Florida shooting - another white supremacist mass murder

[Phil C. McNasty]

They can identify what population group you are from, but that's not the same as identifying race.
The problem is that there is more genetic variation within any one group then in between people you identify as different race

Of course if a child is part Italian and part Chinese, you now have a different race. I get that. But from genetic testing you can still get an idea what part of the world your racial background is from (which is what 23andme does). Examples:

https://jameskennedymonash.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/james-kennedy-ancestry-results.png

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nqdiDcxgW9s/UTZbsbS0_YI/AAAAAAAAVBY/PNbqDyd-lvc/s1600/me-01.png

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MoKZDfo1oxA/maxresdefault.jpg

Also your assertion that being against Islam is racist is completely absurd. Islam has adherents from almost every race in the world, so does that mean I hate everyone then?? Again, Islam is NOT a race! Get this through your thick skull. Just as Scientology is not a race either. I hate scientology just as much as I hate Islam, I consider both of them to be a cult. Since most scientologists I've seen on the internet are white, do I then hate white people as well??

Dont be silly

 

[Bud Plug]

55 posts on the shooting. 31 posts on the definition of "race". The Frankfooter effect on full display.

 

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55 posts on the shooting. 31 posts on the definition of "race". The Frankfooter effect on full display.

Racists do tend to dwell on the subject, so understandable.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

55 posts on the shooting. 31 posts on the definition of "race". The Frankfooter effect on full display

Racists do tend to dwell on the subject, so understandable

I'm starting to think you guys are right. Why else would he refer to dots and feathers??
Its highly racist to assume all East-Indians have dots on their forehead, or that all native-Indians still wear war bonnets

are you meaning dot or feather?

 

[K Douglas]

Gotta love people who argue that science should turn back and stick with 50 year old theories.
You might be an argument against evolution, kirk.

What is it with liberal 'progressives' and their desire to always change the past. They want to deny historical and biological facts, proven economic theory etc. Which is why we have bogus sociological constructs about gender and race and anthropogenic climate change theory. They truly want to create a 'global' citizen under one global governing body that dictates how they live. Scary shit.

 

[oldjones]

What is it with liberal 'progressives' and their desire to always change the past. They want to deny historical and biological facts, proven economic theory etc. Which is why we have bogus sociological constructs about gender and race and anthropogenic climate change theory. They truly want to create a 'global' citizen under one global governing body that dictates how they live. Scary shit.

You wouldn't sound so delusional or bigotted if you'd found someone to quote instead of making up all that nonsense out of your own mind. Makes you come off sounding quite loony

 

[basketcase]

Despite his Victorian era views on non-whites, I have to agree with franky on this one.

Scientifically there is no such thing as different races of humans; we are all homo sapien sapien. There are genetic markers that get passed down through familial groups but those markers do not make the social description of race equate with the scientific one. Biological descriptions of race rely on physical characteristics that differentiate population groups and are hereditary. Since genetic markers used in testing like ancestry and 23andme most often have nothing to do with any physical trait then they are not useful in specifically determining 'race', just a probability that an ancestor belonged to a particular population group.

Of course the other issue is that except population groups that have been isolated for many generations, people (and their genetic material) travel making 'race' a spectrum, not a defined characteristic.

But since society already uses the term race to describe particular cultural groups, the whole argument taking place here is silly.



Of course if genetic markers defined race, we would also need a definition of exactly how many genetic markers one would need to be considered part of that race. As an example a person with one male ancestor passing along the Q-M242 mutation but all their other ancestors were European, would you consider that person part of the Native American race?

 

[Frankfooter]

Of course if a child is part Italian and part Chinese, you now have a different race.

Not at all. You'd just have another Canadian.
(joke)

But it misses the point, there are no hard and cut genetic identifiers that tell you exactly which population group or 'race' you are part of. You can't say all of 'x' race all have the same hair colour or eye colour, because its not true. There is too much variation within any one group.

There are no separate human races, we are all the same race.

 

[Frankfooter]

What is it with liberal 'progressives' and their desire to always change the past.

I'm more curious about why the right wingers are stuck with 50 year old theories that they don't want to accept have changed.
You still think tobacco is good for you as well?

 

[K Douglas]

I'm more curious about why the right wingers are stuck with 50 year old theories that they don't want to accept have changed.
You still think tobacco is good for you as well?

