Just curious, they rake in lots of cash but do they pay taxes on all the income they make from Service Providing?
Do SPs pay taxes?
- Thread starter Pete Graves
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I would hazard to guess that some declare very little.drlove said:
Most declare nothing.
And absolutely none pay what they should be paying.
james t kirk said:
SAY IT AINT SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dishonesty amongst the fair ladies????????????????
Is this a serious question?
You can't live in this country and not pay taxes every time you buy anything, live anywhere, or spend money in any capacity. If an SP advertises, she pays tax on the advertising fees. If she has an internet connection, cable TV, or a phone...more taxes. Does she wear clothes? If she bought any of them she paid taxes. The condoms she keeps around (you never know when you might need one) are taxed at purchase.
What you probably wanted to know is whether SPs pay Income Taxes. If you think about that for a second, you'll realise that you're unlikely to get a meaningful answer on this Board to that question.
Legally, anyone earning money in this country is required to file a tax return and claim all of their income; this is just as true for self-employed people earning cash as it is for a "working stiff" on a regular salary. If your income exceeds your personal exemption and legitimate deductions, you are required to pay Federal and Provincial income taxes.
Of course, when you earn money in a documented and official capacity, it is hard to hide this fact from the government. When you are self-employed and paid in cash, it is often possible to keep some (or all) of your earnings hidden. Thus, someone (like an SP, dancer, waitress, drug dealer, professional killer, or porn fluffer) who is paid in cash without receipts or paperwork has the potential to get away with tax evasion much more easily than those who are paid in a documented fashion.
That said, I would guess that each SP makes her own decision as to how she will handle her tax obligations. I wouldn't be surprised if some actually delclare their earning, write off their expenses, and pay what's owing. There are probably some who don't necessarily declare everything they've made; but I'd be shocked if any of them admitted this on a public forum.
I don't see what the benefit there can be for you in asking this question since you are not likely to get anyone admiting to a criminal offence. Why does it matter, anyway?
If you're really asking a serious question, the answer is that, of course, they do.Pete Graves said:
You can't live in this country and not pay taxes every time you buy anything, live anywhere, or spend money in any capacity. If an SP advertises, she pays tax on the advertising fees. If she has an internet connection, cable TV, or a phone...more taxes. Does she wear clothes? If she bought any of them she paid taxes. The condoms she keeps around (you never know when you might need one) are taxed at purchase.
What you probably wanted to know is whether SPs pay Income Taxes. If you think about that for a second, you'll realise that you're unlikely to get a meaningful answer on this Board to that question.
Legally, anyone earning money in this country is required to file a tax return and claim all of their income; this is just as true for self-employed people earning cash as it is for a "working stiff" on a regular salary. If your income exceeds your personal exemption and legitimate deductions, you are required to pay Federal and Provincial income taxes.
Of course, when you earn money in a documented and official capacity, it is hard to hide this fact from the government. When you are self-employed and paid in cash, it is often possible to keep some (or all) of your earnings hidden. Thus, someone (like an SP, dancer, waitress, drug dealer, professional killer, or porn fluffer) who is paid in cash without receipts or paperwork has the potential to get away with tax evasion much more easily than those who are paid in a documented fashion.
That said, I would guess that each SP makes her own decision as to how she will handle her tax obligations. I wouldn't be surprised if some actually delclare their earning, write off their expenses, and pay what's owing. There are probably some who don't necessarily declare everything they've made; but I'd be shocked if any of them admitted this on a public forum.
I don't see what the benefit there can be for you in asking this question since you are not likely to get anyone admiting to a criminal offence. Why does it matter, anyway?
Thanks for the info. I thought as much and it really rankled me to see SPs telling other people they needed to pay more taxes. This from people who have chosen the easiest profession and who don't pay their fair share.
Really...
SPs have to put up with a lot of BS on a daily basis and, lets face it, it's not always easy pretending to be attracted to everyone you meet. It's easy for a client to get enthusiastic about a session with a beautiful and sensual woman; it can be harder for the woman since most of us (clients) are not necessarily model material.
I can think of many professions that are a lot easier than being an SP.
Please remember, as well, you have no evidence that any of them are not paying their fair share. The idle speculations of TERB members don't count as evidence. In addition, while it is likely that some SPs may be a little creative in their taxes, this would in no way separate them from the rest of the population. Many non-SPs are known to engage in creative accounting as well from time to time...some are CEOs of multi-national corporations and others are (more) average citizens.
I don't think that this is a fair statement.Pete Graves said:
SPs have to put up with a lot of BS on a daily basis and, lets face it, it's not always easy pretending to be attracted to everyone you meet. It's easy for a client to get enthusiastic about a session with a beautiful and sensual woman; it can be harder for the woman since most of us (clients) are not necessarily model material.
