Emma Watson accused of antisemitism over pro-Palestinian Instagram post

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You're just proving my point, kiddo. On the hasbara list "yell Jewish conspiracy...

So accusing people of parroting Israeli 'propaganda' isn't a conspiracy theory. Nice.

And where the hell did you get the idea that I'm soft on right wing antisemitism?

p.s. do you have any comment on Palestinian racism directed towards Jews which has been a big part of 100 years of violence?

 

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Feel free to quote the reports and find the parts you think I don't agree with.
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I do and you make excuses.

Being a Jew in the West bank does not make people legitimate targets. You keep alleging they aren't civilians because there is the IDF.
In repeated discussions about Gaza rockets from Hamas, PIJ, and others, you've claimed these terrorist groups have a right of self defense. The groups you quote say the opposite.
I can't quote where you are critical of Palestinian leadership because you are too busy demonizing Israel to do so.

 

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I do and you make excuses.

Being a Jew in the West bank does not make people legitimate targets. You keep alleging they aren't civilians because there is the IDF.
In repeated discussions about Gaza rockets from Hamas, PIJ, and others, you've claimed these terrorist groups have a right of self defense. The groups you quote say the opposite.
I can't quote where you are critical of Palestinian leadership because you are too busy demonizing Israel to do so.

1) You have stated that settlers attacking Palestinians are 'terrorists'. Now you say that those 'terrorists' aren't legitimate targets, but Palestinians you label as 'terrorist', like Defence For Children International (as described by Israel), are legitimate targets.

Outcry as Israel labels Palestinian rights groups ‘terrorists’

The designation effectively outlaws the activities of six leading groups, subjecting their members to raids and arrest.

www.aljazeera.com

2) You still claim that Palestinians never have the right to self defence, even under an illegal occupation, but that settlers acting as militants in occupied Palestine have the right to self defense.
3) These threads take too much of my time just correcting your claims to discuss Palestinian politics.

You're describing apartheid, where you refuse to acknowledge even basic human rights for Palestinians, from the right to self determination to the right to self defence under an illegal occupation.
Stop defending apartheid.

The way towards peace is to stop using the word 'terrorist' and apply basic human rights and the rule of law.
Bring in the ICC.
End apartheid.

 

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1) You have stated that settlers attacking Palestinians are 'terrorists'. Now you say that those 'terrorists' aren't legitimate targets,

Yes, that's what your rights groups say.

Settlers who are engaged in attacks on civilians deserve to be arrested or self defense could be applied against them during their attacks.

Every other Jew in the West Bank is NOT a legitimate target despite what you are trying to claim. If people who think like you were in charge of Israel then attacks on every other Palestinian would be considered legitimate.

What makes your double standard even worse is you have complained about Israel arresting people engaged in violence or killing them in the act while happily supporting Palestinians doing much worse.

From Amnesty

Pretty much exactly what I said.

Amnesty International, Breach of the Principle of Distinction | How does law protect in war? - Online casebook

casebook.icrc.org

but Palestinians you label as 'terrorist', like Defence For Children International (as described by Israel), are legitimate targets.

First I never said DCIP is a terrorist group (unless in your warped world think I run Israel). PFLP is a terrorist group though, as is Hamas, PIJ, and Fatah's armed wing. That's not my opinion, it's Canada's.

Currently listed entities

Introduction to the terms of reference and listing of terrorist entities according to Canada's Anti-Terrorism Act

www.publicsafety.gc.ca

2) You still claim that Palestinians never have the right to self defence, even under an illegal occupation, but that settlers acting as militants in occupied Palestine have the right to self defense.

We have different definitions of self defense. Self defense applies when you are being directly attacked and you can't get away, you can defend yourself against that person. It does not mean you can lob rockets randomly towards cities because you don't like Jews being in Jerusalem.

3) These threads take too much of my time just correcting your claims to discuss Palestinian politics.

So now your excuse for refusing to criticize flaws in Palestinian leadership is because you don't have enough time?

 

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Yes, that's what your rights groups say.

Settlers who are engaged in attacks on civilians deserve to be arrested or self defense could be applied against them during their attacks.

Congratulations, this is the first time that you've ever admitted that Palestinians have a right to self defense against settlers in any situation.
Now, for the record, how is one to identify between say a 'random' settler and a 'terrorist' settler?

