Euro 2008 Draw

[luckyjackson]

Did you know Portugal is one of the few countries that has a winning record vs. Brazil???

That's because Portugal is up for those games like no other. Sure it's special for any team that faces Brazil, but with Portugal there's a bit of that family rivalry thing going on. The last friendly they played a couple of years back was a FANTASTIC game, which Portugal won on a goal by Deco of all people.

I'm old fashioned when it comes to NTs. I think a national team should always be coached by one of their own. England's in a pickle. They've got one of their best teams in years, but the situation is awkward with the current coach, and there aren't many English coaches out there who look up to the job. They'd take Mourihno in a second, (who wouldn't), but he says he's only interested in coaching the Portuguese NT.

 

[David Beckham 23]

They'd take Mourihno in a second, (who wouldn't), but he says he's only interested in coaching the Portuguese NT.

Hey LJ!!

He says he wants to take the Portuguese job in 2008. However, it will be strange to see what happens after the World Cup for England. Sorry guys but I would love to see Mourihno get the job!

 

[luckyjackson]

He says he wants to take the Portuguese job in 2008.

Actually he said he'd like to coach Portugal in 12 years. That's a long wait. But the thing is, you can't trust anything Mourinho says to the press. He will go wherever he has the best chance of winning more personal glory. For obvious reasons, money isn't so much of a lure to him these days. If circumstances were right, I think he could be convinced to coach any NT.

The Portuguese would love to have him immediately, but what everyone in Portugal forgets is that Mourinho's system works best in league situations. In sudden death (tournament) situations, his record is not as strong. Still, he's the best coach on the planet by a ridiculous margin, so I'd take him on any terms.

 

[molby]

Actually he said he'd like to coach Portugal in 12 years. That's a long wait. But the thing is, you can't trust anything Mourinho says to the press. He will go wherever he has the best chance of winning more personal glory. For obvious reasons, money isn't so much of a lure to him these days. If circumstances were right, I think he could be convinced to coach any NT.

The Portuguese would love to have him immediately, but what everyone in Portugal forgets is that Mourinho's system works best in league situations. In sudden death (tournament) situations, his record is not as strong. Still, he's the best coach on the planet by a ridiculous margin, so I'd take him on any terms.

well he won the uefa cup ,albeit robbed celtic and the european cup with porto and got chelsea to the semis last year , even though a trained chimp could do his job at chelsea ,i think he has a pretty good record in knock outs!

 

[luckyjackson]

even though a trained chimp could do his job at chelsea

Mourinho's greatest advantage at Chelsea is opinions like these. The longer his competitors remain convinced it's Abramovich's billions that are behind Chelsea's success, the longer Mourinho can go on taking the EPL championship like the proverbial candy from a baby. When will people clue into the calibre of management this guy represents?

albeit robbed celtic

bwahahaha! Celtic could have played that game 10 times, and they'd have lost each time.

 

[molby]

Mourinho's greatest advantage at Chelsea is opinions like these. The longer his competitors remain convinced it's Abramovich's billions that are behind Chelsea's success, the longer Mourinho can go on taking the EPL championship like the proverbial candy from a baby. When will people clue into the calibre of management this guy represents?



bwahahaha! Celtic could have played that game 10 times, and they'd have lost each time.

well with a stronger ref who would not have allowed the porto players to dive all the time and get players booked would have put the better team ahead , and that would have been celtic.
joses biggest advantage over the rest of the premership teams IS the money.
when he can pay 25 million for wright-phillips just to stop other teams from having him thats his advantage.
when he can out bid liverpool on players like simao so he can stop the deal thats his advantage
when he can tap players up like ashley cole and get away with it thats ana advantage
when he can bid for 99% of players in the world and get him, if he really wants them, and can bid what he want then thats an advantage
lets not forget that chelski will have only won 2 titles by the summer which means he does not deserve to be talked about in the same breath as other managers yet like shanks busby stein paisley clough ferguson wenger.mainly because he has been lucky,lucky in that the other big teams like united or arsenal have been on a downward spiral while the likes of liverpool and possibly spursare coming on to challage they are not the finished article yet
plus lets not forget that jose has been fortunite with injurys to top players at chelski,with the exception of duff and robben maybe, it that he has not lost the likes of very key players like terry lampard and the very importent job of claude makelele

 

[David Beckham 23]

molby makes some very good points.