I can think of many professions that are a lot easier than being an SP.
Please remember, as well, you have no evidence that any of them are not paying their fair share. The idle speculations of TERB members don't count as evidence. In addition, while it is likely that some SPs may be a little creative in their taxes, this would in no way separate them from the rest of the population. Many non-SPs are known to engage in creative accounting as well from time to time...some are CEOs of multi-national corporations and others are (more) average citizens.
Does everyone in this Country pay taxes???
What a loaded question?
Do some escorts pay income tax? Yes
Do some escorts not pay income tax? Yes
Does it matter? Maybe
Do some self-employed people pay income taxes? Yes
Do some self-employed people not pay income tax? Yes
Does it matter? Maybe
Do some drug dealers pay income tax? Yes Believe it or not
Do some drug dealers not pay income tax? Yes
Does it matter? Maybe
Should I go on answering and posting questions about every legal and illegal job out there? No
There are many fields where people pay and people don't pay taxes.
I will pose one question to you all if you don't mind just one more.
Do you think more women in this industry would pay income tax if they got the same benefits as "mainstream" employees?
For example if we could an apply for a mortgage stating our profession as an escort. If we could apply for extended health coverage, stating our profession as an escort? If we could apply for life insurance? Do you get it? We can't do this. I know many who have actually tried to apply for life insurance using their profession and being denied based on their profession. Can you imagine a woman just simply applied for a credit card or simple bank account based on profession. Do you think we could get cash advances until our next pay??? LOL
That is just one example of one field we are not able to full participate in while other employees in other professions are. I can go on with many others.
Do you know that most escorts who do actually try to pay their yearly income tax, have to set up some bogus business to pay their taxes through. Such as some sort of consulting, or other business that does not have to produce some sort of finished product. Is that right? No, of course it isn't.
I take some offense to this thread personally. I will admit that. I don't see why anyone should be asking if we pay our taxes. While I understand and accept that everyone is entitled to their opinion, I would suggest actually putting yourself in the shoes of the people you are asking about.
Happy Hooker
What a loaded question?
Do some escorts pay income tax? Yes
Do some escorts not pay income tax? Yes
Does it matter? Maybe
Do some self-employed people pay income taxes? Yes
Do some self-employed people not pay income tax? Yes
Does it matter? Maybe
Do some drug dealers pay income tax? Yes Believe it or not
Do some drug dealers not pay income tax? Yes
Does it matter? Maybe
Should I go on answering and posting questions about every legal and illegal job out there? No
There are many fields where people pay and people don't pay taxes.
I will pose one question to you all if you don't mind just one more.
Do you think more women in this industry would pay income tax if they got the same benefits as "mainstream" employees?
For example if we could an apply for a mortgage stating our profession as an escort. If we could apply for extended health coverage, stating our profession as an escort? If we could apply for life insurance? Do you get it? We can't do this. I know many who have actually tried to apply for life insurance using their profession and being denied based on their profession. Can you imagine a woman just simply applied for a credit card or simple bank account based on profession. Do you think we could get cash advances until our next pay??? LOL
That is just one example of one field we are not able to full participate in while other employees in other professions are. I can go on with many others.
Do you know that most escorts who do actually try to pay their yearly income tax, have to set up some bogus business to pay their taxes through. Such as some sort of consulting, or other business that does not have to produce some sort of finished product. Is that right? No, of course it isn't.
I take some offense to this thread personally. I will admit that. I don't see why anyone should be asking if we pay our taxes. While I understand and accept that everyone is entitled to their opinion, I would suggest actually putting yourself in the shoes of the people you are asking about.
Happy Hooker
disgruntled much?
Excellent response, but I think the original question,"Do SPs pay taxes?" was merely rhetorical, likely stemming from some kind of passive aggressive personality disorder.HappyHookers said:
Good Points HH
Excellent points HH. The fact is that Escorts do face different conditions in their work than many other people and, as a result, they have to find the best way to deal with the restrictions that Society and administration place upon them.
However, the limitations you mention are not exclusive to SPs.
You point out that you face challenges in obtaining a life or health insurance policy and this is a valid point. No doubt, some of this issue is the result of discrimination and miscoceptions about your profession and these are regretable and wrong. However, there are other factors as well. Like it or not, SPs do take health risks that most people do not. You come into intimate contact with far more people than average and, despite the best efforts at protection that most (but not all) take, the risk when being with dozens (or more) of partners in one month is greater than it would be for the general population. Any insurer is justified into taking this fact into account just as other people in more dangerous professions (professional athlete, construction worker, stunt artist, race-car driver) have to pay a premium or have difficulties getting insurance.
