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Do SP's ever price discriminate?

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"Price discrimination is a pricing strategy that charges customers different prices for the same product or service. In pure price discrimination, the seller charges each customer the maximum price that he is willing to pay."

I would beg to differ on this, we don't sell Persian carpets in a souk. The service provided isn't exactly the same for every client, that is impossible to do given the human element of sex work. The man who is a more challenging client is more work for a provider. Perhaps it's more in the physical realm (leaves her with a UTI or bruised nipples etc.) or there is more emotional management required because he is a misogynist or condescending. Maybe it's emotionally exhausting to be with him, even if he is harmless physically.
Perhaps he pushes other boundaries like over staying or arriving late which means she has to juggle her days schedule, causing loss of income. Or he constantly digs for personal information inappropriately so we have to watch every word we say and hope we didn't leave a prescription under the sink. Maybe he spits in the mouthwash bottle, pisses all over the bathroom or intentionally leaves skid marks on the towels when we point out the time is up. These are not the same services that are being rendered to clients who don't expect us to expend above/beyond physical, emotional or psychological labour. The inclusive labour we provide can't be quantified so I challenge this being used in regards to the sex trade. We offer a customized service, therefore those who wish to ignore our boundaries, business policies and procedures should be prepared to pay for that impropriety...

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"Price discrimination is a pricing strategy that charges customers different prices for the same product or service. In pure price discrimination, the seller charges each customer the maximum price that he is willing to pay."

I would beg to differ on this, we don't sell Persian carpets in a souk. The service provided isn't exactly the same for every client, that is impossible to do given the human element of sex work. The man who is a more challenging client is more work for a provider. Perhaps it's more in the physical realm (leaves her with a UTI or bruised nipples etc.) or there is more emotional management required because he is a misogynist or condescending. Maybe it's emotionally exhausting to be with him, even if he is harmless physically.
Perhaps he pushes other boundaries like over staying or arriving late which means she has to juggle her days schedule, causing loss of income. Or he constantly digs for personal information inappropriately so we have to watch every word we say and hope we didn't leave a prescription under the sink. Maybe he spits in the mouthwash bottle, pisses all over the bathroom or intentionally leaves skid marks on the towels when we point out the time is up. These are not the same services that are being rendered to clients who don't expect us to expend above/beyond physical, emotional or psychological labour. So I challenge this being used in regards to the sex trade. We offer a customized service, therefore those who wish to ignore our boundaries, business policies and procedures should be prepared to pay for that impropriety...

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That's the definition as per Investopedia. Price discrimination is discussed when discussing markets in economics classes so I don't think you can challenge the definition.

While there clearly is a negative connotation with price discrimination, nobody has really challenged your choice to do so nor has given you grief or argued you shouldn't. You saying it's good business is incorrect - it's just business. And most of your examples seem to involve customized services which would not fall into price discrimination (except dealing with a misogynist, condescending, or unpleasant personality). Hell, if it's role play you could say it's just that and charge for it.

You say it's a matter of customization. Yes it is but many other businesses have to offer customization for each client - no two clients are the same for a lawyer. Individual services might be individually customized but everything falls into categories and certain charges. Many different ways to do a BJ and I'm sure many clients like them done in different ways. But it all falls into the category of BJ and I don't see too many ladies going around and saying that each BJ on each client is a little different so she's going to offer differential pricing. Too complicated and a waste of time. It would be discrimination though to charge guy A $20, guy B $100, guy C $35, etc. for a BJ.
 
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That's the definition as per Investopedia. Price discrimination is discussed when discussing markets in economics classes so I don't think you can challenge the definition.
Please reread what I wrote more carefully. I wasn't challenging the definition, I'm saying it doesn't accurately apply to sex work.

While there clearly is a negative connotation with price discrimination, nobody has really challenged your choice to do so nor has given you grief or argued you shouldn't.
The fact it's now a 2 page thread indicates that there needs to be clarity given, otherwise there are those that will adopt it as a new mantra. They read it on an internet escort review board and it was written by a high post member so it must be true!

