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JohnLarue

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There are no separate human races, we are all the same race.
Really?
if so there can be no inequality & that eliminates most of the crap you whine about.

No separate races, then how can apartheid in Israel exist?
You are quite outspoken on this issue
 

Frankfooter

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I think you guys are only half right. There are certain races that are starting points.
IMO they are:

1. Africans
2. Asians (Chinese, Koreans...etc)
3. Caucasians
4. East-Indians
5. Native-Indians
6. Middle-easterners

And of course form there you'll get many different mixed races and sub-races
The problem is you can't define them exactly, they are rough population groups with lots of cross over of genetic tendencies.
Just because red hair trends higher in Ireland doesn't mean that they are a distinct race, for instance, just that there has been lots of kids from people with red hair.
Same way nearsightedness can be genetic, but not indication of race.

Some day you'll get it.
 

Frankfooter

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Really?
if so there can be no inequality & that eliminates most of the crap you whine about.

No separate races, then how can apartheid in Israel exist?
You are quite outspoken on this issue
I'll try to explain this in simple terms, hopefully you can understand it.

1) there are no 'genetic' or biological races
2) what we describe as racism therefore are cultural divisions between people

A prime example would be tutsis and hutu in Rwanda.
Europeans came in and created the division between tutsi and hutu based on skin darkness, but they were really the same people.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rence-between-a-hutu-and-a-tutsi-1352558.html

Its an example of racism based on semi-arbitrary groups set up by Germans/Belgians.
The Rwandan genocide was based on cultural division arbitrarily set up by Europeans.

So when someone like CM says he doesn't like, say, Italians, then you have to remember that Italians aren't a race, they are a group defined by a border.
When someone like zailbetter says he doesn't like Muslims, as he pretty much does daily, then you have to remember that this is a group defined by religion.

In all cases we call it racism, though its really cultural racism, not genetic.

Get it?
 

JohnLarue

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I'll try to explain this in simple terms, hopefully you can understand it.
No instead I will correct you as you are wrong (once again)


Race is used widely in human biological research and clinical practice to elucidate the relationship between our ancestry and our genes. In the laboratory, race can be used to investigate disease-causing genes within and between populations, and, more generally to classify groups in studies of human populations

1) there are no 'genetic' or biological races
Bullshit. that is your self serving and incorrect opinion
2) what we describe as racism therefore are cultural divisions between people
Its called racism not culturalism
You are far too stupid to be imposing your self serving and incorrect opinion as fact

A prime example would be tutsis and hutu in Rwanda.
Europeans came in and created the division between tutsi and hutu based on skin darkness, but they were really the same people.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rence-between-a-hutu-and-a-tutsi-1352558.html
What a fool you are
# 1 you reference a race of people (Europeans) and lump them into a common group despite the fact that Europe has a huge number of different cultures
#2. You make a distinct separation of people by race when incorrectly describing white Europeans getting it wrong about black tutsis and hutus

you are your own worst enemy

There are many races in the world with differing genetics determining multiple and very distinct characteristics, skin color, eyes, facial feature ,height, susceptibility to disease, and Johnson size.

do not think for a second you can redefine a universally accepted and understood word like race, because it is convenient for you

Its an example of racism based on semi-arbitrary groups set up by Germans/Belgians.
The Rwandan genocide was based on cultural division arbitrarily set up by Europeans.
Why do you always blame the white man?
Are you racists and hate the white man?
So when someone like CM says he doesn't like, say, Italians, then you have to remember that Italians aren't a race, they are a group defined by a border.
When someone like zailbetter says he doesn't like Muslims, as he pretty much does daily, then you have to remember that this is a group defined by religion.
And when a black man says he hates all white men, a white man hates all asians or visa versa he does not distinguish the culture, religion or boarder of those he hates

In all cases we call it racism, though its really cultural racism, not genetic.
No hatred based upon someones skin color is racism
You average racist does not bother to investigate that persons culture, religion or geographical origin
He just hates what he sees
Sad but true

Do you get it?
What I do not care for is opinionated propaganda spewing fools, especially ones who like to make claims on other peoples wealth
I do not distinguish the difference between these fools whether they be white, black , brown or other races. They are just plain fools, so do not dare call me racist
 

Frankfooter

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No instead I will correct you as you are wrong (once again)


Bullshit. that is your self serving and incorrect opinion
You are far too stupid to be imposing your self serving and incorrect opinion as fact
What a fool you are
you are your own worst enemy
Why do you always blame the white man?
Are you racists and hate the white man?

No hatred based upon someones skin color is racism
You average racist does not bother to investigate that persons culture, religion or geographical origin
He just hates what he sees
Sad but true


Do you get it?
Typical larue post filled with stereotypes, old ideas and insults.
 

Frankfooter

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They actually are
So you think red haired Irish are a different race of humans then Irish with black hair?

Thats difficult to answer, but most South-Americans (except for Brazil) are Spanish/native-Indian mixed
And is each mix a different race?
Or does that make it so that every human on the planet is a different race, based on their own individual traits?

Your claims race is based on genetics is looking very weak.
 

Frankfooter

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Officials: Gunman stopped with 180 rounds left, after he fired 150 rounds.
Officials tell CNN's Kaylee Hartung that the deadly Florida high school shooting could have been much worse, and ammunition magazines had swastikas etched in them:
No doubt there is a lot more that this monster has to disclose. Apparently, he even tried to break a window in order to be a sniper. However, the windows were hurricane proof so he failed to do so:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/...chool-shooting-gunman-swastikas-latest-nr.cnn
I just watched a great Yes Men doc on an NRA prank they pulled.
They created a group dedicated to offering free weapons to groups that are targets of violence and poor, namely inner city youth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1246&v=GvnyFPKX8-A


What really stands out is the racist background of the NRA.
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/09/27/23-reasons-why-nra-racist/218065
 

basketcase

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...It's a species. For 300+ years we have regarded race as biological....
Extremely flawed reasons. Race for centuries has been defined based solely on physical characteristics. It is the stupidity that led to the Belgian creation of the Tutsi and Hutu groups even though their racial definitions often separated family members.

