Erdogan slams Israel as ‘terrorist state’ that ‘kills children’

[Frankfooter]

I wonder why it is you like stats and avoid details?

Details?
Your 'details' are Galsegin like racist comments about Palestinians being filled with hate or deserving to be killed because you claim they were 'violent' without acknowledging that they are living under a brutal apartheid military occupation that regularly shoots peaceful protesters.

Israeli army accused of West Bank 'shoot to cripple' campaign

Number of young Palestinians suffering disabling leg wounds increases, with many victims blaming Israeli officer known as 'Captain Nidal'

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/c...i-forces-are-targeting-their-knees-1844468281

How Israel is disabling Palestinian teenagers

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...ng-palestinian-teenagers-170911085127509.html

‘I will make half of you disabled and let the other half push wheelchairs’ — Israeli commander to Palestinians

http://mondoweiss.net/2017/09/wheelchairs-commander-palestinians/

And you call Hamas the violent side?

Bring in the ICC!
End apartheid.
Make both sides live by the law.

 

[basketcase]

Details?..

Yes, details like the Hamas terrorists who you keep praising gunning down a rabbi in his car, celebrating the attack, and promising more.

Damn right I call Hamas the terrorist side.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes, details like the Hamas terrorists who you keep praising gunning down a rabbi in his car, celebrating the attack, and promising more.

Damn right I call Hamas the terrorist side.

Again, you bring up one death but ignore the killing of way, way more civilians.
You refuse to comment on or condemn the intentional crippling of children by Israel.

Israeli army accused of West Bank 'shoot to cripple' campaign

Number of young Palestinians suffering disabling leg wounds increases, with many victims blaming Israeli officer known as 'Captain Nidal'

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/c...i-forces-are-targeting-their-knees-1844468281

How Israel is disabling Palestinian teenagers

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...ng-palestinian-teenagers-170911085127509.html

‘I will make half of you disabled and let the other half push wheelchairs’ — Israeli commander to Palestinians

http://mondoweiss.net/2017/09/wheelchairs-commander-palestinians/

And you call Hamas the violent side?

Bring in the ICC!
End apartheid.
Make both sides live by the law.

 

[happ]

When Trump talks about extreme vetting he's talking about guys like Frank.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Again, you bring up one death but ignore the killing of way, way more civilians.
You refuse to comment on or condemn the intentional crippling of children by Israel

Thats horseshit Frankie. Israeli's arent intentionally going around crippling children or murdering civilians.
If it does occassionally happen then its usually a renegade IDF soldier, and thats very hard to prevent.

Let me teach you something, ever heard of IDF's "knock on the roof" tactics??
What they do is hit a known Hamas safe-house with a flash projectile.
They then give civilians 30 seconds to clear out (longer if they see people are slow to get out).

Watch video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a755Rq5mqEE

They do this to minimize civilian casualties.
Also notice how the house next to it suffered almost no damage??

So do you think Hamas would do the same if they had an advanced air-force??
My guess is they wouldnt, they would try to kill as many Jews as possible.

 

[basketcase]

Again, you bring up one death....

Because that death was an intentional terrorist attack committed by the Palestinian party you openly support.

 

[Frankfooter]

Thats horseshit Frankie. Israeli's arent intentionally going around crippling children or murdering civilians.
If it does occassionally happen then its usually a renegade IDF soldier, and thats very hard to prevent.

Let me teach you something, ever heard of IDF's "knock on the roof" tactics??
What they do is hit a known Hamas safe-house with a flash projectile.
They then give civilians 30 seconds to clear out (longer if they see people are slow to get out).

Watch video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a755Rq5mqEE

They do this to minimize civilian casualties.
Also notice how the house next to it suffered almost no damage??

So do you think Hamas would do the same if they had an advanced air-force??
My guess is they wouldnt, they would try to kill as many Jews as possible.

The roof knocking is one of the actions that was submitted to the ICC for charges.
And I know you believe Israel to be the 'most moral army in the world' but these reports aren't faked, they are backed by NGO's and investigations.
Crippling children by shooting them in the legs and knees is actually an Israeli tactic.
Read the links.

 

[Frankfooter]

Because that death was an intentional terrorist attack committed by the Palestinian party you openly support.

Again, the use of the word 'terrorist' is to dehumanize Palestinians in exactly the same way you refuse to either express remorse or guilt for any Palestinian deaths.
That makes your posts exactly like Galsegin's posts, all designed to attack one race.

