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Skoob

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Hey skoob.
I know you've never attended a university before, but do you know when the terms end?
Tell me this, are universities in class right now?
There are several terms and overlap, continuing education programs, etc etc. You're desperate again.
Care to distract further and fall on your face more?
 

boobtoucher

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Are your saying public service union employees are not earning whatever you think a "living wage" is right now and for the rest of their post-retirement cushy taxpayer-funded pensioned lives?
Pensions aren't taxpayer funded. They're funded from employee contributions. Yes, you can split hairs on the fact that the contributions come originally from taxpayer money, but once the cash is in the pension fund, there aren't' taxpayer contributions to top it up.
 
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Skoob

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Pensions aren't taxpayer funded. They're funded from employee contributions. Yes, you can split hairs on the fact that the contributions come originally from taxpayer money, but once the cash is in the pension fund, there aren't' taxpayer contributions to top it up.
It's not splitting hairs. The more taxpayer money they get (ie extort), the bigger their pensions become. Where do you think the "employer contribution" comes from?



For every dollar you contribute, your employer matches it. Each pay period, your contribution is automatically deducted. Contributions you and your employer make every month are invested in the Plan. For every pension dollar paid by TTCPP, approximately 16 cents comes from employee contributions.
https://ttcpp.ca/membership/#:~:tex... paid,cents comes from employee contributions.


...and it gets better...


How do contributions work?
As a Plan member, you contribute a percentage of your earnings each pay period to the Plan, and these contributions are matched by your employer—essentially doubling your contribution. The amount you contribute is based on a percentage of your earnings and are tax deductible. You pay no income tax on the matching portion that your employer contributes.
https://ttcpp.ca/membership/plan-features/


So no income tax paid either which is ironic and sad at the same time.
 

bver_hunter

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What does "proper salary" mean?
What about everything in addition to salary that they get?

Ontario pays teachers more than any other province and it's still never enough.

If teachers don't like their jobs and the compensation, then why do they stay in these jobs and not do something else?
Why are teachers unionized anyway?
The starting salary in Ontario is nowhere as high as other Provinces. It is only after 10 years that it was capped at around $103,000.
Those in other profession can exceed that in just a few years depending on the profession!!
They are finally getting compounded pay rises of 11% over years. Considering the inflation factors etc it is just a basic pay rise.
The private sectors that I'm associated with has been giving almost a 10% pay rise in just one year along with some healthy bonuses!!
Considering the number of years that teachers have spent in higher education, including the Universities why should they be left behind?

 

Frankfooter

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Are your saying public service union employees are not earning whatever you think a "living wage" is right now and for the rest of their post-retirement cushy taxpayer-funded pensioned lives?
Do you think people who work full time jobs should be paid living wages, skoob?
Do you think the 'minister of red tape reduction' is a good idea?


Do you think more cabinet ministers are less red tape?
 

Frankfooter

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There are several terms and overlap, continuing education programs, etc etc. You're desperate again.
Care to distract further and fall on your face more?
You really are clueless and can't answer the question.
Are university profs and TA's teaching during May and June, skoob?
 

Frankfooter

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It's not splitting hairs. The more taxpayer money they get (ie extort), the bigger their pensions become. Where do you think the "employer contribution" comes from?
Why are you against other people getting pensions, skoob?
Is your OAS not enough and you think its because other people get more?
 

roddermac

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If this helps to get rid of the over-paid LCBO union staff, and makes buying alcohol more convenient and pricing competitive (like in every other province) sign me up!

ps No one believes the Liberal/NDP doom/gloom lies as usual.
The union staff salaries have nothing to do with the price of alcohol in Ontario. The LBCO is a monopoly controlled by the government.
 

roddermac

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When unionized public employees go on strike, such as teachers, students are kept out of school until the strike is over. It affects their education and it affects parents.

What part of that is too difficult for you to understand?
DoFo's stupid lockdowns did more harm to students than any teacher strikes.
 
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Frankfooter

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The union staff salaries have nothing to do with the price of alcohol in Ontario. The LBCO is a monopoly controlled by the government.
Yup, the biggest purchaser of booze in the world which lets them get great pricing, pay decent wages and return billions to the government in revenue every year.

DoFo wants his wedding guest buddies to make that billions in profit instead.

 

Skoob

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The starting salary in Ontario is nowhere as high as other Provinces. It is only after 10 years that it was capped at around $103,000.
Those in other profession can exceed that in just a few years depending on the profession!!
They are finally getting compounded pay rises of 11% over years. Considering the inflation factors etc it is just a basic pay rise.
The private sectors that I'm associated with has been giving almost a 10% pay rise in just one year along with some healthy bonuses!!
Considering the number of years that teachers have spent in higher education, including the Universities why should they be left behind?

Sounds like teachers have it bad. Why do they stay in these jobs? I mean having to work 9 months per year and still make what they make must be awful right? And then (gasp!) retire and enjoy full pensions that we all paid for while they were "unhappy" in their careers.

No other province other than Ontario pays teachers double their salary after 10 years. Double.

Depending on the level of school, a teacher needs a bachelors degree plus 1 year of teachers college to become a teacher. Not exactly an astounding higher education investment to use as an argument.

You can't compare to the private sector. The private sector depends on the company succeeding in order to reward employees with things like bonuses. Apples/oranges.
 

Skoob

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You really are clueless and can't answer the question.
Are university profs and TA's teaching during May and June, skoob?
Of course they are. You think they stop working May 1st then take 4 months off and come back in September? You think they stop being paid their salaries on May 1st as well?
What are you? New?
 

Frankfooter

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Of course they are. You think they stop working May 1st then take 4 months off and come back in September? You think they stop being paid their salaries on May 1st as well?
What are you? New?
You've never been to university, clearly.
 
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