From Amnesty
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Thank you for posting that you also agree with Amnesty that every single settlement in the OToP are illegal war crimes.
Amnesty says settlers lose their civilian status when they take part in hostilities.

I assume that these would therefore not be civilians by your definition.

Armed Jewish Settlers Attack Susiya Village (VIDEO)

Armed Jewish settlers attacked the village, opened fire at homes and shouted profanities at local Palestinian residents.

www.palestinechronicle.com

Or for that matter, any of the settlers who took part in the 450 documented attacks on Palestinians over the last two years.

Settler Violence = State Violence

Since occupying the West Bank in 1967, Israel has misappropriated more than 2 million dunams of land there for its own purposes, including building and expanding settlements and paving roads for settlers. Some areas have been officially taken over by the state, others through daily acts of...

www.btselem.org

First I never said DCIP is a terrorist group (unless in your warped world think I run Israel).

Israel's official statement is that Defence for Children International are terrorists.
Do you agree or disagree with them?

We have different definitions of self defense. Self defense applies when you are being directly attacked and you can't get away, you can defend yourself against that person.

For instance if you were living under a military occupation with military checkpoints, would you say you couldn't get away?
Like the Palestinians in Gaza, they live inside the world's largest open air prison.
Or in the West Bank?
Can they get away?

Its all a slippery slope, basketcase.
Once you admit that settlers do act as 'terrorists' some times that would mean they could use the same rationale you use against Palestinians, that they 'thought they were 'terrorists'.
That's why its better to do away with the totally political term 'terrorist' and just go for war crimes, crimes against humanity and human rights violations like apartheid.

You should just join me in calling for both sides to be held to the law through the ICC.
That's the way to de-escalate.

 

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Congratulations, this is the first time that you've ever admitted that Palestinians have a right to self defense against settlers in any situation.
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Obviously you can't read what I said or care what the rights groups you claim to support say as you justify attacks on civilians.

 

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Obviously you can't read what I said or care what the rights groups you claim to support say as you justify attacks on civilians.

Sure, basketcase. They are 'terrorists' like Defence for Children International, who incidentally appear to have been deemed 'terrorists' for daring to support taking Israel to the ICC.
They were also hacked by NSO, the Israeli hackers that Apple is taking to court, the same one that hacked Canadians, the same ones that hacked Khashoggi before he was assassinated.

Six Palestinian human rights defenders hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

On 19 October 2021, Israeli Minister of Defense, Benny Gantz, announced the designation of six leading Palestinian civil society organizations in the Occupied Palestinian Territory as “terrorist organizations” under Israel’s Anti-Terrorism Law 2016. The groups named are Addameer; Al-Haq; Defense...

www.frontlinedefenders.org

Israel designates Palestinian civil society groups as terrorists, U.N. 'alarmed'

Israel on Friday designated six Palestinian civil society groups as terrorist organisations and accused them of funnelling donor aid to militants, a move that drew criticism from the United Nations and human rights watchdogs.

www.reuters.com

You really are on a journey of truth and human rights, aren't you?

Will 2022 be the year the ‘Israel apartheid’ label sticks?

DIPLOMATIC AFFAIRS: Anti-Israel activists have been pushing the apartheid libel for at least 20 years. Will it stick this year?

www.jpost.com

 

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Sure, basketcase. They are 'terrorists' ...

So you're now claiming Canada is apartheid and demonizing Palestinians by including them on the list? You really are going to great lengths to justify attacks on Jewish civilians. I guess that's one place where you actually agree with many Palestinians.

 

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So you're now claiming Canada is apartheid and demonizing Palestinians by including them on the list? You really are going to great lengths to justify attacks on Jewish civilians. I guess that's one place where you actually agree with many Palestinians.

Its Friday, basketcase, but its still a bit early for drinking.

I oppose injustice.
That includes apartheid.

Emma Watson’s support for Palestinians backed by celebs: ‘We oppose injustice anywhere’
Emma Watson was accused of anti-Semitism last week

 

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Its Friday, basketcase, but its still a bit early for drinking.
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You should try it. Maybe you can work some of your obsessive hatred out.

Currently listed entities

Introduction to the terms of reference and listing of terrorist entities according to Canada's Anti-Terrorism Act

www.publicsafety.gc.ca

 

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You should try it. Maybe you can work some of your obsessive hatred out.

You been hanging out with Ambassador Danon or something again?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478053505806094337

 

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You been hanging out with Ambassador Danon or something again?

