downplayed health risks?

[smllms]

The discussion of the health risks involved in this hobby seem to be severely stifled by the moderators. All health questions are moved to the Vancouver review board where an open discussion is not allowed and questions are only answered by the "health nurse". Why is this? Is it an effort to ignore the unpleasant side of the hobby and make it appear safer than it actually is?

Shouldn't we be painfully aware of the health risks? If SPs have sex with upwards of hundreds of men, aren't STIs and STDs inevitable? The health nurse reports that wordwide 20-30% of the population has herpes (HSV type 2) -- equivalent to every 2-3 out of 10, every 20-30 out of 100, and so fourth. Since hobbying seems to be a fairly close-knit community, wouldn't STDs spread faster than Malibu fires? Not to ignore HPV which supposedly 75% of Canadians acquire at least once in their life.

What are your thoughts on STDs in the community?

 

[The Daulfin]

Your analysis is flawed. You assume that rates of infection are equal among groups and that isn't the case. Yes, sex workers expose themselves more frequently but they do so at a much lower rate due to usage of condoms. Alternately, civilian women are not as vigilant with their condom usage (with girls having one night stands after a night out drinking being among the worst) so while they have sex far less, the fact that they have done so in a far riskier fashion puts their total risk far ahead most sex workers.

Oh and just so you know, those herpes figures are largely a result of non-professional sex, so it's kinda irresponsible to portray them as otherwise.

 

[calloway]

The discussion of the health risks involved in this hobby seem to be severely stifled by the moderators.

Terb sets up a separate posting page for health issues and you think the issue is being "severely" stifled by Moderators?

Give your head a shake... both of them.

What they won't put up with are people coming on this board to accuse SP's/MPA's/Dancers of health issues/STD's/diseases without any actual proof... or at least the chance for these ladies to defend themselves.

 

[Viewer]

Ban STD's!!!!

FSG

Medical science and its predecessors have been working on that for several thousand years.

 

[Mia.Colpa]

Yes, sex workers expose themselves more frequently but they do so at a much lower rate due to usage of condoms. Alternately, civilian women are not as vigilant with their condom usage (with girls having one night stands after a night out drinking being among the worst) so while they have sex far less, the fact that they have done so in a far riskier fashion puts their total risk far ahead most sex workers.

Do you have stats or scientific proof to back this up or is it your gut feeling?


I know smllms is generalizing but also are you. Not all civilian ladies have one night stands without condoms and not all sex workers use condoms with every client as evidenced by another thread on here.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=144294&highlight=bbfs


Bottom be smart in whatever and whoever you`re doing.

What about oral STD transmission among sex workers vs civilian ladies? Anyone know? I don`t think there are studies to back a lot of what we think is right, we try to rationalize and then take the risk.

Back to the original poster, what makes you feel Terb is stifling this topic? We`ve had many threads on STD`s before, do a search. If you`re concerned, which all of us should be, get educated on your own, don`t wait for Terb to educate you. There are many reliable sources for this kind of info, starting with your doctor.

 

[jbar]

My girlfriend who has been an SP for upwards of 10 years had never contracted any disease from any clients ever, as she always was very safe, but she just contracted Herpes. Can you guess how? From her boyfriend......

Well said. After all, there are also many hobbiests on this forum who have been playing the game for at least ten years, and from what I understand, %99.99 of them have not caught a thing. Please feel free to correct me I wrong, since it's important to get the facts out there.


Cheers

 

[pokerdude]

Everyone has their own risk tolerance level. I don't know about you guys but I look at things through a "worst case scenario" level and ask myself if I could live with that. Obviously I wouldn't want to catch something nasty like genital herpes but if I did catch it would it be worth all the fun times I've had with SPs? For me the answer is yes. How about HIV? No, that's why I don't engage in BBFS or BBGreek with anybody. In the back of my mind there is always a risk of catching something and when I'm in any kind of serious relationship with a "civilian" girl, I hobby less and go from the 3BJ to CBJ.

Yes it will still be hard to explain to your SO that you got Crabs, warts, molluscum or any other STI that is transferable even with proper condom use. My best advice is to do your own independent research and get tested regularly.

 

[hunter001]

Shouldn't we be painfully aware of the health risks?

You think we aren't aware? If someone takes up this hobby they should inform themselves.

If members aren't informed there are lot of post from time to time to remind us of the risk of what we decided to partake in.

 

[Shaunhorny]

It would be nice if escorts provided the results of their health test to clients. But at the same time I realize this is a privacy issue. The health test may not be completely up to speed (if she got the test done two days ago, and had clients in between then she could have got something) but it would be a gauge, and indices, a likelihood with which you can determine what risk you want to take in proceeding forward.

 

[Hard Idle]

Well said. After all, there are also many hobbiests on this forum who have been playing the game for at least ten years, and from what I understand, %99.99 of them have not caught a thing. Please feel free to correct me I wrong, since it's important to get the facts out there.

How do you expect to get the facts? Do you really believe that the majority of people would ever post about a transmissible condition if they were to be diagnosed conclusively? I doubt that most would take a chance on somebody in the business possibly finding out who they, matching a face to the handle and circulating the information amongst SPs/MPs.

