DoFo government admits new licence plates 'absolutely' a problem, will need to be rec

[bver_hunter]

Just think if we didn’t have $1 billion per month in interest payments on the debt the Liberals created how we could invest in healthcare, education and transit.

$6 billion for a subway line would be a drop in the bucket.
Your rage is misplaced.

$6 billion is a "drop in the bucket"?? We were in a deep recession when the Provincial and Federal Governments went on a spending spree. Remember that the Federal Government was Conservative. But there is no problem in your mindset when the present POTUS is spending beyond belief and this Dumb DOFO Government is also doing so with this $6 billion project that has the following impacts not only to the economy but also the environment:

It’s clear why Metrolinx is sheepish. Each of these projects will be a wildly expensive piece of heavy infrastructure that can’t be justified, even by Metrolinx’s friendly accounting. But they will also have huge environmental impacts.

That’s because each line goes underground. Each involves kilometres’ worth of concrete tunnels, which are totally unnecessary.

Underground tunnelling “takes much longer, and it uses much more construction material, which has a massive environmental impact,” said Shoshanna Saxe, an assistant professor at the University of Toronto’s school of engineering. Prof. Saxe and two colleagues recently wrote a paper on the subject and found that underground rail generates 27 times more greenhouse gases than surface rail.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...t-plans-billions-in-waste-bad-for-the-planet/

 

[Boober69]

Well you still have to learn how to get around from contributing to such articles. LOL!!

You mean steal?

 

[Boober69]

$6 billion is a "drop in the bucket"?? We were in a deep recession when the Provincial and Federal Governments went on a spending spree. Remember that the Federal Government was Conservative. But there is no problem in your mindset when the present POTUS is spending beyond belief and this Dumb DOFO Government is also doing so with this $6 billion project that has the following impacts not only to the economy but also the environment:



https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...t-plans-billions-in-waste-bad-for-the-planet/

Really? Are you saying we were in a recession for 15 years under their rule? And the recession was in 2008...they were in power from 2003 until 2015. Debt increased every consecutive year they were in power.
Try again.

 

[bver_hunter]

You mean steal?

No it is not stealing. Just get bit savvy with it!!

 

[Boober69]

No it is not stealing. Just get bit savvy with it!!

You mean do something to get around their payment system so you don't have to pay to access their articles?
Is that not stealing?

 

[bver_hunter]

Really? Are you saying we were in a recession for 15 years under their rule? And the recession was in 2008...they were in power from 2003 until 2015. Debt increased every consecutive year they were in power.
Try again.

Do you think that they inherited a surplus when they took over in 2003??

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ontario-liberals-inherit-5-6-billion-deficit-1.374657

So once again it was okay for the Conservatives to leave them a deficit when the economy was thriving prior to 2003??

 

[Boober69]

Do you think that they inherited a surplus when they took over in 2003??

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ontario-liberals-inherit-5-6-billion-deficit-1.374657

So once again it was okay for the Conservatives to leave them a deficit when the economy was thriving prior to 2003??

In Ontario every government has inherited a deficit when coming into power since the 80's.
Difference is, if you didn't notice, or care to admit, the Liberals tripled it and then handed over a tripled debt to the PC's. They had 15 years to address the debt and did nothing other than triple it. Not 2 years like you're judging Ford on.

In 15 years they increased the debt more than the debt had accumulated since Canada became a country. We're not talking about modest increments like previous governments...TRIPLED.

So keep dancing around poor excuses for a party that has bankrupted this province.

 

[bver_hunter]

In Ontario every government has inherited a deficit when coming into power since the 80's.
Difference is, if you didn't notice, or care to admit, the Liberals tripled it and then handed over a tripled debt to the PC's. They had 15 years to address the debt and did nothing other than triple it. Not 2 years like you're judging Ford on.

In 15 years they increased the debt more than the debt had accumulated since Canada became a country. We're not talking about modest increments like previous governments...TRIPLED.