Nice attempt to avoid reality. You really need some better tricks. Hamas, PFLP, PIJ, are all terrorist entities as designated by Canada.

And as I said before, I have absolutely no problem with Watson's post. Unlike you, she hasn't hit multiple points on Canada's definition of antisemitism.

 

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Nice attempt to avoid reality. You really need some better tricks. Hamas, PFLP, PIJ, are all terrorist entities as designated by Canada.

And as I said before, I have absolutely no problem with Watson's post. Unlike you, she hasn't hit multiple points on Canada's definition of antisemitism.

You need some better tricks now that Israel says Defence for Children International are terrorists.
And if you are still so worried about terrorists its time for you to disavow the Israeli government that elected a party recognized as terrorists by Canada.

Those tricks are done.

Now its time to talk about ending apartheid, racism and settler colonialism.
Its time for equal rights.

 

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You need some better tricks now that Israel says...

I care about what Canada says. They say Hamas is a terrorist entity. So is PFLP, PIJ, and several others. They also say Israel is a strong trade partner and that many of your posts include examples of antisemitic behaviour.

 

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I care about what Canada says.

Glad to hear it.

 

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Glad to hear it.
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So you admit Hamas, PFLP, PIJ and other Palestinian factions are terrorists?


Even if you say Hamas leadership admitting their goal is ethnic cleansing Jews from the region and admitting they intentionally target random Jewish civilians, yo would still be trying to say it's not true.


p.s. That poll clearly shows, support for ICC investigations of Israel is lower than support for investigations elsewhere. And unlike you, most Canadians support Hamas being treated as a terror group as long as they act as a terror group.

 

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So you admit Hamas, PFLP, PIJ and other Palestinian factions are terrorists?

As much as the Kahanists elected to the Israeli parliament and Defence For Children International are 'terrorists'.

Its a term you use to dehumanize and justify war crimes on civilians, by defending Israel's claiming all of Gaza are 'terrorists' you support Israel targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure like hospitals, schools, apartment buildings and media centers.

You really should look at what you are defending and the repercussions of calling all Palestinians by this label.

125 countries back open-ended UNHRC war crimes probe against Israel

US representative: Investigation perpetuates a practice of unfairly singling out Israel in the UN

www.jpost.com

 

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As much as the Kahanists elected to the Israeli parliament ...

Another dumb defense of Hamas.

You keep focussing on a party elected to one seat in the opposition who isn't as member of a designated terrorist entity (even through they have same philosophical root as one) while ignoring that Hamas government in Gaza is entirely a designated entity and the PA is run by people with the same philosophical root as terrorists (who are members of the ruling party). Just another of your asinine double standard.

But sure, keep on saying Canada is racist for calling Hamas terrorists just because Hamas commits acts of terrorism.

 

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Another dumb defense of Hamas.

You keep focussing on a party elected to one seat in the opposition who isn't as member of a designated terrorist entity (even through they have same philosophical root as one) while ignoring that Hamas government in Gaza is entirely a designated entity and the PA is run by people with the same philosophical root as terrorists (who are members of the ruling party). Just another of your asinine double standard.

But sure, keep on saying Canada is racist for calling Hamas terrorists just because Hamas commits acts of terrorism.

Your entire argument these days is based on being able to label Palestinians as 'terrorists'.
Because if you admit that 90%+ of Gaza is actually civilians and close to half the population are children, you'd be left defending acts that you would define as 'terrorism'.

Its the word you use to dehumanize.
To justify treating Palestinians under apartheid as not deserving of full human rights.

Which is why almost every post by you includes either 'Hamas' or 'terrorist'.
And never 'human rights'.

But its a human rights issue now.

 

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Your entire argument these days is based on being able to label Palestinians as 'terrorists'.
Because if you admit that 90%+ of Gaza is actually civilians and close to half the population are children, you'd be left defending acts that you would define as 'terrorism'.

Its the word you use to dehumanize.
To justify treating Palestinians under apartheid as not deserving of full human rights.

Which is why almost every post by you includes either 'Hamas' or 'terrorist'.
And never 'human rights'.

But its a human rights issue now.

Is this your attempt at slander of is it just a desperate attempt to avoid admitting Hamas, PIJ, and PFLP are terrorist entities? You must be really sad living in a country so racist as to call them terrorists.