 

[Hard Idle]

Your analysis is flawed. You assume that rates of infection are equal among groups and that isn't the case. ...Alternately, civilian women are not as vigilant with their condom usage (with girls having one night stands after a night out drinking being among the worst) so while they have sex far less, the fact that they have done so in a far riskier fashion puts their total risk far ahead most sex workers.
.

Your contention about condom use is no more scientific or verifiable than smllms speculative risk analysis. In fact, other than gross numbers in the general population, much of the statistics and risk models are based on extrapolation and conjecture, so there is really a shortage of solid data on this topic.

Either way, it's a mistake to make to much of a distinction between professional and recreational sex. These are not two separate populations, in most cases both providers and customers will engage in both professional and recreational sex to some extent. So the question of how a person is originally exposed to an STD is not nearly as imprtant as the fact that they are now a potential "live round" who will probably be active in both populations at some point.

 

[Laid in Manhattan]

My girlfriend who has been an SP for upwards of 10 years had never contracted any disease from any clients ever, as she always was very safe, but she just contracted Herpes. Can you guess how? From her boyfriend......

I was doing a search on PSE escorts and you offer this service. But how can justify offering a duo with your girlfriend (as advertised) when you admit she has contracted herpes? No thanks!

 

[smllms]

Your analysis is flawed. You assume that rates of infection are equal among groups and that isn't the case. Yes, sex workers expose themselves more frequently but they do so at a much lower rate due to usage of condoms. Alternately, civilian women are not as vigilant with their condom usage (with girls having one night stands after a night out drinking being among the worst) so while they have sex far less, the fact that they have done so in a far riskier fashion puts their total risk far ahead most sex workers.

Oh and just so you know, those herpes figures are largely a result of non-professional sex, so it's kinda irresponsible to portray them as otherwise.

"Professionalism" makes little difference when it comes to herpes Type 2 or HPV. Both viruses will spread whether a condom is present or not. I single out the "professionals" because they are a high risk population due to the significantly higher number of sexual partners they are exposed to.

The Health Nurse states, "Studies in Vancouver, BC, have shown that 20% of women who have had sex have genital herpes Type 2. If that woman has had six or more partners, that number would increase to 40%. And with more than 10 sexual partners, almost 60% of women would have the virus."

Again, for prostitutes it seems only a matter of time before they catch herpes Type 2. And because Johns all frequent the same community of women, once a virus is introduced to the community, one would imagine it would spread quickly amongst the various Johns and prostitutes.

I feel STD's should be banned by the moderators. We won't have to listen to them, waste our time reading up on them, nor will we be in fear of them. Ban STD's!!!!

Your ignorant comment sums up the attitude of this community. Apparently nobody wants to confront the real risks they are exposing themselves to. I have read plenty of posts of men boasting about hundreds of sexual partners, but few, if none, where someone admits to having anything beyond a curable inconvenience. Surely there are some amongst us who have been stung. And why would they come forward with this information? They have nothing left to lose...

 

[biog]

Hello?

I was doing a search on PSE escorts and you offer this service. But how can justify offering a duo with your girlfriend (as advertised) when you admit she has contracted herpes? No thanks!

She never said it was the woman she offers duos with. Just that it was a girlfriend of her's.

 

[Vancouver Femme Fatale]

I think it can be reasonably claimed here is not much good information available about people's sexual habits in any population as it is something people are not comfortable telling others about.

But I give you this; my health and livelihood depend on being informed about STDs and lowering my risk to a level acceptable to both myself and the clients I wish to attract. It's business.

Contrast that with a civilian woman picking up men in bars. Factors like alcohol, peer pressure, sexual attraction, self-esteem issues and a juicy helping of wishful thinking quickly enter the mix as proper condom use is a short-term social decision rather than a long-term business decision.

Who do you think is going to be able to make better decisions about real-world risk? Or let's put it another way...how many Nascar drivers race drinkin' and drivin' with their buddy riding shotgun cranking the tunes? Professional drivers drive faster than your average putz - their time behind the wheel can be seen as more risky - but they are also professionals keenly aware of exactly how much a profoundly stupid mistake will cost. Or, another example; compare numbers of accidents due to improper weapons handling in a population of cops versus your average citizen with a gun.

So higher exposure to specific risk factors (number of partners/ hours of driving/ handling firearms) does not make you automatically less safe over the long run compared with others engaged in a comparable activity. I will submit that most professionals minimize exposure to unnecessary risk where many non-professionals mentally minimize basic risk..a point you make yourself.

In other words, give the professionals - SPs in this case - a hell of a lot more credit in the risk assessment and reduction department. What non-professionals do is another matter.

 

[Esco!]

Hey VFF (How's it hanging????)

 

[Vancouver Femme Fatale]

It hangeth, Esco , verily, it hangeth

 

[Vancouver Femme Fatale]

Where'd smllms go?

 

[Vancouver Femme Fatale]

What's the dealio, smllms? I thought you were rip-roarin' concerned about the issue...don't want to let a little logic posted by someone actually in the business get in the way of your driveby speechifyin' now, do ya?

 

[daKoolGuy]

You tell him VFF