You saying it's good business is incorrect - it's just business. And most of your examples seem to involve customized services which would not fall into price discrimination (except dealing with a misogynist, condescending, or unpleasant personality).
I believe getting paid what one is worth for ones work is always good business. Just business is when someone else decides how much you are worth and how much to pay you.

You say it's a matter of customization. Yes it is but many other businesses have to offer customization for each client - no two clients are the same for a lawyer. Individual services might be individually customized but everything falls into categories and certain charges. Many different ways to do a BJ and I'm sure many clients like them done in different ways. But it all falls into the category of BJ and I don't see too many ladies going around and saying that each BJ on each client is a little different so she's going to offer differential pricing. Too complicated and a waste of time. It would be discrimination though to charge guy A $20, guy B $100, guy C $35, etc. for a BJ.

Once again, you can't compare providing legal services and sex work in any way because the intimacies and labour involved are unquantifiable in sex work therefore uncomparable. I happen to think that providers should customize their pricing more often. The bj analogy is an excellent example. If she feels that guy A took 2 mins and was only 4 inches and that's worth $20 and guy B takes 45 mins, is 8 inches and wants to ff, then that is definitely worth 5x's as much $ as guy A given she probably ended up with a bruised trachea and won't swallow properly for a week. I think you are on to something here semple. ;)

There are men who really are a delight to service and those are the only ones who deserve the fair shake when it comes to pricing. I'm at a point where if a client makes my time with him "work" then he should pay me more. I don't like to work, I like to play and that's how I've crafted this life I've chosen to live. If more men understood this, they would be having a lot more fun with their providers...


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Please reread what I wrote more carefully. I wasn't challenging the definition, I'm saying it doesn't accurately apply to sex work.



The fact it's now a 2 page thread indicates that there needs to be clarity given, otherwise there are those that will adopt it as a new mantra. They read it on an internet escort review board and it was written by a high post member so it must be true!



I believe getting paid what one is worth for ones work is always good business. Just business is when someone else decides how much you are worth and how much to pay you.



Once again, you can't compare providing legal services and sex work in any way because the intimacies and labour involved are unquantifiable in sex work therefore uncomparable. I happen to think that providers should customize their pricing more often. There are men who really are a delight to service and those are the only ones who deserve the fair shake when it comes to pricing. I'm at a point where if a client makes my time with him "work" then he should pay me more. I don't like to work, I like to play and that's how I've crafted this life I've chosen to live. If more men understood this, they would be having a lot more fun with their providers...

smiles, cat
I read what you wrote fully. At first you challenged the definition ("I beg to differ") and at the end you made it clear you weren't challenging the definition, merely its use to describe what you are doing. I was just yanking your chain. Sometimes it's fun to just open the door and let the other person walk right through it...

Using my post count in ANY argument means you will lose it every time.

We clearly have some different opinions/philosophies about discrimination. You chalk it up to being paid what you deserve and that's fine. You feel more customized pricing is fair - I don't disagree. I've never bought the argument that since it's time based. So when an SP charges a guy who only wants to talk versus a guy who wants 60 min of hard sex where the girl just sits there and takes it versus a guy who prefers a more interactive/sensual session, different rates should probably apply. And some ladies do offer social only rates so there is some customization, and some ladies say tell me your requests and I'll price it out. So there already is customization to a certain extent.
 

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One of the reasons I ask is because some people imply gifting an SP will cause her to raise her rates. I don't buy this argument
Are you sure you didn't just misread their argument and that they're actually saying the below?

You are not going to get a discount from one of those who beg for gifts and/or think they have golden pussies and guys need them.
Because it does stand to reason that people who think a lot of themselves would be less likely to offer discounts. That's literally what pride is.
 