LJ??

 

[luckyjackson]

Hah..funny to be answering this today, after Boro made Mourinho look only human.

well with a stronger ref who would not have allowed the porto players to dive all the time and get players booked

Maybe you're thinking of a different game? As I recall, the ref in question sent two players off. He didn't seem shy about pulling for the cards at all.

Porto players milked it at times, (Baia most notably), and Celtic pushed the boundarys of what's acceptable in the game. They fouled Deco shamefully, because they went in knowing they could not hope to match Porto if they actually tried to play.

With the exception of Larsson, (and perhaps Agathe), Celtic had no one out there of any quality comparable to what Porto fielded. Celtic ran on pure guts and a never say die attitude. But they had nothing like Porto's class. The silky smooth Deco had to be fouled, or it would have been a blow out. Celtic was lucky not to be booked far more, and incredibly fortunate to have Larsson, who is a great striker.

Mourinho has already demontrated he does not need the money in order to succeed. That's how Porto won back to back domestic and international titles. Ranieri, who most would concede is a little more than a trained monkey, also had access to the cash, it made no difference. Look at Real Madrid, they dug their grave with money, spending it stupidly on the likes of Beckham, when they could have had Carvalho for half the money.

lets not forget that chelski will have only won 2 titles by the summer

Not bad for a minimum, given he's only been on the job two years. It's foolish to argue against his quality by citing his record. He not only won the EPL comfortably in his first year there, his record thus far is astounding. Of 64 games played in the EPL Mourinho has won 50, drawn 11 and lost 3. Never lost at home. He's taken 161 points out of a possible 192. And all this at the age of 43. He will only get better. The only hope his opponents have is that he will get bored with winning.

lucky,lucky in that the other big teams like united or arsenal have been on a downward spiral

also wrong. As Ferguson recently observed, Man U has never had more points than it presently does at this point in any season. It's just that Chelsea is that much better.

Mourinho's genius doesn't lie simply in the fact that he has an uncanny knack for identifying and developing great talent, or his tactical skills, or his ability to forge a true team ethic, but that he's able to do all that stuff while distracting his opponents with his haughty "special one" persona. Look for him to dominate this game for a long time to come.

 

[molby]

mmmmmmmm strange can not think of to many players that he has developed, can you name them? there is none at chelsea and what was at porto was not brought in by him,
your comments in general are off the map!

 

[molby]

Hah..funny to be answering this today, after Boro made Mourinho look only human.



Maybe you're thinking of a different game? As I recall, the ref in question sent two players off. He didn't seem shy about pulling for the cards at all.

Porto players milked it at times, (Baia most notably), and Celtic pushed the boundarys of what's acceptable in the game. They fouled Deco shamefully, because they went in knowing they could not hope to match Porto if they actually tried to play.

With the exception of Larsson, (and perhaps Agathe), Celtic had no one out there of any quality comparable to what Porto fielded. Celtic ran on pure guts and a never say die attitude. But they had nothing like Porto's class. The silky smooth Deco had to be fouled, or it would have been a blow out. Celtic was lucky not to be booked far more, and incredibly fortunate to have Larsson, who is a great striker.

i can assure you i am thinking of no other match. maybe you are! you even answer my original post when i was talking of a stronger ref
a ref that would have stood up to the porto playersand stop them from milking it as you put it instead of giving in and letting them away with getting players booked.sure his players are still doing it look at what robben done to get reina sent off last week
deco was not nfouled shamefully and you need to get a copy of the game,or the rule book, to learn that cause that claim is unreal!
if you think that agathe was the top player of 03 with celtic then you must never have heard of players like sutton lennon lambert? ring a bell?
as regards pushing the rules to the limit that is a joke deco was not singled out any more than larsson, larrson got more abuse,yet you dont metion that why?
btw if a team is pure class and hhave players who are silky smooth they dont resort to winning the way porto did. fact.

 

[molby]

Hah..funny to be answering this today, after Boro made Mourinho look only human.



Mourinho has already demontrated he does not need the money in order to succeed. That's how Porto won back to back domestic and international titles. Ranieri, who most would concede is a little more than a trained monkey, also had access to the cash, it made no difference. Look at Real Madrid, they dug their grave with money, spending it stupidly on the likes of Beckham, when they could have had Carvalho for half the money.