So keep dancing around poor excuses for a party that has bankrupted this province.

Where do you get the notion that this Province is "bankrupt"?? You come up with the usual right wing BS thanks to Dumb DOFO's nonsense. The debt was slightly over double what he inherited and not tripled as you have exaggerated the figure.

The debt to GDP ratio of around 40%, is not that dire as you seem to believe. Quebec as well as NFL have worse numbers. Also a large amount of that debt was incurred during the recession, and similar to the Federal Government under Harper..

Remember that Harper inherited a surplus and then created debts from then on. His excuse was the recession. The USA under Trump has an even worse debt to GDP ratio than Ontario's as well as Canada. Yet you worship that individual who keeps on ballooning it since he came to office!!

 

[Boober69]

Where do you get the notion that this Province is "bankrupt"?? You come up with the usual right wing BS thanks to Dumb DOFO's nonsense. The debt was slightly over double what he inherited and not tripled as you have exaggerated the figure.

The debt to GDP ratio of around 40%, is not that dire as you seem to believe. Quebec as well as NFL have worse numbers. Also a large amount of that debt was incurred during the recession, and similar to the Federal Government under Harper..

Remember that Harper inherited a surplus and then created debts from then on. His excuse was the recession. The USA under Trump has an even worse debt to GDP ratio than Ontario's as well as Canada. Yet you worship that individual who keeps on ballooning it since he came to office!!

The debt the Liberals inherited was $139 billion...by the time people came to their senses and kicked their asses out, the debt was $338 billion. You conveniently glossed over the fact that in 15 years, they added more debt than was accumulated in Canada's first 130+ years up until Liberals took over in 2003.

As a result, $1 billion per month goes to interest payments on that debt. That's $1 billion that's not going into things like healthcare, education and social services, directly as a result of reckless Liberal spending and boondoggles such as eHealth and cancelled gas plants to name a few.

All that, and you still criticize Ford for not fixing the financial mess in barely 2 years and focus on license plates rather than the crippling debt we have been given by the Liberals?
Jeezus you are blind.

PS stop stealing you crook!

 

[Frankfooter]

All that, and you still criticize Ford for not fixing the financial mess in barely 2 years and focus on license plates rather than the crippling debt we have been given by the Liberals?
Jeezus you are blind.

PS stop stealing you crook!

Druggie should be criticized for making the situation much worse.
Bigger deficit and stupid cuts.
Its as wasteful as his license plates and Scarborough subway station.

 

[bver_hunter]

The debt the Liberals inherited was $139 billion...by the time people came to their senses and kicked their asses out, the debt was $338 billion. You conveniently glossed over the fact that in 15 years, they added more debt than was accumulated in Canada's first 130+ years up until Liberals took over in 2003.

As a result, $1 billion per month goes to interest payments on that debt. That's $1 billion that's not going into things like healthcare, education and social services, directly as a result of reckless Liberal spending and boondoggles such as eHealth and cancelled gas plants to name a few.

All that, and you still criticize Ford for not fixing the financial mess in barely 2 years and focus on license plates rather than the crippling debt we have been given by the Liberals?
Jeezus you are blind.

PS stop stealing you crook!

Again, there was a damn recession and you must have been okay with the Harper Federal Government adding over $200 billion to the debt. You Trump God has added a trillion dollars in barely a year, especially where there was no recession but a growing economy. The USA's credit rating is worse than Ontario's. So again you have not answered the question. How on earth is Ontario "bankrupt" like you claimed they were. Still waiting to hear your response to that question. Of course you will not respond to it when you make up FAKE ALLEGATIONS on a constant basis!!

Remember that Ontario Governments over the years spent over $102 billion to buy the properties and build the infrastructure and highway for the 407 ETR. Guess what, the wasteful Mike Harris Conservatives leased it for 99 years at just $3.1 Billion. That is the biggest waste of taxpayers money as by now the revenue that would have come into the Ontario Govt's coffers could have gone a long way in addressing that deficit.