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Using my post count in ANY argument means you will lose it every time.
And there in lies the challenge of the industry in a nutshell. I didn't realize it was a competition, I wasn't here to win but apparently you were and I missed it; naively assuming you simply wanted to have an intelligent, fact based discussion. I was here to try to share some perspective and insight hard earned thru my life in our brilliantly bizarre corner of the world. That there is no win or lose , there is no us or them. There is only human beings here trying to figure out how to be. How to be human, how to be happy, how to make life work. Keep seeking the unattainable understanding of our side of the coin while never, never hearing. You asked, I answered. You ignored.

But ok, O'big, brainy master philosopher of The Escort Review Board, you can most certainly claim the win if it makes you feel like you think you're suppose to feel after such dialogue...

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That's the definition as per Investopedia.
Maybe I am dumb, but I actually used a real dictionary, not some organization focussed on money.

Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

Definition of price discrimination

: the setting of a price differential on similar goods that is not based on differences in the cost of production


It has been agreed that the SPs have to provide different levels of effort to different clients. Hence, by a real dictionary's definition it is not discrimination. Please do not tell us that your definition outweighs that of a classic dictionary.

BTW, what are you trying to prove here anyway? It seems you just love to debate over trivialities ad nauseam and you are becoming tedious.
 

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I found this point interesting and a little ironic. If one asks an SP for a discount, some will take offense and blacklist you. So when the opposite happens and the SP rates go up, clients have to continue seeing the SP and pay the new rates? Seems like the clients blacklisted you. The other way of looking at it is reality. A guy thinks an SP loves him, wants to spend time with him but she's is mostly motivated by the money - if she wasn't she wouldn't charge the guy. So the fantasy turns to reality if he says he wants to see her for free. Here, you thought the clients liked seeing you for you and then you upped your rates and unfortunately reality was. They probably liked seeing you but one of their main considerations was the price and the change was enough for them to move on. Again, I just find this ironic.

No issue with a lady raising her rates as she needs. Obviously there are pros/cons to it. And sorry if this seems like I'm trying to rub salt in a wound. I'm not - I just truly found it to be an interesting reversal.



I've heard this argued a few different ways but I always say this. If it truly was time, I'm sure some SP would meet guys and with some or all, refuse to provide services. She'd be happy to chat but no more. When guy says he wants a refund, she'd argue guy has paid for her time, she delivered, no refund. So I think as pointed out it's done for LE purposes as well as to leave the option of consenting (or not consenting), hence the statement "whatever happens between two consenting adults."



Yeah question marks would have made it clear you were questioning an apparent contradiction.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/price_discrimination.asp

This is why one is and one isn't. In the first example, you charging a new client more is not discrimination. You aren't charging them a higher rate than normal - you are charging the known client a lower rate than normal = discount.

Sempel - yes it is ironic. However they did not blacklist me - they were regulars for YEARS , then I upped my rates they seen me once/ twice paid the new rate and then started asking for discounts again. So I took the liberty of asking them since they were on a "budget" not to come back. Sorry if i was unclear. Us ladies charge what we charge for a reason. Yes most of the time our rates are for time and companionship and yes the rates can also go up depending on what services/ extras you would like.

I guess it is fair to say that BOTH parties do price discrimination because

1.) the sp will not see u unless you pay a minimum of 100$ ( perfectly reasonable standard hh rate)
2.) The client can/will not see anybody charging more than 80 a hh because he cannot afford it. Therefore causing him to negotiate / haggle rates and try the " I only have 80$ right now" line.

When clients negotiate rates and services it makes us feel like we aren't worth what we are charging but yet we are providing the service and it is our bodies so we should reserve the right to charge what we wish without anyone telling us otherwise.

So again to answer your question yes and no. It depends what your definition of price discrimination is.

Yes- because some girls charge regulars different rates then new clients
No- Because some clients ask for services that aren't normally offered which causes a rate increase.
 

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geez, not another rates thread. SPs will charge what they feel their services/efforts are worth, and what the market can bear. Clients should have a budget in mind, and choose SP accordingly. you dont walk into the mercedes dealer and expect Kia car payments (tho both are great cars that will get you a-b, reliably and comfortably). In TO,at least, there are options at all price points. If you want premium service, youll have to pay for it, if you dont think the service being offered is worth that much of your money, go somewhere else - again there are hundreds of options.