As for getting a loan, any self-employed or small business owner has the same difficulty. It took me several years of consistent and well-documented revenue before banks would accept me as a reasonable risk for a mortgage or large loan. Actually, paying taxes regularly and declaring a substantial income is actually a help in securing credit.
As for difficulties in filing your taxes, I don't know that you have it that hard. You are, after all, a Service Provider. I am too, though my service is different. It's not hard to establish a registered or incorporated company under which to operate. In fact, operating as a corporation provides significant benefits when filing your taxes and claiming business deductions. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to claim your reasonable expenses just like everyone else!
But please don't feel that I'm disrespecting your work or your chosen professional field. In addition to these factors, I do agree that many in your line of work are regarded unfairly because of the (completely legal) way you have chosen to earn your living. Some posts in this thread are clear evidence that small minded people still exist.
Excellent points HH. The fact is that Escorts do face different conditions in their work than many other people and, as a result, they have to find the best way to deal with the restrictions that Society and administration place upon them.
However, the limitations you mention are not exclusive to SPs.
You point out that you face challenges in obtaining a life or health insurance policy and this is a valid point. No doubt, some of this issue is the result of discrimination and miscoceptions about your profession and these are regretable and wrong. However, there are other factors as well. Like it or not, SPs do take health risks that most people do not. You come into intimate contact with far more people than average and, despite the best efforts at protection that most (but not all) take, the risk when being with dozens (or more) of partners in one month is greater than it would be for the general population. Any insurer is justified into taking this fact into account just as other people in more dangerous professions (professional athlete, construction worker, stunt artist, race-car driver) have to pay a premium or have difficulties getting insurance.
As for getting a loan, any self-employed or small business owner has the same difficulty. It took me several years of consistent and well-documented revenue before banks would accept me as a reasonable risk for a mortgage or large loan. Actually, paying taxes regularly and declaring a substantial income is actually a help in securing credit.
As for difficulties in filing your taxes, I don't know that you have it that hard. You are, after all, a Service Provider. I am too, though my service is different. It's not hard to establish a registered or incorporated company under which to operate. In fact, operating as a corporation provides significant benefits when filing your taxes and claiming business deductions. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to claim your reasonable expenses just like everyone else!
But please don't feel that I'm disrespecting your work or your chosen professional field. In addition to these factors, I do agree that many in your line of work are regarded unfairly because of the (completely legal) way you have chosen to earn your living. Some posts in this thread are clear evidence that small minded people still exist.
It was this comment that I took offense to. Sorry I should have clarrified.Pete Graves said:
A Happy Hooker, who BTW does pay her income taxes.
Since it's so easy, when can we expect you to start advertising your services?Pete Graves said:
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It makes sense to me that since they could possibly have adverse health effects from this profession, that they could be a burden on the health care system which is funded through our taxes. I don't see any reason why they should not be contributing if they are not already doing so. Health care in Canada is not free, it's prepaid.
As someone who DOES pay their taxes, I find this statement to be rude and ignorant. Just another generalization that society seems to have about escort. It is so easy for SP to file. For those who don't, they are asking to be audited later on down the road.james t kirk said:
Sure, some hide under a rock from CCRA but I do know for a fact that many well established ladies do file. Once again, we're piled into the same category as the 'crackhead's or women who blow their money on frivilous items. You be shocked to see what many ladies, myself included, possess in terms of assets, savings, etc. The astute one know how to make money and use it to their advantage during and after their time as an SP.
The standard of living has gone up these days and it's pretty difficult to claim very little especially if one has many assets such as home, car, money in the bank, etc. You file and they leave you alone. For someone to not claim their income taxes is inconceivable to me. What is the point of being SP if you cannot have the things that one desire or having it all taken away because of tax evasion? It not worth it. Most ladies come into this business because they want to make money or it is more or less a vehicle to get to Plan B in the next stage of their live.
You think this job is easy Mr Graves? To give bj to someone who stink or put up with someone harassing you on phone, in person, for unsafe activites, hang ups, violence, ????? You think our job is too easy and we make lots of money??? I think the $200 plus an hour pay is warranted for bs we put up with. It a choice that we make to be in this business but bottom line is that it not easy.
Maybe you should get a grip and personally get to know some SP before making these kinds of statement.
Canadian Revenue Agency, your local tax office
It seems that every year there is this cry from the wilderness that everyone isn't paying their fair share. I hear this no matter where I go this time of the year.
FACT: SP's who do pay income tax are subject to the same taxation levels as everyone else in their income bracket.
FACT: SP's who do not pay income tax are subject to the same laws as anyone else who evades income tax. They have rights that are guarenteed by the INCOME TAX ACT.
FACT: There are a lot more "honest" people than dishonest ones, Its just the dishonest ones that make the news
FACT: SP's can get mortgages, health insurance and everything else a "self-employed person" is entitled too. They just have to meet the requirements the same as anyone else.