The definition of Caucasians is not even based on genetics and there are many Caucasians who have genetic markers common in other non-white 'races'. An easy example to look at would be South Italians who over the centuries have had genetic mixture with North African and Arab groups as different migrations and immigrations happened.

If you want to talk about the scientific validity of genetic testing for certain markers then you are on solid ground but to pretend outdated definitions of race have any modern scientific basis is laughable.
 

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basketcase

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I think you guys are only half right. There are certain races that are starting points.
IMO they are:

1. Africans
2. Asians (Chinese, Koreans...etc)
3. Caucasians
4. East-Indians
5. Native-Indians
6. Middle-easterners

And of course form there you'll get many different mixed races and sub-races
Which specific genetic markers define those 'races'?

Sorry but the old biological definitions are based on general physical characteristics, not genetic markers.
 

JohnLarue

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Typical larue post filled with stereotypes, old ideas and insults.
You left out the important detail
The post are filled with facts that you have no response to


Fact # 1
Science defines race & race can be used to investigate disease-causing genes within and between populations, and, more generally to classify groups in studies of human populations
You have no response to that

Fact # 2
Your average racist does not bother to investigate that persons culture, religion or geographical origin
He just hates what he sees
Sad but true

You have no response to that

Fact # 3
You are your own worst enemy
Being very opinionated and wrong all the time is a very bad combination.
You may consider re-evaluating your approach
 

JohnLarue

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Which specific genetic markers define those 'races'?

Sorry but the old biological definitions are based on general physical characteristics, not genetic markers.
Wrong
race is used to investigate disease-causing genes within and between populations, and, more generally to classify groups in studies of human populations

Unless you have a PhD in genetics and are familiar with new ground breaking research which disproves this widely know FACT, you should move onto another subject
 

basketcase

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Wrong
race is used to investigate disease-causing genes within and between populations, and, more generally to classify groups in studies of human populations

Unless you have a PhD in genetics and are familiar with new ground breaking research which disproves this widely know FACT, you should move onto another subject
Wow. Have you even read a book published since 1900?

But you can prove me wrong by identifying the specific genetic markers that identify a person's race.
 

bver_hunter

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I just watched a great Yes Men doc on an NRA prank they pulled.
They created a group dedicated to offering free weapons to groups that are targets of violence and poor, namely inner city youth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1246&v=GvnyFPKX8-A


What really stands out is the racist background of the NRA.
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/09/27/23-reasons-why-nra-racist/218065
Finally Trump has seen the ugly side of the NRA and really booted them in their derrières by his proposed new gun laws.
He has practically taken the same stance as the Democrats with regards to the rigorous background checks, by wanting to raise the minimum age to 21 years for the purchase of guns, and the banning of bump stocks. He is not too clear about the restriction of semi-automatic weapons, but no doubt the Democrats are going to try and push that one through if they can. The only ridiculous proposal was arming some of the teachers with guns. Anyway, it is interesting to see how this one plays out. All in all, really you have to credit the brave school students who passionately fought to get this through. There are some Trumptard Cult Followers who have come up with that conspiracy statement that these students were "mentored" by the DNC to do what they did.
 

jcpro

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I think he just wants to be popular and has seen where public opinion is moving.
How quickly we seem to forget the immigration meeting. There too, he was all sympathy and bipartisanship. And the result was??? Same here, there will be cosmetic changes, but that will be it. And it's not the NRA conspiracy, the second amendment is the top three issue for the Republicans and quite a few independents.
 

shack

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The post are filled with facts that you have no response to


Fact # 1
Science defines race
Can you provide us with science's accepted definition, along with a source of that definition?

Fact # 2
Your average racist does not bother to investigate.
That is a fact? It sounds like your opinion. Again, a source of this claim of how the "average" racist behaves would go a long way.

Fact # 3
You are your own worst enemy
That is a fact? It is verifiable or just your opinion?

I hate frank's anti-Semitic/Jewish/Israeli posts (regardless of how he wants to spin them to justify that he is not racist) as much as anyone and love every time he is proved wrong and exposed for what he is (which is pretty much every time he posts shit), but your attempt at proving your POV and using your personal opinion and claiming they are facts is not just weak, but feeble.

Do the rest of us decent people a favour, try a little better. Otherwise you are actually strengthening his case.
 

Frankfooter

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I hate frank's anti-Semitic/Jewish/Israeli posts (regardless of how he wants to spin them to justify that he is not racist) as much as anyone and love every time he is proved wrong and exposed for what he is (which is pretty much every time he posts shit), but your attempt at proving your POV and using your personal opinion and claiming they are facts is not just weak, but feeble.

Do the rest of us decent people a favour, try a little better. Otherwise you are actually strengthening his case.
Hey Shack, I have to assume you don't live downtown or are in touch with any of the more left wing Jewish community here in T.O. Or that you've ever heard of or checked out IJV, or Beit Zatoun.
Posting against apartheid and arguing for equal rights is not at all anti-semitic, its just posting against the policies of the government of Israel.

Anti-semitism is just as bad as Islamaphobia, and usually you'll find that the Islamphobes tend towards anti-semitism.
And I argue against racism because there are no genetic races and we are all the same, really.
 
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