The favourable kind of "price discrimination" is nice when it happens (eg grandfathered rates for regs) and sometimes a few girls who I have seen spanning 5 or more years, with a few price increases there, have insisted I pay the rate I did when they started. That is really sweet, but if the rates went up A) I'd either pay without complaint or B) if it got beyond a range I'm comfortable spending on myself for pure indulgence, I'd find someone else.
 

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This apparent need to call it discrimination is showing a true ignorance of what actual discrimination is. Not to mention insulting to those who have experienced it.


Being a FinDom is not price discrimination. Why? Because that is their job. To see the most about of money they can get out of the person.

Charging a client more for added service is not price discrimination. Why? Because the services are out of scope from the original normal service level.

Charging a client more who requires more work is not price discrimination. Why? Because they are creating more work that is out of scope.

Price Discrimination is being a black guy who comes through the door and raising the rates on him. Why? Because as per the definition of discrimination:

the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.


The Black guy did nothing more than be born black and he is being charged a different rate.

Where is the unjust or prejudicial treatment in any of the examples that have been given for a rise of the rates for certain client? There is not. Not in this thread anyway and we are now on page 3.

So if we can get rid of using the wrong word here and stop trying to demonize escorts for something they are NOT doing, I think we could have an open conversation of reasons why some clients would not pay the advertised rate. Be that a lower or higher than listed rate.

But who the fuck I am kidding, this is TERB. That won't happen. LOL
 

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This apparent need to call it discrimination is showing a true ignorance of what actual discrimination is. Not to mention insulting to those who have experienced it.


Being a FinDom is not price discrimination. Why? Because that is their job. To see the most about of money they can get out of the person.

Charging a client more for added service is not price discrimination. Why? Because the services are out of scope from the original normal service level.

Charging a client more who requires more work is not price discrimination. Why? Because they are creating more work that is out of scope.

Price Discrimination is being a black guy who comes through the door and raising the rates on him. Why? Because as per the definition of discrimination:

the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.


The Black guy did nothing more than be born black and he is being charged a different rate.

Where is the unjust or prejudicial treatment in any of the examples that have been given for a rise of the rates for certain client? There is not. Not in this thread anyway and we are now on page 3.

So if we can get rid of using the wrong word here and stop trying to demonize escorts for something they are NOT doing, I think we could have an open conversation of reasons why some clients would not pay the advertised rate. Be that a lower or higher than listed rate.

But who the fuck I am kidding, this is TERB. That won't happen. LOL
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surprisingly this time Jessica , I pretty much agree with everything u r saying.
 

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If shes into financial dom and slaves I don't think she is going to be ripping people off. I had a guy once who called me and literally said " I am into financial domination. I want you to tell me to bring XX amount to XX " and then he would come to my room, give me the money & I would say " you can never have this" do a little spin - point to the door and tell him to get out & that's all he really wanted.

You can warn guys about your experience with her if it is recent - if it isn't then maybe just let it be .

Obviously you two should have never met again after she told you that her rate went up. Like I said it is very unprofessional and obviously she just wanted the money.

Sorry for your experience again hun. Not all of us are like that. However getting close to an escort can be dangerous.. I'm pretty sure there are other threads about regulars and their fav sps having falling outs. Its quite normal in this industry. Ive had to ask several regulars not to come back for the simple fact that like her my rate went up and they weren't wiling to pay it. So it kind of made me feel like I wasn't worth it in their eyes and therefore caused a little tiff between us.
It still hurts. But that’s my fault for caring about her. She sent me some proof pics of of her recent photo shoot and she’s still posting twitter pics wearing the outfits I bought her. Looking hot. Maybe it would be easier to block her.
It’s definately way easier when rates don’t yo-yo, at least that way the boundaries are clear.
 

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Are you sure you didn't just misread their argument and that they're actually saying the below?

