the freedom convoy folks have the right to stand up for what they feel is important and just
apparently they do not feel enriching public sector unions is important or just
They do not like their hard earned tax dollars being abused by unions
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apparently they do not feel enriching public sector unions is important or just
They do not like their hard earned tax dollars being abused by unions
the taxpayer does not owe anyone a living wage
if an unskilled employee wants more compensation, go out and obtain skills that are in demand and can command higher compensation
they asked for double digit % increases every year for four years ... driving their comp to $ 60K . The average comp in Ontario (including all skilled employees) $52,600 , down 5,2% in 2021
if granted every public sector union will demand the same foolish / ridiculous increases
The province is broke... Wake up
if you want to give janitors more out of the education budget, re-allocate what the unions already extort
Number of Ontario teachers on sunshine list doubles in 2020 | Toronto Sun
You should not worry. Sleep well. I believe you will get your wish of Canada becoming a third world country, somewhat akin to Brazil.
Why should we have Universal health care. I already go to the USA for critical medical treatments when I need it. I hope you can afford it also.
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Yup, the emergency act was an attack on democracy for the anti vaxxers, but using the nothwithstanding on support workers?
How do you run a country if nobody gets a living wage?
Taxpayers are not paying the educational workers salaries. They are T4 employees who pay their taxes every year like me and you. You sound like the type of person who vilifies public sector employees when again they are T4 employees who pay taxes on their salaries as well. By your logic we pay the police’s salaries as well then. So you would agree with the notion that we should defund the police since we the taxpayers are the ones paying for it?
yes they do
Taxpayers also assume the liability for irresponsible govt borrowing
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Let us know when they are self-funding, until then stow that ridiculous argument
yes taxpayers pay police’s salaries
no I would not agree
I value law and order & if you had any sense at all you should too
Are you that foolish that you equate police with school janitors ?
Fun Fact No. 1:
If you look at the hiring data since 2000 or so, enrollment in Ontario schools is flat. And yet since that time, the province has hired more than 35 thousand new educational workers. That is, the payroll for Education in Ontario has been increased by more than 35,000 additional mouths to feed. Of those 35 thousand plus additional people hired, 16,000 are additional teachers and the rest are support staff. Name me one other industry out there that would hire 35 thousand plus new employees if they were experiencing 0 growth?
Fun Fact No. 2.
The Teachers Union and CUPE (support workers) have a clause in their contracts that basically says, "if CUPE gets an 11.7 percent raise, the teachers automatically get an 11.7 percent raise". And that's 11.7 percent in each and every year of the four (4) year contract. Who else do you know that is up for an 11.7 percent raise?
Fun Fact No. 3
In the province of Ontario, the largest expenditure in the budget is Health Care. A very close second is education. After that, do you know what the largest expenditure is?
Answer = Interest on the debt.
Fun Fact No. 4
The province of Ontario carries the largest subsovereign debt of any jurisdiction on the planet. Larger than the state of California with approximately 40 million inhabitants.
Fun Fact No. 5
When Dalton McGuinty assumed power back in 2003, the provincial debt in Ontario was 130 billion dollars. High, but manageable. When Kathleen Wynne was kicked out, the debt was about 340 billion dollars. Completely insane, but interest rates were low, so the liberals borrowed and spent like drunken sailors. Probably to hire 35 thousand new people in education in Ontario. (See Fun Fact No. 1 above.)
Even under Doug Ford, the debt has increased to about 380 billion dollars. Which is sick. But I will give him a bit of a break given that there was that COVID thing he had to contend with.
Fun Fact No. 6
The provincial debt is held by various bond holders. Bonds pay a dividend to the buyers of the bonds. Think of the dividend that a bond carries as interest and dividend rates do rise and fall in sympathy with interest rates (to a point). Interest rates are climbing and God only knows how high they will go. This means more and more of the budget must be diverted to just paying the interest on our enormous and out of control debt. Think about it.
Fun Fact No. 7
During Covid, the schools were largely closed. CUPE staff (support staff) were still paid. To do what? I dunno, but they were still paid.
Fun Fact No. 8
The lowest FULL TIME CUPE member salary is about 50 k per year. Part timers make less, but that's how it goes. They are not paid in the summer and are entitled to draw unemployment benefits (or if they are ambitious, find a summer job)
MY POSITION
My kids are out of high school now, but two of my brothers have kids still in the school system. My sister has kids in private school.
I fully support Ford based on all of the fun facts I have listed above. The province of Ontario is broke and we cannot afford to increase the education budget by 11.7 percent each and every year for 4 years. It's just not fucking possible and demonstrates to me how out of touch CUPE and teachers unions are.
I might have a little more sympathy for them if they agreed to reduce their numbers by about 15 thousand bodies, but we all know that that will never happen.
So Mr. Ford needs to stick to his guns. This will be a defining moment for his government. If he backs down now, he will lose a huge amount of credibility. My feeling right now just talking to my circle of friends, brothers and colleagues that pretty much everyone is on side with the government on this issue. But people are fickle. So we will see.