Theories can change but facts can't. No matter how much Liberals want to not believe that.

 

[K Douglas]

You wouldn't sound so delusional or bigotted if you'd found someone to quote instead of making up all that nonsense out of your own mind. Makes you come off sounding quite loony

I wish it were made up. I'd feel a hell of a lot better about humanity's prospects in the 21st century.

 

[K Douglas]

Despite his Victorian era views on non-whites, I have to agree with franky on this one.

Scientifically there is no such thing as different races of humans; we are all homo sapien sapien. There are genetic markers that get passed down through familial groups but those markers do not make the social description of race equate with the scientific one. Biological descriptions of race rely on physical characteristics that differentiate population groups and are hereditary. Since genetic markers used in testing like ancestry and 23andme most often have nothing to do with any physical trait then they are not useful in specifically determining 'race', just a probability that an ancestor belonged to a particular population group.

Of course the other issue is that except population groups that have been isolated for many generations, people (and their genetic material) travel making 'race' a spectrum, not a defined characteristic.

But since society already uses the term race to describe particular cultural groups, the whole argument taking place here is silly.



Of course if genetic markers defined race, we would also need a definition of exactly how many genetic markers one would need to be considered part of that race. As an example a person with one male ancestor passing along the Q-M242 mutation but all their other ancestors were European, would you consider that person part of the Native American race?

Homo sapien sapien isn't a race my friend. It's a species. For 300+ years we have regarded race as biological. And for good reason. As a Caucasian I have a far greater chance of finding a bone marrow match with another Caucasian than I would with someone who is African American, Asian or East Indian, no?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

There are no separate human races, we are all the same race

So the argument you're going with is there are no separate races, but people can be racist however. And if you're against Islam, then you're a racist, even though there are no different races, we are all the same. Thats the argument you're going with??

Ahahahahhahaha.......you are either a terribly confused person, or you're just making stuff up as you see fit

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Homo sapien sapien isn't a race my friend. It's a species. For 300+ years we have regarded race as biological. And for good reason. As a Caucasian I have a far greater chance of finding a bone marrow match with another Caucasian than I would with someone who is African American, Asian or East Indian, no?

Sickle cell anemia affects more people from........wait for it..... a certain race called Africans:

http://www.hematology.org/Patients/Anemia/Sickle-Cell.aspx

 

[jcpro]

Typical TERB thread. Blame everything except the real culprits- the shooter, the FBI that ignored warnings and the Sheriff's office that is getting more and more incompetent the more light is shined upon it. The truth of the matter is that this was an entirely preventable tragedy.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Despite his Victorian era views on non-whites, I have to agree with franky on this one.

Scientifically there is no such thing as different races of humans; we are all homo sapien sapien

I think you guys are only half right. There are certain races that are starting points.
IMO they are:

1. Africans
2. Asians (Chinese, Koreans...etc)
3. Caucasians
4. East-Indians
5. Native-Indians
6. Middle-easterners

And of course form there you'll get many different mixed races and sub-races

 

[bver_hunter]

I think you guys are only half right. There are certain races that are starting points.
IMO they are:

1. Africans
2. Asians (Chinese, Koreans...etc)
3. Caucasians
4. East-Indians
5. Native-Indians
6. Middle-easterners

And of course form there you'll get many different mixed races and sub-races

So the South Americans are "mixed races or sub-races"? How about the North Africans i.e. Libyans, Moroccans, Algerians, Egyptians? Mixed races / sub-races??

 

[Bud Plug]

Just curious, once you guys get finished deciding there's no such thing as race, will you then also be deciding there is also no such thing as racism as a result?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So the South Americans are "mixed races or sub-races"? How about the North Africans i.e. Libyans, Moroccans, Algerians, Egyptians? Mixed races / sub-races??

Thats difficult to answer, but most South-Americans (except for Brazil) are Spanish/native-Indian mixed

 

[bver_hunter]

Officials: Gunman stopped with 180 rounds left, after he fired 150 rounds.
Officials tell CNN's Kaylee Hartung that the deadly Florida high school shooting could have been much worse, and ammunition magazines had swastikas etched in them:
No doubt there is a lot more that this monster has to disclose. Apparently, he even tried to break a window in order to be a sniper. However, the windows were hurricane proof so he failed to do so:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/...chool-shooting-gunman-swastikas-latest-nr.cnn