Because it does stand to reason that people who think a lot of themselves would be less likely to offer discounts. That's literally what pride is.
In another thread on giving gifts, there are a few comments saying "Why give a gift? She'll just raise her rates?" - something to that effect. Yes in theory you could say it's price discrimination to offer some discounts and others no discount but IMO that's part of any business. Some customers buy certain volumes or agree to be your customer over other options in exchange for a discount. Not every customer gets a discount or the same terms. Standard practice in normal business so I think if it happens with SW it's simply a standard business practice.

And there in lies the challenge of the industry in a nutshell. I didn't realize it was a competition, I wasn't here to win but apparently you were and I missed it; naively assuming you simply wanted to have an intelligent, fact based discussion. I was here to try to share some perspective and insight hard earned thru my life in our brilliantly bizarre corner of the world. That there is no win or lose , there is no us or them. There is only human beings here trying to figure out how to be. How to be human, how to be happy, how to make life work. Keep seeking the unattainable understanding of our side of the coin while never, never hearing. You asked, I answered. You ignored.

But ok, O'big, brainy master philosopher of The Escort Review Board, you can most certainly claim the win if it makes you feel like you think you're suppose to feel after such dialogue...

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I guess you've either arrived late to the Terb party or have been around all night but in the corner on your phone. Post count means nothing, in particular mine. I get the occasional comment about it in fact. That's why I said what I said, because I was joking knowing all the stuff/history behind it. You don't have the background so that comment didn't make sense to you.

Lighten up, take a chill pill, relax. Not sure why you seem so defensive (or offended) because I am having a simple, unbiased discussion, no judgement, no anger, and there is no winning/losing or attempt to do so. You're reading way too much into things. If I am at work, playing sports, or gambling, or if it's a matter of principle, yes there will be times I like to or want to win an argument. This is not one of those times.

Maybe I am dumb, but I actually used a real dictionary, not some organization focussed on money.

Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

Definition of price discrimination

: the setting of a price differential on similar goods that is not based on differences in the cost of production


It has been agreed that the SPs have to provide different levels of effort to different clients. Hence, by a real dictionary's definition it is not discrimination. Please do not tell us that your definition outweighs that of a classic dictionary.

BTW, what are you trying to prove here anyway? It seems you just love to debate over trivialities ad nauseam and you are becoming tedious.
Do you always do a half-assed job in order to skew things in your direction? First of all, Investopedia is a well known source, not some guy sitting in a barn making shit up. Second, the Merriam Webster Dictionary has TWO definitions, yet you conveniently didn't copy down the first one. Here's both of them.

Definition of price discrimination
1: the offering of similar or identical goods at different prices to different buyers
2: the setting of a price differential on similar goods that is not based on differences in the cost of production

Either way, pretty much says the same thing and is similar to the Investopedia definition.

"Effort" can mean many things. A more energetic client takes more effort as the girl probably has to display the same level of energy. Conversely a slow, low-energy client requires little energy to be expended. But the services provided are the same in this case. OTOH, if a guy requests a specific mani/pedi, a specific outfit, and for the girl to memorize certain responses to be given on cue, that's also more effort than a standard no frills client too. But the difference is there is clearly more/different services involved so charging them more is not price discrimination.

Sempel - yes it is ironic. However they did not blacklist me - they were regulars for YEARS , then I upped my rates they seen me once/ twice paid the new rate and then started asking for discounts again. So I took the liberty of asking them since they were on a "budget" not to come back. Sorry if i was unclear. Us ladies charge what we charge for a reason. Yes most of the time our rates are for time and companionship and yes the rates can also go up depending on what services/ extras you would like.

I guess it is fair to say that BOTH parties do price discrimination because

1.) the sp will not see u unless you pay a minimum of 100$ ( perfectly reasonable standard hh rate)
2.) The client can/will not see anybody charging more than 80 a hh because he cannot afford it. Therefore causing him to negotiate / haggle rates and try the " I only have 80$ right now" line.

When clients negotiate rates and services it makes us feel like we aren't worth what we are charging but yet we are providing the service and it is our bodies so we should reserve the right to charge what we wish without anyone telling us otherwise.

