Endangered Gorilla shot to protect young boy

[Jubee]

No. Just because you quoted them on here doesn't make them valid.

Well apparently my opinion isn't valid, so I'll point out a statement from a professional that IS valid.

 

[Jubee]

WTF are you talking about ? Your pointless dribble is all over the map. So is an out of season moose is one of " God's magnificent and beautiful creatures that shouldn't be destroyed by man " but in season it is one of God's uninspiring and ugly creatures that should be destroyed by man ? Is God's work subject to man's arbitrary designation of 'hunting season' - is that your reason to bring up moose ?

BTW: The gorilla was shot to save a boy - are you suggesting the boy was not one of God's magnificent and beautiful creatures that shouldn't be destroyed ? Shoot the boy, save God's magnificent and beautiful creatures ?

Funny you mention God like the mother did when he apparently saved her baby. Yet, where was God prior to all this mess?
Why would God allow for such a stupid incident to happen?

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh, "GOD".

 

[Promo]

Now that I read this I agree that a tranquilizer should probably have been the first choice. Save the child and the animal. As much as the animal was the dangerous part of the situation it still didn't necessarily deserve to die.

The man in the video said that they train for this sort of thing. Which means those officials were trained to use guns instead of a tranquilizer. With either method, the gorilla needed to be dealt with quickly and efficiently.

I wish I could re-find it, but an article I read said tranquilized gorillas fall forward if they were standing and sideways if they were sitting. In this case if tranquilized the gorilla would likely have drowned in the moat.

There is also a possibility that he could have fallen on top of the boy and drowned him before rescuers got in.

 

[james t kirk]

WTF are you talking about ? Your pointless dribble is all over the map. So is an out of season moose is one of " God's magnificent and beautiful creatures that shouldn't be destroyed by man " but in season it is one of God's uninspiring and ugly creatures that should be destroyed by man ? Is God's work subject to man's arbitrary designation of 'hunting season' - is that your reason to bring up moose ?

BTW: The gorilla was shot to save a boy - are you suggesting the boy was not one of God's magnificent and beautiful creatures that shouldn't be destroyed ? Shoot the boy, save God's magnificent and beautiful creatures ?

Excuse me, but you were the one who brought forth the argument of "do you eat meat" as some sort of justification for shooting the gorilla. I questioned your logic and your thinking and still do.

Hardly all over the map.

It is my opinion that the gorilla need not have been shot. It is a tragedy.

 

[Promo]

It is my opinion that the gorilla need not have been shot.

Please backup your opinion with expert opinion or supporting facts. So far all we see from you is emotional rhetoric and insults.

So far the vast majority of the experts seem to agree that the Cincinnati zoo officials did the right thing under the circumstances. Absolutely it was a tragedy and unfair to the gorilla, but the boy's life was the priority.

- Tranquilizing could have resulted in an angry animal that dragged the child further resulting in even more injury. High probability the gorilla may have fallen into the moat and drowned (see above). Smaller possibility he could have fallen onto the child he was holding and drowned him. Possibility the dart could have hit the child and killed him.
- Waiting was clearly shown as risky as the gorilla had already dragged the boy several times and the gorilla was already agitated by the noisy crowd. According to at least 2 experts he was becoming MORE agitated. When gorillas get agitated they tend to throw things and charge - he may have dragged the child over rocks/concrete/hard soil very rapidly.
- No-one was controlling the crowd, in particular the screaming. The crowd was making the situation much worse.
- How long do you think the little boy would have remained calm. What if he started to freak or try to get away?
- Unlike the other gorilla that had been trained to take garbage to the cage door (someone posted a URL above), this gorilla has never had similar training. Nor did this gorilla have any close human contact as an adult.
- Even the trainer who raised this gorilla from a few weeks old (link posted above) said, although this particular gorilla was gentle, all gorillas are unpredictable, brutally strong and fast and don't comprehend how fragile humans are.

By the way, there are at least 3 types of people. The 3rd type gets easily baited by Fuji and argues for pages about irrelevant issues. I know, I fell for his babble once too.

 

[SkyRider]

While not human, gorillas are virtually humanlike. They have a head, 2 arms, 2 legs, a brain, a heart, etc., everything a normal human has. They also have humanlike feelings and emotions.

 

[Promo]

While not human, gorillas are virtually humanlike. They have a head, 2 arms, 2 legs, a brain, a heart, etc., everything a normal human has. They also have humanlike feelings and emotions.

Wow ..... wow ..... you've given us all something to ponder.

IM649 and Fuji, you two really need to rethink your positions on this topic.

 

[fuji]

Excuse me, but you were the one who brought forth the argument of "do you eat meat" as some sort of justification for shooting the gorilla. I questioned your logic and your thinking and still do.

Hardly all over the map.

It is my opinion that the gorilla need not have been shot. It is a tragedy.

You are on record elsewhere saying extremist things like you would support a mass die off of humans in order to create an animal utopia.

 

[james t kirk]

You are on record elsewhere saying extremist things like you would support a mass die off of humans in order to create an animal utopia.

Get it right at least.

I've never said I support a mass die off of humans to create an animal utopia.

What I've said is that humans are hardly an endangered species. There' s something like 7 billion humans on this planet and in many cases there might only be a few hundred of many kinds of animals. (Like this gorilla.). The planet cannot support the continued exponential growth of the human population.

The planet would not miss a couple of billion people. Sounds harsh, but it's true. Mother Nature is always cooking up the next Spanish flu to cull the heard.

I understand why Someone somewhere shot the gorilla, but it was the wrong decision.