Not bad for a minimum, given he's only been on the job two years. It's foolish to argue against his quality by citing his record. He not only won the EPL comfortably in his first year there, his record thus far is astounding. Of 64 games played in the EPL Mourinho has won 50, drawn 11 and lost 3. Never lost at home. He's taken 161 points out of a possible 192. And all this at the age of 43. He will only get better. The only hope his opponents have is that he will get bored with winning.

lucky,lucky in that the other big teams like united or arsenal have been on a downward spiral

also wrong. As Ferguson recently observed, Man U has never had more points than it presently does at this point in any season. It's just that Chelsea is that much better.

Mourinho's genius doesn't lie simply in the fact that he has an uncanny knack for identifying and developing great talent, or his tactical skills, or his ability to forge a true team ethic, but that he's able to do all that stuff while distracting his opponents with his haughty "special one" persona. Look for him to dominate this game for a long time to come.

so man u are the foce they were 4 years ago?
arsenal are on top form this and last season?
liverpool are back to the days of dominating?
spurs are winning doubles like 61?
its like the 80s for everton?
answer for the above NO
have chelsea ever had it as good?
answer NO
have arsenal missed viera ?
answer YES
have united replaced keane?
answer no
has building the new stadium crippled wengers transfer kitty just as jose came to town?
answer YES
has the glasiers takeover affected united transfer funds just as jose came to town?
answer YES
is liverpool able to compete with chelsea in the transfer market?
answer NO
are spurs?
answer NO
are everton?
answer NO
would jose have been able to do the same job with ken bates still there?
answer NO
would jose have survived with the same restraints that were put on ranieri?
answer NO
has jose had much luck go againest him whilest at stamford bridge?
answer NO
also............how can you compare madrid spending money on beckhamto what carvalho cost? how much in shirt sales have they got back...... plus more importantly.... one is a right sided midfielder and the other a cente half!
......... lets not forget that chelsea finished 2 and were beaten in the semis of the european cup the season before jose came and that ranieri bought most of the main players that are at chelsea now

 

[luckyjackson]

Sorry to interrupt the conversation you seem to be having with yourself, but you seem to be on the verge of hurting yourself...consider this a kindness. It would take a long time to go through every dumb thing you've said here, so I'll just pick the dumbest,

mmmmmmmm strange can not think of to many players that he has developed, can you name them? there is none at chelsea and what was at porto was not brought in by him,
your comments in general are off the map!

Joe Cole (actually thanked Mourinho for helping him improve his game, as was acknowledged by Eriksson.)
Deco (became the great player he is under Mourinho)
Maniche (brought from Benfica)
Ferreira (brought from Victoria Setubal)
Carvalho (a nobody until Mourinho took him under his wing)

and if you knew anything about Portuguese football you'd know how many others there have been and how silly this comment was.

 

[molby]

Sorry to interrupt the conversation you seem to be having with yourself, but you seem to be on the verge of hurting yourself...consider this a kindness. It would take a long time to go through every dumb thing you've said here, so I'll just pick the dumbest,



Joe Cole (actually thanked Mourinho for helping him improve his game, as was acknowledged by Eriksson.)
Deco (became the great player he is under Mourinho)
Maniche (brought from Benfica)
Ferreira (brought from Victoria Setubal)
Carvalho (a nobody until Mourinho took him under his wing)

and if you knew anything about Portuguese football you'd know how many others there have been and how silly this comment was.

joe cole- bought from west ham as an england international
deco- was poached from brazil
maniche as you sayfrom benfica
ferreira see above
carvalho a nobody till jose?there was trouble with him and machado
cause you really like him
my and other peoples idea of developing talent is see a young prospect of about 14-15,thiugh its getting younger now and bringing him through the youth system and then in to the first team
any more perils of wisdom there jack?
will gladly look back on jose as a great manager in 10 years time if he does it over a long period and would be a good to see if he can do it,in england with out the russian mob boss backing.
but please jack whick one of my statements are dumb? i have backed my self up why dont you do the same?
oooooo and sorry if i aint that good on the old keyboard as others hope i did not upset annoy you to much

 

[Von Wigglestaff]

I think Fabio Capello is a far better coach than Jose Morinho.