So again to answer your question yes and no. It depends what your definition of price discrimination is.

Yes- because some girls charge regulars different rates then new clients
No- Because some clients ask for services that aren't normally offered which causes a rate increase.
Price discrimination is one thing as defined above. Discrimination in general is another thing and the two don't necessarily meet in every instance. Yes, an SP who's charging $1000/hour is perhaps discriminating against certain customers who cannot afford it. But I don't see this as discrimination, simply pricing strategy. Pros/cons to it and everything else. At $1000/hour, your clients are likely well-to-do, money is no object so they might easily be able to tip/gift you, etc. Does that rate invite potential clients to haggle? Perhaps. Does that rate create a certain level of expectation and entitlement? Perhaps. Does that rate potentially kill volume to the point where the lady doesn't make enough to support herself? Perhaps. Pros/cons to every decision. Even a lady who charges $100/hour, pros/cons. Probably great volume, guys might also gift/tip, less likely to haggle since it's affordable (sure there might be one-offs who are broke/cheap). Problem is SP needs to do high volume to support herself, guys may not be the nicest/cleanest, etc.

I don't see discrimination in general as being linked to pricing discrimination. Girl sets her rate, guys can decide - simple. It's when she says customer A has to pay $X and customer B has to pay $Y for the exact same thing, that's price discrimination and again, I don't see discounting as price discrimination if it's based on regular/new.

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surprisingly this time Jessica , I pretty much agree with everything u r saying.
Actually I would disagree because it's turning nothing into something and it's way off-base. I can't argue on the definition of "discrimination" but "price discrimination" is a term used in economics - it has nothing to do with gender/race/etc or any other type of discrimination that is being brought up to turn this into an argument about something else. If I used "game theory" to discuss some aspect of SW work, does that mean I think it's a game, it's meant to be won/lost, that it's not serious? No - I'm just using a standard term that describes a particular field of study.

At the end of the day, I was simply trying to find out if price discrimination takes place (seems the answer is yes) and if it happens in two cases

1) Does it happen when an SP sees a client can afford to pay more so she ups her rates with him specifically. This is because some members have stated in another thread that an SP will raise her rates if she's getting showered with gifts.
2) If a client is getting the same service as another client except he's loud/annoying/bad breath/BO/rough/etc. He's not asking for anything more than the next guy but for some reason he's disliked or intolerable. So the SP says she'll charge him more because he's not bad enough to be blacklisted but it doesn't seem worth it at her regular rate. Catherine has implied she does this but when she goes into detail, I'm unclear whether she is actually doing this or just charging more because the guy is making specific requests. Price discrimination would be solely the choice of the provider and not because the client has requested anything above/beyond the norm.
 

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In another thread on giving gifts, there are a few comments saying "Why give a gift? She'll just raise her rates?" - something to that effect. Yes in theory you could say it's price discrimination to offer some discounts and others no discount but IMO that's part of any business. Some customers buy certain volumes or agree to be your customer over other options in exchange for a discount. Not every customer gets a discount or the same terms. Standard practice in normal business so I think if it happens with SW it's simply a standard business practice.



I guess you've either arrived late to the Terb party or have been around all night but in the corner on your phone. Post count means nothing, in particular mine. I get the occasional comment about it in fact. That's why I said what I said, because I was joking knowing all the stuff/history behind it. You don't have the background so that comment didn't make sense to you.

Lighten up, take a chill pill, relax. Not sure why you seem so defensive (or offended) because I am having a simple, unbiased discussion, no judgement, no anger, and there is no winning/losing or attempt to do so. You're reading way too much into things. If I am at work, playing sports, or gambling, or if it's a matter of principle, yes there will be times I like to or want to win an argument. This is not one of those times.



Do you always do a half-assed job in order to skew things in your direction? First of all, Investopedia is a well known source, not some guy sitting in a barn making shit up. Second, the Merriam Webster Dictionary has TWO definitions, yet you conveniently didn't copy down the first one. Here's both of them.

