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[bver_hunter]

And you accept publications from the unions themselves as your source of unbiased truth? haha
Private industry unions can only succeed if the company succeeds. ie no company = no jobs = no union.
Not so much in the public sector right?


Are you too lazy to look up the enrollment stats yourself? Here let me help you...


Every province except Alberta (increase of 24.7 percent) recorded a decline in the absolute number of students enrolled in public schools.
Every province except Alberta (increase of 18 percent) experienced a decline in absolute enrolment in Anglophone public schools between 2000–01 and 2019–20. Every province except New Brunswick also experienced a decline in the share of enrolment in Anglophone public schools over this period.

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https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/where-our-students-are-educated-2022.pdf

Let us take the more recent times where the shortages of teachers are really impacting the education of the students. We did not have that issue in 2001 onwards!!

In 2015/2016 the student enrolment was at its lowest in Ontario. Since then it has been on the rise. The only exception was 2020/2021 when the Pandemic hit and there was a decline in the number of students being enrolled, as numerous families kept their children at home:

Number of students in regular programs for youth, public elementary and secondary schools, by grade and sex

Public school enrolments in regular programs for youth in elementary and secondary schools, by grade and sex.

www150.statcan.gc.ca

Hence the Teachers Union were absolutely spot on with their teacher shortages!! Otherwise, why is there currently an issue with it?

 

[Frankfooter]

Are teachers not taking part in the protests?
Are they not being paid while participating?

Looks like you are in denial and cornered once again.

Are they protesting during class hours, skoob?
Prove your claim.

You prefer this for the education?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795818380760629703

 

[Insidious Von]

Two men were shot to death in Premiere Ford's riding near my old neighbourhood.

The shootings took place near North Albion Collegiate. North Etobicoke is a troubled area prone to gun violence. There are three pockets of legit slums in the area, South Mount Olive is the second worst after the dangerous Martin Grove corridor from Finch to Albion. I don't believe that these areas have gotten any better. Pittsboro Dr used to be slum central.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/second-person-dead-etobicoke-shooting-1.7225695

 

[Skoob]

Let us take the more recent times where the shortages of teachers are really impacting the education of the students. We did not have that issue in 2001 onwards!!

In 2015/2016 the student enrolment was at its lowest in Ontario. Since then it has been on the rise. The only exception was 2020/2021 when the Pandemic hit and there was a decline in the number of students being enrolled, as numerous families kept their children at home:

Number of students in regular programs for youth, public elementary and secondary schools, by grade and sex

Public school enrolments in regular programs for youth in elementary and secondary schools, by grade and sex.

www150.statcan.gc.ca

Hence the Teachers Union were absolutely spot on with their teacher shortages.!!

The Teacher's unions want to increase their membership, their membership's pay, and their own bank accounts. You're being played.
Has there ever been a time that they didn't threaten strike action for more pay or increasing their memberships? No. It's the usual demands.


...when one considers the data, it seems that the “teacher shortage” is ultimately a myth and has more to do with the shortage of secure permanent teaching positions and the spread of temporary insecure work in our schools.
https://www.thespec.com/opinion/con...cle_f90fa879-9089-5ce9-8ae6-616264c1c7e5.html

 

[Skoob]

Let us take the more recent times where the shortages of teachers are really impacting the education of the students. We did not have that issue in 2001 onwards!!

In 2015/2016 the student enrolment was at its lowest in Ontario. Since then it has been on the rise. The only exception was 2020/2021 when the Pandemic hit and there was a decline in the number of students being enrolled, as numerous families kept their children at home:

Number of students in regular programs for youth, public elementary and secondary schools, by grade and sex

Public school enrolments in regular programs for youth in elementary and secondary schools, by grade and sex.

www150.statcan.gc.ca

Hence the Teachers Union were absolutely spot on with their teacher shortages!! Otherwise, why is there currently an issue with it?

Any particular reason why you responded with multiple identical posts?

 

[Skoob]

Are they protesting during class hours, skoob?
Prove your claim.

Every time I prove my claim you distract to something else and ignore it.
Not playing that game.

If you don't have enough brain cells to figure out that teachers "class hours" especially at a university level range from 8am-10pm and they aren't doing anything before or after that time which means whatever they are doing is during class time. ie spending time on supporting the protests by drafting articles, attending meetings, speaking with protesters, etc is not what they are paid to do. And then they complain of teacher shortages? hahahaha

Let's get rid of these coddled union hacks and get good teachers instead. Are you with me?

 

[Frankfooter]

Every time I prove my claim you distract to something else and ignore it.
Not playing that game.

If you don't have enough brain cells to figure out that teachers "class hours" especially at a university level range from 8am-10pm and they aren't doing anything before or after that time which means whatever they are doing is during class time. ie spending time on supporting the protests by drafting articles, attending meetings, speaking with protesters, etc is not what they are paid to do. And then they complain of teacher shortages? hahahaha

Let's get rid of these coddled union hacks and get good teachers instead. Are you with me?

You never prove anything, skoob.

This is a perfect example.
You made a claim and now you can't back it up.

 

[Skoob]

You never prove anything, skoob.

This is a perfect example.
You made a claim and now you can't back it up.

Good lord...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/lond...ian-encampment-in-consecutive-weeks-1.7198125

https://calgaryherald.com/news/loca...n-police-attack-protesters-university-calgary

https://prismreports.org/2024/06/03/faculty-join-students-palestine-divestment-protests/

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/artic...ity-palestine-encampment-students-professors/

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/...out-supporting-pro-palestinian-demonstrators/

 

[bver_hunter]

Any particular reason why you responded with multiple identical posts?

