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Why stop there. Give the developers large premiums for building housing.
Funny...When the former Liberal government was battling the same union over the same issues the supporters of the left were in agreement with the government.
So you want consumers to pay property taxes to fund the government, not developers and corporations?
A negotiation occurs between two rational parties
A rational party does not use children as pawns , constant ongoing threats of strikes or demand double digit % increases of a organization which is constantly running deficits
Odd how you ignore the job security, and extravagant benefit packages the government provides to the unions, which would be impossible to obtain elsewhere
You also completely ignore the fact these part-time, unskilled union employees could not possibly replace their current comp in the private sector, let alone their outrageous demands
And there is no shortage of workers who would jump at an opportunity to obtain these government positions
The reality is the unions do not value their employer at all and just view the govt as a cash cow to be milked and abused
Get his trough you head
The Ontario Govt is broke and swimming in unsustainable debt
Debt which has been accumulated primarily to meet excessive union demands
The first surplus in 15 years and the unions feel they are entitled to claim that surplus and more
Meager increases in excess of the real world and in excess of the value provided
the cost of the outrageous benefits has also increased
Apparently the fact that both political parties had union trouble is lost on you
The unions and their self-interest focus is the problem
No private sector organization which has a massive debt load and run deficits 15 years running would be providing any increases
That is the problem
That is not the basis for a sustainable long term partnership with the employer.
The govt is broke, it cannot raise more revenue and its debt is unsustainable
And it supposed labor 'partner" could not give a rats ass about the financial constraints or the financial stability of its 'partner' the govt
Gee no love for a supposed partner who is focused only on their interests and uses threats of shutting down your business to extort more $ from you
Business had enough, relocated to get away from such a destructive / toxic relationship
The unions just focused on a different host- govt
And now governments are saddled with unsustainable and very constraining debt (with rising interest rates) - go figure
no need for indebted govt to give more money away
BTW the cash flow is from developer to govt, not the other away around
you likly believe the developers have an obligation to build houses and sell them at a loss
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likely in line with what other non-unionized, non-skilled employees receive
Probably more if the government was not saddled with the world's highest non-sovereign debt burden
Debt primarily used to satisfy previous outrageous union demands
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If this government was really concerned about budget deficits and balancing the books, why did it give a 16% pay increase to cabinet ministers? Why did it end licence renewal fees? Did it cut these revenue generators so it could have a reason to cut down on the provincial expenditures?
Also, here's a shocker: a government is not a business. It is not expected to turn a profit or provide a return on investment, per se. Most economists see the value of it spending and taking debt, because it does things the private sector will not do. Things that are essential, and require money. Pretending they are GE or Amazon, where they can squeeze profit and savings out of everything is just not accurate.
Finally, you think there are a lot of people who would take these jobs? You don't understand what they do. While you want to look down on them and say anyone could do it, that's just not true. And the reality is, if these people took your advice and got other jobs, our schools would shut the fuck down. You have such a classist and elitist air when it comes to low paid educational workers. But I bet you're all in when Amazon or Walmart try to crush a union...
probably should not have
those poor decisions do not excuse unions myopic focus on themselves
it is not a cash cow for the unions to milk dry either
WTF ??
Any organization has to be managed in a financially sustainable manner
Constantly running deficis and accumulating unsustainable debt will result in insolvency
it has to be managed in a financially sustainable manner
you loonies are demanding sustainability everywhere except govt finance
it is completely irresponsible and disingenuous
Any economist worth his salt will tell you ontarios debt accumulation is unsustainable
A chance to obtain job security & the govt benefits package?
Absolutely & there will be a whole lot more people interested by this time next year
sure I do
These are unskilled part-time positions
I do not look down on anyone who works hard to earn a paycheque
I do believe threatening your employer with a shutdown of operations disrupting students education and their parents schedules is absolutely despicable
And these abuses has been constant for decades
not at all
#1 They cannot possibly replace that comp package in the private sector
#2 the lineup of applicants for that comp package would be massive . It will be much larger this time next year
as a bonus employees could get to keep this union dues
The lefties always try to make it personal and avoid the facts of the matter
Employer are more than willing to pay up for the value employees create
get skills which are in demand and create more value if you want more compensation
that approach is so much more rewarding than threatening to screw over students and parents
Gee what is the purpose of a business
#1 service your customers
#2, Make a profit
Why would you want to have a business partner who's sole interest is not aligned with those objectives and who will actively disrupt servicing your customers via strikes?
There is a reason Industry moved away to remove these toxic partners from their business
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Why target drivers only for tax breaks?
What about ordinary citizens who don't own cars, why do they not get breaks?
Public sector unions are good at 1 thing in particular, and that is fear mongering.
Teachers and this support unions does it along with the nurses. It's always your kids will suffer and if you or your loved ones have to go to the hospital your treatment will suffer. Always threatening the public for sympathy.
Teachers and this support unions does it along with the nurses. It's always your kids will suffer and if you or your loved ones have to go to the hospital your treatment will suffer. Always threatening the public for sympathy.
I see a lot of that in this thread but it’s not coming from those who are in support of the CUPE members
yeah you are right, I don't support them. But watch their press conferences and see for yourself.
A few years ago, two CRA officers doing PR paid our company a visit to do a slide show.
The first slide said: "It is not your money, so any tax rate below 100% is a tax break." They said they were just kidding. I'm not so sure.
Jack Layton quote: "Tax breaks don't benefit people who don't pay taxes."
TERB member quote: " Eliminating car license fee doesn't benefit people who don't pay car license fees."
The first slide said: "It is not your money, so any tax rate below 100% is a tax break." They said they were just kidding. I'm not so sure.
Jack Layton quote: "Tax breaks don't benefit people who don't pay taxes."
TERB member quote: " Eliminating car license fee doesn't benefit people who don't pay car license fees."
Why give a $1 billion a year tax break to car owners only, when you are complaining about a deficit?
Darts quote 'Anyway, why shouldn't ordinary citizens get a tax break instead of giving all our money to government workers?'