FACT: SP's are not special people, they are normal and have lives outside of their profession. Would you ask a Doctor or a Dentist if they pay income tax, would you ask the mechanic down the street the same question. I think not.
just my opinion.
It seems that every year there is this cry from the wilderness that everyone isn't paying their fair share. I hear this no matter where I go this time of the year.
FACT: SP's who do pay income tax are subject to the same taxation levels as everyone else in their income bracket.
FACT: SP's who do not pay income tax are subject to the same laws as anyone else who evades income tax. They have rights that are guarenteed by the INCOME TAX ACT.
FACT: There are a lot more "honest" people than dishonest ones, Its just the dishonest ones that make the news
FACT: SP's can get mortgages, health insurance and everything else a "self-employed person" is entitled too. They just have to meet the requirements the same as anyone else.
FACT: SP's are not special people, they are normal and have lives outside of their profession. Would you ask a Doctor or a Dentist if they pay income tax, would you ask the mechanic down the street the same question. I think not.
just my opinion.
How hard is it to fill out a T1 general and pay you taxes? It's not hard. It doesn't ask you to state your profession either, it just asks you about "business income". If you don't pay your taxes you are a leech sucking blood from the rest of us who do, who pay for your school, who pay for your medical care, who pay for all the other things you get for living in Canada.
Escorts make a fair coin and deserve every cent they earn too, but that doesn't justify tax leeching. I just don't buy this "can't file" crap. I didn't get life insurance or a loan or any cash advances when I ran a small business either, deal with it.
Escorts make a fair coin and deserve every cent they earn too, but that doesn't justify tax leeching. I just don't buy this "can't file" crap. I didn't get life insurance or a loan or any cash advances when I ran a small business either, deal with it.
Wow, look at some of the responses. I was going to address some of the negative comments like
individually with some long winded reply about how they are wrong, but instead I think I will thank you. With such negative comments that are clearly generalizations, you have actually helped me in proving my point. This is suppose to be a community of understanding and accepting of the actual profession of escorting yet there is very little support here. Have any of you gone into an insurance company and applied for life insurance and honestly stated your profession as an escort?????? I think not, because if you have you would clearly understand the message I was trying to convey in my first post.
In order for escorts to fully and honestly pay their taxes yearly, they have to clearly and honestly state their profession as an escort and live “out of the closet” so to speak. With such negative comments and generalizations within our own community, It is completely understandable in my opinion why women in this profession do not come out to mainstream society. I never said in my earlier posts that we can not obtain life insurance, credit cards or mortgages. I was trying to show how difficult it is, and not just because it is a self-employed profession, but because people do not want to deal with us. A woman working in the bank by day and a soccer mom at night is not going to approve a credit card, or loan from a woman working in this profession, and if you don’t think it happens then you are completely naive. We are discriminated against because of our profession, and in my opinion if mainstream society was more accepting of our chosen career, and we were given the same rights and privileges as everyone else, I believe more woman would pay their income tax.
Now I know many are going to come out of the lurker woods and make comments to this, but remember we can’t even get the same respect and support within our community as "regular" working women, how are we suppose to get in mainstream society.
Just some food for thought.
A Happy Hooker, hoping her community will one day come together.
Andbackflush said:
fuji said:
individually with some long winded reply about how they are wrong, but instead I think I will thank you. With such negative comments that are clearly generalizations, you have actually helped me in proving my point. This is suppose to be a community of understanding and accepting of the actual profession of escorting yet there is very little support here. Have any of you gone into an insurance company and applied for life insurance and honestly stated your profession as an escort?????? I think not, because if you have you would clearly understand the message I was trying to convey in my first post.
In order for escorts to fully and honestly pay their taxes yearly, they have to clearly and honestly state their profession as an escort and live “out of the closet” so to speak. With such negative comments and generalizations within our own community, It is completely understandable in my opinion why women in this profession do not come out to mainstream society. I never said in my earlier posts that we can not obtain life insurance, credit cards or mortgages. I was trying to show how difficult it is, and not just because it is a self-employed profession, but because people do not want to deal with us. A woman working in the bank by day and a soccer mom at night is not going to approve a credit card, or loan from a woman working in this profession, and if you don’t think it happens then you are completely naive. We are discriminated against because of our profession, and in my opinion if mainstream society was more accepting of our chosen career, and we were given the same rights and privileges as everyone else, I believe more woman would pay their income tax.
Now I know many are going to come out of the lurker woods and make comments to this, but remember we can’t even get the same respect and support within our community as "regular" working women, how are we suppose to get in mainstream society.
Just some food for thought.
A Happy Hooker, hoping her community will one day come together.