There's billions of useless people. I believe there is only 1500 gorillas like the one they shot for no damn good reason.

 

[cunning linguist]

Get it right at least.

I've never said I support a mass die off of humans to create an animal utopia.

What I've said is that humans are hardly an endangered species. There' s something like 7 billion humans on this planet and in many cases there might only be a few hundred of many kinds of animals. (Like this gorilla.). The planet cannot support the continued exponential growth of the human population.

The planet would not miss a couple of billion people. Sounds harsh, but it's true. Mother Nature is always cooking up the next Spanish flu to cull the heard.

I understand why Someone somewhere shot the gorilla, but it was the wrong decision.

There's billions of useless people. I believe there is only 1500 gorillas like the one they shot for no damn good reason.

Feel free to sacrifice your own children for the greater good of the animal kingdom.

 

[fuji]

Get it right at least.

I've never said I support a mass die off of humans to create an animal utopia.

What I've said is that humans are hardly an endangered species. There' s something like 7 billion humans on this planet and in many cases there might only be a few hundred of many kinds of animals. (Like this gorilla.). The planet cannot support the continued exponential growth of the human population.

The planet would not miss a couple of billion people. Sounds harsh, but it's true. Mother Nature is always cooking up the next Spanish flu to cull the heard.

I understand why Someone somewhere shot the gorilla, but it was the wrong decision.

There's billions of useless people. I believe there is only 1500 gorillas like the one they shot for no damn good reason.

Every one of those people's lives is worth more than every one of those gorillas.

 

[Occasionally]

It's predictable what the outcome would be.

No matter what, human life is always saved over whatever animal is dangering them. Even the most idiotic, drunk, prison escaping loser jumping into an animal cage will get saved. And if it means shooting the animal as a precaution then that's what's going to happen.

That guy trying to commit suicide with the lions is no different.

It sucks sometimes because depending on the situation, the human may the root cause of the trouble instigating trouble, but we are humans. And we as humans put ourselves on a higher pedestal than any other creature.

 

[stinkynuts]

Every one of those people's lives is worth more than every one of those gorillas.

So a rapist, murderer, or pedophile is worth more than a gorilla because it is human?

We humans like to believe that we are worth more, but that is like saying gold is more valuable than silver. To us humans, it is, because we are the ones that assign worth and value to it. In the future, silver could be more valuable than gold. Nothing is intrinsically better or worth more than anything.

In the eyes of a gorilla, a gorilla is worth more than a human, and a gorilla will kill a human to save one of its own. Everything is subjective.

Suppose it came down to saving either the gorilla or a man who killed someone very close to you? I think for most the choice wouldn't be so hard...

 

[fuji]

So a rapist, murderer, or pedophile is worth more than a gorilla because it is human?

Yes.

If you put a murderer on death row in with the gorilla, and the gorilla was going to hurt him, shooting the gorilla would clearly be the ethical, moral, right thing to do.

Being attacked by a gorilla is cruel and unusual punishment. You would kill the endangered gorilla so that you could execute the convicted murderer in a more humane fashion.

 

[Ridgeman08]

Reading through this thread... I have but one thought, in this day and age of social media:

 

[Jubee]

Get it right at least.

I've never said I support a mass die off of humans to create an animal utopia.

What I've said is that humans are hardly an endangered species. There' s something like 7 billion humans on this planet and in many cases there might only be a few hundred of many kinds of animals. (Like this gorilla.). The planet cannot support the continued exponential growth of the human population.

The planet would not miss a couple of billion people. Sounds harsh, but it's true. Mother Nature is always cooking up the next Spanish flu to cull the heard.

I understand why Someone somewhere shot the gorilla, but it was the wrong decision.

There's billions of useless people. I believe there is only 1500 gorillas like the one they shot for no damn good reason.

That numbers actually put things into perspective. Wow

 

[Celticman]

 

[SkyRider]

This happened a year ago. People were outraged.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/outrage-erupts-after-police-shoot-bear-dead-1.2400356

 

[cunning linguist]

So a rapist, murderer, or pedophile is worth more than a gorilla because it is human?

We humans like to believe that we are worth more, but that is like saying gold is more valuable than silver. To us humans, it is, because we are the ones that assign worth and value to it. In the future, silver could be more valuable than gold. Nothing is intrinsically better or worth more than anything.

In the eyes of a gorilla, a gorilla is worth more than a human, and a gorilla will kill a human to save one of its own. Everything is subjective.

Suppose it came down to saving either the gorilla or a man who killed someone very close to you? I think for most the choice wouldn't be so hard...

But that wasn't the choice, the choice was between the life of a child or the life of a gorilla. Again, feel free to sacrifice your own offspring, for the betterment of the animal kingdom, if you feel so strongly about it.

It's easy to be an armchair quarterback when it doesn't affect you or those you care about. Just as it's easy to believe that all animals are "innocent" and valuable when you're so far disconnected from the realities of wildlife.

 

[cunning linguist]

Was shocked to learn that Chimps rape and a male lion will kill cubs that aren't his if he mates with a female.
Pretty brutal.

Wild animals aren't "innocent" or "guilty", they're wild. Nature isn't how it's depicted in Bambi; animals don't all get along with each other, even if they're the same species. There are retreads of the same ignorant bullshit when Cecil the lion was shot, acting as if lion cubs were only in danger of being killed by another male, asserting his dominance over the pride, because Cecil was shot by a dentist. Do people actually think that Cecil didn't kill any cubs when he took over the pride?

Plenty of animals do shitty things to each other on a regular basis.