Which is why you need to support equal rights and both sides being held to the law through the ICC.
Its the only just way to end apartheid.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The roof knocking is one of the actions that was submitted to the ICC for charges.
And I know you believe Israel to be the 'most moral army in the world' but these reports aren't faked, they are backed by NGO's and investigations.
Crippling children by shooting them in the legs and knees is actually an Israeli tactic.
Read the links

The fact you think that roof knocking is a bad thing tells me exactly where your mindset is at

 

[Frankfooter]

The fact you think that roof knocking is a bad thing tells me exactly where your mindset is at

Israel targeted civilian infrastructure, which is a war crime, and then claimed it was ok because they gave ineffectual warnings for civilians to leave.

Both the 2009 UNHRC Goldstone Report and the 2015 UNHRC McGowan-Davis Report deemed the tactic ineffective as a warning and possibly even illegal.

Those reports and critics from the human rights community have said that the tactic often confuses civilians into not leaving or returning to their residences too soon instead of saving them.

In a well-known case in the 2014 war, a group of civilians evacuated after a roof-knocking warning, waited outside for a few minutes and then returned, thinking it was a false alarm, only to return too early and be killed by the missile strike.

In fact, the same result occurred when the US used the tactic in Iraq, leading to questions about whether the US will use it again.

If it does not use it again, could that be a point against the tactic? The US use of the tactic differed somewhat from the IDF’s.

The US fired a Hellfire missile that exploded above the site it was attacking instead of hitting the roof. Could that difference lead to treating the US and IDF uses of roof-knocking differently? There is also a complaint that roof-knocking terrorizes the civilian populace, though leading US law of war scholar Michael Schmitt has written that this criticism fails to understand that in a spectrum of outcomes, scaring civilians to save their lives is well worth it.

The broader battle over roof-knocking is also about approaches to international law and war. Critics of the tactic say the IDF strikes targets that it should not hit in the first place due to the proximity of civilians, rationalizing that it has warned them to leave.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/An...mean-for-ICC-view-of-Israels-use-of-it-452819

I'm not surprised you support targeting civilian infrastructure, which really is state terrorism.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Israel targeted civilian infrastructure, which is a war crime, and then claimed it was ok because they gave ineffectual warnings for civilians to leave.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/An...mean-for-ICC-view-of-Israels-use-of-it-452819

I'm not surprised you support targeting civilian infrastructure, which really is state terrorism

Meh.....who cares

 

[Frankfooter]

Meh.....who cares

The ICC.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180109-knesset-warned-of-icc-investigation-in-2018/

 

[FAST]

Meh.....who cares

Nobody that has any authority over Israel anyway, most certainly NOT the ICC... well maybe the UN,... which is currently populated by corrupt despots,... so no so much.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The ICC.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180109-knesset-warned-of-icc-investigation-in-2018/

Keep dreaming

 

[basketcase]

Again, the use of the word 'terrorist' is to dehumanize Palestinians....

The use of the word terrorist is because Hamas chose to kill a civilian driving in his civilian vehicle on a civilian road. But of course you are completely incapable of admitting that the attack was terrorism and was committed by your Hamas heroes.


p.s. Your Hamas masters (and the vast majority of Palestinians) absolutely reject the idea of equal rights with Jews. Does that not bother you?

 

[canada-man]

Israel targeted civilian infrastructure, which is a war crime, and then claimed it was ok because they gave ineffectual warnings for civilians to leave.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/An...mean-for-ICC-view-of-Israels-use-of-it-452819

I'm not surprised you support targeting civilian infrastructure, which really is state terrorism.

why are you silent on the Turkish Occupation of Northern Cyprus and the Ethnic Cleansing of Greek Cypriots replacing them with Turkish settlers?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

why are you silent on the Turkish Occupation of Northern Cyprus and the Ethnic Cleansing of Greek Cypriots replacing them with Turkish settlers?

Because almost no Jewish people live there??

 

[Frankfooter]

The use of the word terrorist is because Hamas chose to kill a civilian driving in his civilian vehicle on a civilian road. But of course you are completely incapable of admitting that the attack was terrorism and was committed by your Hamas heroes.

Then by your terms Israel are also terrorists.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/israeli-troops-shoot-dead-legless-11707581

Are you willing to apply the term 'terrorist' to those who shoot civilians for political purposes or are you using it only on one race?

 

[basketcase]

Then by your terms Israel are also terrorists....

I fully agree that Israeli settlers who throw stones at Palestinian villages are terrorists. Just like the Hamas murder of the rabbi, it is violence randomly targeting civilians who were doing nothing but living their lives.

Instead of pretending that it is racist to describe Hamas terrorism as terrorism you should consider criticizing them for it.

 

[Frankfooter]

I fully agree that Israeli settlers who throw stones at Palestinian villages are terrorists.

So how do Palestinians tell which settlers aren't terrorists and which IDF aren't terrorists?