Yes, as I was trying to post quite a few times and it was not going through. Then I got a message that the website was temporarily down as they were working on it. At that point I left the website. The ones that I tried to post must have then gone through when they reopened the website. Deleted the multiple posts anyway!!

 

[bver_hunter]

The Teacher's unions want to increase their membership, their membership's pay, and their own bank accounts. You're being played.
Has there ever been a time that they didn't threaten strike action for more pay or increasing their memberships? No. It's the usual demands.


...when one considers the data, it seems that the “teacher shortage” is ultimately a myth and has more to do with the shortage of secure permanent teaching positions and the spread of temporary insecure work in our schools.
https://www.thespec.com/opinion/con...cle_f90fa879-9089-5ce9-8ae6-616264c1c7e5.html

The Teacher's unions want to increase their membership, their membership's pay, and their own bank accounts. You're being played.
Has there ever been a time that they didn't threaten strike action for more pay or increasing their memberships? No. It's the usual demands.


...when one considers the data, it seems that the “teacher shortage” is ultimately a myth and has more to do with the shortage of secure permanent teaching positions and the spread of temporary insecure work in our schools.
https://www.thespec.com/opinion/con...cle_f90fa879-9089-5ce9-8ae6-616264c1c7e5.html

Well if you agree with the article then one can see why teachers are leaving the profession. In that case:

Research shows that the percentage of teachers with temporary contracts has been increasing since at least the early 2000s. This transition to temporary contracts in education may explain why, according to the Ontario Teachers’ Federation, some school boards are experiencing shortages and there’s past research showing that there may be between 50,000 and 100,000 unemployed or underemployed certified teachers in Ontario. Social media posts from online teacher groups suggest that many of these teachers are unhappy working temporary contracts and are possibly looking for work outside of public education. Given this evidence, the term “teacher shortage” is misleading. A more accurate descriptor would be a shortage of “secure teacher contracts.”
If Ontario officials truly want to address the shortage of teaching staff in schools, they need to enact policies that expand the public education sector as a place not only for learning, but also as a place for secure jobs and growing public goods. The defunding of public education also problematizes the often-heard calls for equity, inclusion and decolonization within school boards and teachers’ union halls. Importantly, public education is a sector where many of the temporary workers are racialized and many are women. Without sufficient material supports to make public education more equitable, inclusive and decolonial in terms of job creation, labour conditions and job security, certain contradictions will arise.

So, do you think that teachers do not need to be considered as a respected profession that requires a proper salary and terms of employment? They should only have temporary jobs with just menial salaries, and are they going to last in such a profession?

 

[Frankfooter]

Good lord...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/lond...ian-encampment-in-consecutive-weeks-1.7198125

https://calgaryherald.com/news/loca...n-police-attack-protesters-university-calgary

https://prismreports.org/2024/06/03/faculty-join-students-palestine-divestment-protests/

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/artic...ity-palestine-encampment-students-professors/

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/...out-supporting-pro-palestinian-demonstrators/

Did you prove that teachers were being paid to protest?
nope

 

[Skoob]

Well if you agree with the article then one can see why teachers are leaving the profession. In that case:


So, do you think that teachers do not need to be considered as a respected profession that requires a proper salary and terms of employment? They should only have temporary jobs with just menial salaries, and are they going to last in such a profession?

What does "proper salary" mean?
What about everything in addition to salary that they get?

Ontario pays teachers more than any other province and it's still never enough.

If teachers don't like their jobs and the compensation, then why do they stay in these jobs and not do something else?
Why are teachers unionized anyway?

 

[Skoob]

Did you prove that teachers were being paid to protest?
nope

haha
You can see why I'm always reluctant to provide you proof. You just ignore it and then pivot to something else.
In this case, twisting what I said even though I've clarified it for you already.


But just because I know you have a poor attention span I'll clarify it again for you: Teachers protesting while being paid, not paid to protest.

You're looking foolish.

 

[Frankfooter]

What does "proper salary" mean?

This is what you really want, isn't it?

 

[Frankfooter]

haha
You can see why I'm always reluctant to provide you proof. You just ignore it and then pivot to something else.
In this case, twisting what I said even though I've clarified it for you already.


But just because I know you have a poor attention span I'll clarify it again for you: Teachers protesting while being paid, not paid to protest.

You're looking foolish.

So now you think teachers have no free time of their own?
You do understand that most contract teachers at universities are not on salary but paid for a specific number of hours of work per week?

Your logical failures are epic and hilarious.

You probably think this means smaller government too.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1798885329350386078

U of T backs the students, you are on your own again.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1798404967306244171

 

[Skoob]

This is what you really want, isn't it?

What does "proper salary" mean?

 

[Skoob]

So now you think teachers have no free time of their own?
You do understand that most contract teachers at universities are not on salary but paid for a specific number of hours of work per week?

Your logical failures are epic and hilarious.

You probably think this means smaller government too.

U of T backs the students, you are on your own again.

Do you think the teachers are doing this at 2am? hahaha you're out to lunch as usual

And just like I predicted, you brush off the proof I provided to shatter your narrative . I'll remind you of that the next time you cry about wanting proof.

 

[Frankfooter]

What does "proper salary" mean?

A living wage.

Why are you against paying people a living wage?

 

[Frankfooter]

Do you think the teachers are doing this at 2am? hahaha you're out to lunch as usual

And just like I predicted, you brush off the proof I provided to shatter your narrative . I'll remind you of that the next time you cry about wanting proof.

Hey skoob.
I know you've never attended a university before, but do you know when the terms end?
Tell me this, are universities in class right now?

 

[Skoob]

A living wage.

Why are you against paying people a living wage?

Are your saying public service union employees are not earning whatever you think a "living wage" is right now and for the rest of their post-retirement cushy taxpayer-funded pensioned lives?