The deal included a 99-year lease agreement with unlimited control over the highway and its tolls, dependent on traffic volume; however, the government maintains the right to build a transport system within the highway right-of-way.[16] It is today described as a "value generating monster" and "cash cow" for SNC-Lavalin, and one of the "worst financial missteps" from any government in Ontario's history.

You are proven to be that "Crook"!!

 

[Boober69]

Again, there was a damn recession and you must have been okay with the Harper Federal Government adding over $200 billion to the debt. You Trump God has added a trillion dollars in barely a year, especially where there was no recession but a growing economy. The USA's credit rating is worse than Ontario's. So again you have not answered the question. How on earth is Ontario "bankrupt" like you claimed they were. Still waiting to hear your response to that question. Of course you will not respond to it when you make up FAKE ALLEGATIONS on a constant basis!!

Remember that Ontario Governments over the years spent over $102 billion to buy the properties and build the infrastructure and highway for the 407 ETR. Guess what, the wasteful Mike Harris Conservatives leased it for 99 years at just $3.1 Billion. That is the biggest waste of taxpayers money as by now the revenue that would have come into the Ontario Govt's coffers could have gone a long way in addressing that deficit.



You are proven to be that "Crook"!!

Says the guy who thinks stealing is ok just because he gets away with it.

Ontario is bankrupt because our credit rating is terrible and we are spending $1 billion per month on interest payments. Why are you comparing the US credit rating to Ontario? One is a country and one is a province. Apples/oranges.

By the same standard Canada was in a recession when Harper was PM yet you don't excuse that deficit growth? Harper didn't increase the deficit by almost 3 times like in Ontario. Trudeau has increased it since taking over as well, but in Ontario you expect Ford to magically reduce it after 2 years?

So somehow you have convinced yourself that 15 years of fiscal mismanagement was all about investments and the recession? Not quite. How about the countless boondoggles and bribes to unions and borrowing more than taking in? Nothing to do with it?

You can try and squirm out of this any way you want but no one has come close in Canada to increasing the debt like the Liberals have. They set a world record with that debt and that is a fact you continually ignore.

And stop stealing.

 

[Boober69]

Druggie should be criticized for making the situation much worse.
Bigger deficit and stupid cuts.
Its as wasteful as his license plates and Scarborough subway station.

It would be much worse if the Liberals continued to be in power. They have a 15 year track record as proof of that. Hell, they even set a record with almost tripling the debt. Ford is nowhere close to that.
Just look at Trudeau, deficit just keeps getting bigger and he's on his 5th year in power. Still waiting for the budget "to balance itself" btw. Yeah right.

 

[Frankfooter]

It would be much worse if the Liberals continued to be in power. .

It is worse with Druggie in power.
End of story.

 

[bver_hunter]

Says the guy who thinks stealing is ok just because he gets away with it.

Ontario is bankrupt because our credit rating is terrible and we are spending $1 billion per month on interest payments. Why are you comparing the US credit rating to Ontario? One is a country and one is a province. Apples/oranges.

By the same standard Canada was in a recession when Harper was PM yet you don't excuse that deficit growth? Harper didn't increase the deficit by almost 3 times like in Ontario. Trudeau has increased it since taking over as well, but in Ontario you expect Ford to magically reduce it after 2 years?

So somehow you have convinced yourself that 15 years of fiscal mismanagement was all about investments and the recession? Not quite. How about the countless boondoggles and bribes to unions and borrowing more than taking in? Nothing to do with it?

You can try and squirm out of this any way you want but no one has come close in Canada to increasing the debt like the Liberals have. They set a world record with that debt and that is a fact you continually ignore.

And stop stealing.

There you come up with fake allegations about Ontario. Ontario's Credit rating was AA3, but reduced to AA2 under Dumb DOFO!!