Paolo Maldini (becomes a superstar under is guidance)
Roberto Carlos ( he steals him from Inter Milan and has a breakout year with Real in 1997)

Finds a way to get Boban (A Croat) and Savicevic (A Serb) to play together during the height of the war in former Yugoslavia. Milan crushes Barcelona 4-0 in the Champions Cup Final of 1994.

Gives the captiancy to Fernando Hierro in 1997. Real Madrid win La Liga and set the stage for 3 Champions Cups.

Emerson becomes the best defensive midfielder under his guidance at Roma.

Pushes David Trezuguet to improve his fitness, he is presently Serie A's capocannonieri.

Gives prodigy Giorgio Chiellini a starting role with Juventus. He could be the dark horse of the upcoming World Cup.

He brings the best out of Francesco Totti and Roma wins the scudetto.

Is the only coach that Antonio Cassano has been able to play for.

Has won league titles with 4 different teams: Ac Milan (1992-94,96),Real Madrid (1997),Roma (2001), Juventus (2005)

Need I say more?

 

[molby]

I think Fabio Capello is a far better coach than Jose Morinho.

Paolo Maldini (becomes a superstar under is guidance)
Roberto Carlos ( he steals him from Inter Milan and has a breakout year with Real in 1997)

Finds a way to get Boban (A Croat) and Savicevic (A Serb) to play together during the height of the war in former Yugoslavia. Milan crushes Barcelona 4-0 in the Champions Cup Final of 1994.

Gives the captiancy to Fernando Hierro in 1997. Real Madrid win La Liga and set the stage for 3 Champions Cups.

Emerson becomes the best defensive midfielder under his guidance at Roma.

Pushes David Trezuguet to improve his fitness, he is presently Serie A's capocannonieri.

Gives prodigy Giorgio Chiellini a starting role with Juventus. He could be the dark horse of the upcoming World Cup.

He brings the best out of Francesco Totti and Roma wins the scudetto.

Is the only coach that Antonio Cassano has been able to play for.

Has won league titles with 4 different teams: Ac Milan (1992-94,96),Real Madrid (1997),Roma (2001), Juventus (2005)

Need I say more?

good point ,

 

[the_big_E]

I agree with everything above except Trezeguet...if that guy aint hurt, he scores goals...he already missed some time this year, injuries are beyond his control...

good comparison though, Capello is the better coach. Juventus has a good chance to win the CL as well as the scudetto (virtually locked up, like Chelsea). Juventus has the better strike force, and Vieira/Emerson has to be the best central midfield in the world today.

 

[luckyjackson]

Capello is a great coach, but he's not as good as Mourinho.

Once Mourinho is done with Chelsea, he will turn his attention to Series A. Capello, Lippi, Mancini and the rest of them will then all have a turn at knowing what it feels like to trail him by a minimum of 10 points throughout the season.

 

[the_big_E]

Juventus is 12 pts up on AC Milan and Inter right now...

You cant say Mourinho is a better coach when Capello has accomplished far more. Although with that being said, it would probably be more apt to compare them when their careers are done.

 

[molby]

Capello is a great coach, but he's not as good as Mourinho.

Once Mourinho is done with Chelsea, he will turn his attention to Series A. Capello, Lippi, Mancini and the rest of them will then all have a turn at knowing what it feels like to trail him by a minimum of 10 points throughout the season.

o my god, the mind boggles

 

[Von Wigglestaff]

Capello has won the scudetto by over 10 points on three separate occasions.

Capello recognized Patrick Viera's talent back in 1996, when he brought him to Milan. Vieira only reason for leaving Arsenal is that he wanted to play for Capello again.

The way he has handled Chiellini is masterful. He didn't have room for him in midfield, but he needed the Italian's extraordinary tackling ability, so he started him at left back. The games between Juventus and Bayern Munich produced some of the best football I've seen this year, highlighted by the duel between two great prodigies (Chiellini vs Schweinsteiger).

...although his tackle on Nesta has proven costly in the long run and could adversely affect the Azzurri.

A classic Capello moment:

In his last year at Roma, Cassano had a temper tantrum and started to storm off the pitch, Capello calmly said to him: "where are you going, only rabbits run away".