If you look at the hiring data since 2000 or so, enrollment in Ontario schools is flat. And yet since that time, the province has hired more than 35 thousand new educational workers. That is, the payroll for Education in Ontario has been increased by more than 35,000 additional mouths to feed. Of those 35 thousand plus additional people hired, 16,000 are additional teachers and the rest are support staff. Name me one other industry out there that would hire 35 thousand plus new employees if they were experiencing 0 growth?
Fun Fact No. 2.
The Teachers Union and CUPE (support workers) have a clause in their contracts that basically says, "if CUPE gets an 11.7 percent raise, the teachers automatically get an 11.7 percent raise". And that's 11.7 percent in each and every year of the four (4) year contract. Who else do you know that is up for an 11.7 percent raise?
Fun Fact No. 3
In the province of Ontario, the largest expenditure in the budget is Health Care. A very close second is education. After that, do you know what the largest expenditure is?
Answer = Interest on the debt.
Fun Fact No. 4
The province of Ontario carries the largest subsovereign debt of any jurisdiction on the planet. Larger than the state of California with approximately 40 million inhabitants.
Fun Fact No. 5
When Dalton McGuinty assumed power back in 2003, the provincial debt in Ontario was 130 billion dollars. High, but manageable. When Kathleen Wynne was kicked out, the debt was about 340 billion dollars. Completely insane, but interest rates were low, so the liberals borrowed and spent like drunken sailors. Probably to hire 35 thousand new people in education in Ontario. (See Fun Fact No. 1 above.)
Even under Doug Ford, the debt has increased to about 380 billion dollars. Which is sick. But I will give him a bit of a break given that there was that COVID thing he had to contend with.
Fun Fact No. 6
The provincial debt is held by various bond holders. Bonds pay a dividend to the buyers of the bonds. Think of the dividend that a bond carries as interest and dividend rates do rise and fall in sympathy with interest rates (to a point). Interest rates are climbing and God only knows how high they will go. This means more and more of the budget must be diverted to just paying the interest on our enormous and out of control debt. Think about it.
Fun Fact No. 7
During Covid, the schools were largely closed. CUPE staff (support staff) were still paid. To do what? I dunno, but they were still paid.
Fun Fact No. 8
The lowest FULL TIME CUPE member salary is about 50 k per year. Part timers make less, but that's how it goes. They are not paid in the summer and are entitled to draw unemployment benefits (or if they are ambitious, find a summer job)
MY POSITION
My kids are out of high school now, but two of my brothers have kids still in the school system. My sister has kids in private school.
I fully support Ford based on all of the fun facts I have listed above. The province of Ontario is broke and we cannot afford to increase the education budget by 11.7 percent each and every year for 4 years. It's just not fucking possible and demonstrates to me how out of touch CUPE and teachers unions are.
I might have a little more sympathy for them if they agreed to reduce their numbers by about 15 thousand bodies, but we all know that that will never happen.
So Mr. Ford needs to stick to his guns. This will be a defining moment for his government. If he backs down now, he will lose a huge amount of credibility. My feeling right now just talking to my circle of friends, brothers and colleagues that pretty much everyone is on side with the government on this issue. But people are fickle. So we will see.
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They should get their money from the freedom convoy I am sure the GOPee will keep funding it if it's to better the lives of Canadian educators
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not while we have the fool justin for PM
that's not my wish
your wish is for all countries and all peoples to be equal.... equally poor
ah, so Universal health care has failed you already
but don't worry the union employees will be able to travel to the states for health care,,,,
the shameful part is many Canadian taxpayers who funded the union enrichment will not be able to afford travel to the states for health care,
time for you to wake up
Are you going to call a school janitor when someone breaks into your home?
Are you going to call a school janitor to perform your prostrate surgery ?
the absurd thing is that you have to explain those common sense facts to the loonies
the fact they do not understand this is itself an indictment of our educational system
"The province of Ontario carries the largest subsovereign debt of any jurisdiction on the planet.
Yes, I thought I read this somewhere.
Larger than the state of California with approximately 40 million inhabitants."
Here's what I think of California.
(317) California Declining | Toronto Escorts Review Board Forum | Terb
Yes, I thought I read this somewhere.
Larger than the state of California with approximately 40 million inhabitants."
Here's what I think of California.
(317) California Declining | Toronto Escorts Review Board Forum | Terb
Yet Ford cut a billion in revenue with plate registration and is cutting developer frees that fund municipal taxes.
But sure, ignore the whole income part of the equation. It's a A-1 John argument to decry spending while being perfectly okay with significant cuts to income.
Wait, I thought you were all for cutting expenditures.
p.s. Good job trying to change a thread about Ford going against intent of the constitution into your whining about Trudeau.
Gee. That's never been something I've dealt with.
Meanwhile I spent 16 years in school buildings (including kindergarten and day care) counting on janitors to keep the place clean and repair broken things, secretaries that helped out in all sorts of issues, and ece workers helping out when class sizes were too big.
Police aren't allowed to strike but they have independent arbitrators to determine their contracts. If CUPE workers are essential, they should have the same right instead of having contracts imposed on them.