This means still a very high rating and "NOT BANKRUPT"!!

One day you will start posting facts, rather than your usual scaremongering!!

Mulroney increased the Federal Debt from $157 billion to $487 Billion. None of you right wingers would have batted an eyelid for what he did, just because he is a right winger.

Under Chretien and Martin they actually decreased the debt, and then Harper added a further $150 Billion debt. But yet you will always blame the "Liberals". Anyway, the Province is not bankrupt and DumB DOFO is increasing the debt with stupidity on his politically motivated spending spree and nothing else. Yes he probably is stealing from you. LOL!!

 

[Boober69]

There you come up with fake allegations about Ontario. Ontario's Credit rating was AA3, but reduced to AA2 under Dumb DOFO!!

This means still a very high rating and "NOT BANKRUPT"!!

One day you will start posting facts, rather than your usual scaremongering!!

Mulroney increased the Federal Debt from $157 billion to $487 Billion. None of you right wingers would have batted an eyelid for what he did, just because he is a right winger.

Under Chretien and Martin they actually decreased the debt, and then Harper added a further $150 Billion debt. But yet you will always blame the "Liberals". Anyway, the Province is not bankrupt and DumB DOFO is increasing the debt with stupidity on his politically motivated spending spree and nothing else. Yes he probably is stealing from you. LOL!!

None of us right wingers batted an eye at Mulroney because guess what? The money added to the deficit was to service the debt left over by the previous Liberal government:

Mulroney inherited a situation that most economists judged unsustainable. The federal government was spending substantially more than it was taking in from tax and other revenues, relying more and more on bor- rowing to finance its program spending and adding steadily to the national debt. Mulroney succeeded in restoring balance to the government’s operating budget through a combination of reduced program spending to levels approximating the government’s revenues and new taxes, but continued to rely on borrowing to finance the national debt. Over the course of their nine years in office, Mulroney and his colleagues added $300 billion to the national debt, all of it spent on servicing the debt inherited from the Liberals.
https://policyoptions.irpp.org/fr/magazines/the-best-pms-in-the-past-50-years/six-stewards-of-canadas-economy-history-by-the-numbers-favours-mulroney-and-chretien-while-trudeau-leaves-a-legacy-of-deficits-and-debt/

Ontario's credit rating dropped in Dec 2018. Ford came into power in July 2018. Do you think his 6 month tenure contributed to that? Or maybe the previous 15 years of Liberal reckless spending?

Now that we sorted that out, let's get back to your stealing of publications and explain to us when you decided that criminal activities such as this were appealing to you?

You always blame Ford for alleged criminal activity 30+ years ago, but here you are stealing online publications? Mr. Kettle...explain yourself please.

 

[bver_hunter]

None of us right wingers batted an eye at Mulroney because guess what? The money added to the deficit was to service the debt left over by the previous Liberal government:

Mulroney inherited a situation that most economists judged unsustainable. The federal government was spending substantially more than it was taking in from tax and other revenues, relying more and more on bor- rowing to finance its program spending and adding steadily to the national debt. Mulroney succeeded in restoring balance to the government’s operating budget through a combination of reduced program spending to levels approximating the government’s revenues and new taxes, but continued to rely on borrowing to finance the national debt. Over the course of their nine years in office, Mulroney and his colleagues added $300 billion to the national debt, all of it spent on servicing the debt inherited from the Liberals.
https://policyoptions.irpp.org/fr/magazines/the-best-pms-in-the-past-50-years/six-stewards-of-canadas-economy-history-by-the-numbers-favours-mulroney-and-chretien-while-trudeau-leaves-a-legacy-of-deficits-and-debt/

Ontario's credit rating dropped in Dec 2018. Ford came into power in July 2018. Do you think his 6 month tenure contributed to that? Or maybe the previous 15 years of Liberal reckless spending?

