 200 years ago based mainly on skin colour, not genetics. Yes, genetic material is passed down through families and certain markers are more common within certain population groups but they do not define those population groups. For example, you can find white people with the sickle cell mutation and the majority of black people do not have it.

As another example, some 2/3 of pre-colombian American men had the Q-M3 mutation. You could try to use that as a genetic definition of native American but if you did, 1/3 of the men and all of the women would no longer be included but it would mean that some North-East Asian groups would suddenly be defined as native.

Race is a social construct, not a scientific one (at least to any modern standard). As I said before, I'd happily eat my words if you could tell me which genetic markers are used to define race.
 

Frankfooter

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They are. Hamas isn't a race like you claim but simply a bunch of people who think terrorism is an appropriate action.

My criticism of Hamas is because they are terrorists as defined by the Canadian government.
At this point, Hamas is the government in Gaza and holding back the extremists.
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...could-lose-control-of-Gaza-to-radicals-543435

Your criticism of Hamas is based on your need to demonize the entire population of Gaza, without Hamas you'd be left just supporting turning Gaza into an open air prison based on race alone.
 

JohnLarue

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Your use of language and reasoning in the previous sentence are both very weak, but this reads as if you understand that KKK members use race the same way that you use race.
you are too stupid to believe!
"Just listen to a KKK member talk"
There have been KKK speakers in the media for decades, it has been pretty much impossible not to have heard their message
the message is evil and hated based. That does not mean you suppress curiosity and do not wonder where such hatred comes from.
It comes from a need to blame others & ignorance.
Ignorant people do not bother to investigate black or Jewish culture, religion or geographical origin
He just hates what he sees
Sad but true

The other reason the average racist does not bother to investigate black or Jewish culture, religion or geographical origin is the back of the mind fear is that such an investigation will prove them wrong

So what you wrote here
but this reads as if you understand that KKK members use race the same way that you use race.
Is a really stupid and ignorant thing to say as you incorrectly imply my thinking is aligned with that of the KKK. DO NOT DO THAT AGAIN
Perhaps you should think before posting
 

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Here it sounds as if you have not investigated recent science and instead are basing your claims of high school learning from half a century ago.
In another thread discussing intelligence differences among various ethnic groups, it was apparent you know little about science and could only provide links to pseudo-science and popular science articles to back your claims. Smallcock was correct when he called you a massive intellectual fraud.

In that thread, I pointed out that Jews were the recipients of a disproportionate number of Nobel prizes. You conveniently ignored that.
Try reading some more modern takes on the issue.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/351/6273/564.full
Typical that you have to be a paying member to read that article. You sprinkle your posts with these bullshit links to give yourself credibility. I doubt that you are even a member or have read that article.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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In that thread, I pointed out that Jews were the recipients of a disproportionate number of Nobel prizes. You conveniently ignored that
And I think thats why he hates Jews. Most Jewish people I've met have been highly successfull, rich and prominent.
Maybe those are things that have eluded Frank all his life, and therefore gives rise to a certain amount of resentment.

Same thing with Trump, most Libs hate him.
Why because he's a billionaire with a hot wife, and thats just too much success for a lot of them
 
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