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really how do you figure?
What does the govt use to pay for that corporate welfare or teachers, or doctors. Fairy dust or money that comes in the form of tax revenue. Which is generated by companies paying taxes and buying shit like desk and computers and paper and offices/factories/factory equipment/hydro and heating bills etc and paying income taxes and paying employees. Who in turn pay various taxes and fee to the govt

How does the government raise even more money ( revenue) when they use deficits and debt in the trillions and borrow money…by issuing Treasury Bills and bonds that are discounted or at a premium to par or pay interest. And who is king of that. Capitalism and that’s why they are called

Capital……..markets
And how would capitalism get by without the government training its workers, building its infrastructure, enforcing its contracts, protecting its IP, making the world safe for trade, etc? Capitalists just market government debt. Government can and has so,d its debt directly in the past. There literally used to be counters and offices where government so,d its bonds directly. They could create their own institution if needed. Bank of Canada does a great job creating and buying debt as well. It's not rocket science
 

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Socialism funds capitalism? Really? Where does tax money come from?

I'll wait...
From the economy, of which the government is 25% or so. They also provide and charge for setvices, including the ones that capitalists depend on to make money, like IP protection, infrastructure construction, etc. If you want a system where government is absent and the market is untouched, check out Somalia. Strangely it is not known for any capitalist innovation or as a place anyone would want to live
 

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That's exactly what socialism is, services the government pays through taxes for the good of the public.
Maybe we should work backwards, is public health care socialism in your terms?
No it is not. Remember, how public healthcare is funded and managed. Every hospital is a capitalist venture. Our health cards are really just government provided insurance for which we pay premiums via taxation. It really is no different than paying private insurance in the US. The only difference being everyone gets the same care, and there is no issue with affordability and accessibility (apart from the shortage of doctors and specialists). Similar to private insurance, there are things that are covered, things that are not, things that are partially covered.

If a country has to be considered socialist, then a key feature is collective ownership of enterprises and means of production. The government has to determine production output and pricing levels. You'd also have a "rationing" system, which attempts to ration essentials per need. Are Canadian hospitals collectively owned? No. So how is that socialist?

What we have is a social democracy. What we have is really a mixed economy with both public and private institutions, and a tax payer funded social safety net. This is not socialism.
Interesting...so I guess we can get rid of all the unions then? Unless you consider them recipients of "social welfare"?
Unions are for collective bargaining in the west and they exist (and are needed) within a capitalist system so they aren't taken advantage of. This is not socialism.
 

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From the economy, of which the government is 25% or so. They also provide and charge for setvices, including the ones that capitalists depend on to make money, like IP protection, infrastructure construction, etc. If you want a system where government is absent and the market is untouched, check out Somalia. Strangely it is not known for any capitalist innovation or as a place anyone would want to live
Taxes come from the economy?!?! Lol that's funny.

It's almost as funny as when JT said "the economy is people not numbers".
 

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Unions are for collective bargaining in the west and they exist (and are needed) within a capitalist system so they aren't taken advantage of. This is not socialism.
That's exactly what socialism is! Lol!
 

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That's exactly what socialism is! Lol!
No, that is not socialism lol. In a socialist country, the industry itself will be collectively owned. Ford, GM etc have unions. Are they collectively owned or are they private enterprises? Many airlines have pilot unions. Are all airlines collectively owned? You know the answer. So how can you call it socialist, when they are some of the biggest capitalist ventures in the world, just because they have unions?
 

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No, that is not socialism lol. In a socialist country, the industry itself will be collectively owned. Ford, GM etc have unions. Are they collectively owned or are they private enterprises? Many airlines have pilot unions. Are all airlines collectively owned? You know the answer. So how can you call it socialist, when they are some of the biggest capitalist ventures in the world, just because they have unions?
So you're saying the government has no involvement in unions?
 

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And how would capitalism get by without the government training its workers, building its infrastructure, enforcing its contracts, protecting its IP, making the world safe for trade, etc? Capitalists just market government debt. Government can and has so,d its debt directly in the past. There literally used to be counters and offices where government so,d its bonds directly. They could create their own institution if needed. Bank of Canada does a great job creating and buying debt as well. It's not rocket science
In a country without social values I imagine everything would be private. Private healthcare, private education. A little further than the US, but not unlike. At the end of the day, someone has to pay the bills, and the interest on debt and face value at maturity.

So how would you fund a total socialist/communist country and how are they doing.
 

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who presently needs the votes more?
If the Federal Liberal Govt. are trying to address the housing shortage, it is about "votes". But if the Provincial Conservative Govt. does the same, then it is about "incentives". I see your getting older by the minute logic!!
 

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If the Federal Liberal Govt. are trying to address the housing shortage, it is about "votes". But if the Provincial Conservative Govt. does the same, then it is about "incentives". I see your getting older by the minute logic!!
it’s always about votes Beaver. Rare is the politician that will piss their base off. Do you know the GTA is the key to the throne and a liberal stronghold. Or are you confused?

And would also have to think you’re a little more confused because you didn’t read post 4. Of you read it, you posted right after. Or are you still trying for singles and batting 0.00

“Bit damn that presser and $$$$ is sure to buy a lot of votes.” Just how confused are you now Beaver
 

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it’s always about votes Beaver. Rare is the politician that will piss their base off. Do you know the GTA is the key to the throne and a liberal stronghold. Or are you confused?

And would also have to think you’re a little more confused because you didn’t read post 4. Of you read it, you posted right after. Or are you still trying for singles and batting 0.00

“Bit damn that presser and $$$$ is sure to buy a lot of votes.” Just how confused are you now Beaver
Post # 4 is once again a load of garbled nonsense!!

So, you are saying that this $114 million by Doug Ford to Toronto was all about "buying votes".
Then he is now trying to buy votes in Brampton as well:


But Polly-Liar who opposed these grants is now bawling his eyes out at Windsor for "Losing Millions":

 
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Post # 4 is once again a load of garbled nonsense!!

So, you are saying that this $114 million by Doug Ford to Toronto was all about "buying votes".
Then he is now trying to buy votes in Brampton as well:


But Polly-Liar who opposed these grants is now bawling his eyes out at Windsor for "Losing Millions":

Im saying you are
-spinning like a squirrel that doesn’t know left from right or right from left.
-following a herd of lemmings
-don’t know how to read
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-trying way way way too hard to find any tiny wee bone like other puppies in the yard, chasing squirrels to bark at to hopefully say to itself “gotcha” and the other puppies “I finally got it look at me”.

-trying way way way way too hard to find any wee thing like a bb to take a swing at. Especially when, you don’t know what you talking about and that silly puppy is A) barking up the wrong tree and B) taking on more than it can chew. .

And we all know why.
So keeps whiffing and striking out, like the other puppies looking for wee bones and chasing squirrels in the yard, snarling and barking at squirrels.

Sometimes so hard spinning all the way round and falling down, like confused little leaguers with a bee in its bonnet. Or squirrels and lemmings and puppies that don’t make it to safety.
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More likely that DOFO is taking a leaf out of the Trump playbook with respect to appointing political minded judges!!
 
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Following in JT's foot steps. DoFo as usual talks shits about his counterparts on camera yet not only kisses their asses in person but follows the same mindset as they do. He's a blue Liberal just like John Tory
JT didn't try to appoint judges who might rule in his own trials.
 
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