Now that we sorted that out, let's get back to your stealing of publications and explain to us when you decided that criminal activities such as this were appealing to you?

You always blame Ford for alleged criminal activity 30+ years ago, but here you are stealing online publications? Mr. Kettle...explain yourself please.

Total BS from a right wing site's nonsense that you buy. Especially when taking the debt from $187 billion to $487 billion in 10 years, and then you complain about a Provincial Liberal Government increasing the debt by a smaller percentage and over 15 years. But what mess did Mulroney have to fix?? In fact Mulroney was so unpopular that he stepped down and handed the office to Kim Campbell. Then in the following elections the Conservatives were decimated at the polls losing even more pathetically than Kathleen Wynne's Liberals did. While Chretien over ten years of his tenure just increased the debt from $487 to $496 and cleared up the mess left by the Mulroney Government with the best economy in modern times.

You are the only one defending Mulroney's record. LOL!!

Ford takes responsibility for the credit rating. You just keep on defending this creep ex street hash dealer of an individual. His further waste when cancelling Green projects already in the works, and the $6 billion Scarborough project, along with the Cancellation of the Cap and Trade that companies already contributed to, is in part that ballooned the deficit. That is why we were on hook for the Carbon Tax that the Federal Government then had to implement on us. Spending on pathetic stuff like these number plates just for political reasons and wishy washy stuff like withdrawing funds for the needy autistic and other handicapped individuals is something that you were celebrating. Sad!!

Anyway you still cannot explain how or where you got the notion that ONTARIO IS BANKRUPT. STILL WAITING FOR YOUR PROOF!!

 

[Frankfooter]

None of us right wingers batted an eye at Mulroney because guess what? The money added to the deficit was to service the debt left over by the previous Liberal government:
.

Hmmm, so when Mulroney added to the deficit it was great.
When Wynne did it was a disaster.
When Ford does its great.

Detect a pattern.

 

[Boober69]

Total BS from a right wing site's nonsense that you buy. Especially when taking the debt from $187 billion to $487 billion in 10 years, and then you complain about a Provincial Liberal Government increasing the debt by a smaller percentage and over 15 years. But what mess did Mulroney have to fix?? In fact Mulroney was so unpopular that he stepped down and handed the office to Kim Campbell. Then in the following elections the Conservatives were decimated at the polls losing even more pathetically than Kathleen Wynne's Liberals did. While Chretien over ten years of his tenure just increased the debt from $487 to $496 and cleared up the mess left by the Mulroney Government with the best economy in modern times.

You are the only one defending Mulroney's record. LOL!!

Ford takes responsibility for the credit rating. You just keep on defending this creep ex street hash dealer of an individual. His further waste when cancelling Green projects already in the works, and the $6 billion Scarborough project, along with the Cancellation of the Cap and Trade that companies already contributed to, is in part that ballooned the deficit. That is why we were on hook for the Carbon Tax that the Federal Government then had to implement on us. Spending on pathetic stuff like these number plates just for political reasons and wishy washy stuff like withdrawing funds for the needy autistic and other handicapped individuals is something that you were celebrating. Sad!!

Anyway you still cannot explain how or where you got the notion that ONTARIO IS BANKRUPT. STILL WAITING FOR YOUR PROOF!!

So here's a deal, you explain why you blame Ford for criminal activity 30+ years ago but you yourself have admitted to being a thief, and I'll explain why I believe Ontario is bankrupt.

 

[bver_hunter]

So here's a deal, you explain why you blame Ford for criminal activity 30+ years ago but you yourself have admitted to being a thief, and I'll explain why I believe Ontario is bankrupt.

I have admitted to being a thief?? Your accusations galore knows no bounds just to protect your idol called Dumb DOFO.

But good attempt to deflect from the question. So you cannot prove that Ontario is Bankrupt. So Fake News Boober69 cannot be taken seriously at all, even for a microsecond. Period and am done with you!!