Definition of price discrimination
1: the offering of similar or identical goods at different prices to different buyers
2: the setting of a price differential on similar goods that is not based on differences in the cost of production

Either way, pretty much says the same thing and is similar to the Investopedia definition.

"Effort" can mean many things. A more energetic client takes more effort as the girl probably has to display the same level of energy. Conversely a slow, low-energy client requires little energy to be expended. But the services provided are the same in this case. OTOH, if a guy requests a specific mani/pedi, a specific outfit, and for the girl to memorize certain responses to be given on cue, that's also more effort than a standard no frills client too. But the difference is there is clearly more/different services involved so charging them more is not price discrimination.



Price discrimination is one thing as defined above. Discrimination in general is another thing and the two don't necessarily meet in every instance. Yes, an SP who's charging $1000/hour is perhaps discriminating against certain customers who cannot afford it. But I don't see this as discrimination, simply pricing strategy. Pros/cons to it and everything else. At $1000/hour, your clients are likely well-to-do, money is no object so they might easily be able to tip/gift you, etc. Does that rate invite potential clients to haggle? Perhaps. Does that rate create a certain level of expectation and entitlement? Perhaps. Does that rate potentially kill volume to the point where the lady doesn't make enough to support herself? Perhaps. Pros/cons to every decision. Even a lady who charges $100/hour, pros/cons. Probably great volume, guys might also gift/tip, less likely to haggle since it's affordable (sure there might be one-offs who are broke/cheap). Problem is SP needs to do high volume to support herself, guys may not be the nicest/cleanest, etc.

I don't see discrimination in general as being linked to pricing discrimination. Girl sets her rate, guys can decide - simple. It's when she says customer A has to pay $X and customer B has to pay $Y for the exact same thing, that's price discrimination and again, I don't see discounting as price discrimination if it's based on regular/new.



Actually I would disagree because it's turning nothing into something and it's way off-base. I can't argue on the definition of "discrimination" but "price discrimination" is a term used in economics - it has nothing to do with gender/race/etc or any other type of discrimination that is being brought up to turn this into an argument about something else. If I used "game theory" to discuss some aspect of SW work, does that mean I think it's a game, it's meant to be won/lost, that it's not serious? No - I'm just using a standard term that describes a particular field of study.

At the end of the day, I was simply trying to find out if price discrimination takes place (seems the answer is yes) and if it happens in two cases

1) Does it happen when an SP sees a client can afford to pay more so she ups her rates with him specifically. This is because some members have stated in another thread that an SP will raise her rates if she's getting showered with gifts.
2) If a client is getting the same service as another client except he's loud/annoying/bad breath/BO/rough/etc. He's not asking for anything more than the next guy but for some reason he's disliked or intolerable. So the SP says she'll charge him more because he's not bad enough to be blacklisted but it doesn't seem worth it at her regular rate. Catherine has implied she does this but when she goes into detail, I'm unclear whether she is actually doing this or just charging more because the guy is making specific requests. Price discrimination would be solely the choice of the provider and not because the client has requested anything above/beyond the norm.


The point is that this has been discussed before, us ladies have the right to charge whatever we want. If you cant afford it then move along there are 1000's of options on backpage. This is just another thread trying to tell us to lower our rates to accommodate "peoples" budgets and that's not how this industry works- it never was. As ive stated before when I first started there was no 60 rates ; there was not even no such thing as a fifteen min rate. There was only hh and hr which in my opinion is way better than offering 15 mins anyways.

I don't think that if a girl charges $240 hr she is discriminating those who cant pay it - it is just her opinion on what she thinks she is worth for the hr. As the saying goes " cheap service isn't good and good service isn't cheap! "

The best thing for those who are on a budget is to SAVE, SAVE AND SAVE so that you can see the girl u want. LOL. isn't that a simple solution? Instead of trying to say sps price discriminate when 99.9% of the time that is not the case.''


We raise our rates based on MARKET prices lol. Nowadays standard hh rates are 140 and 240 hr . Indys also charge 120-140 hh depending on the sp and 220-240 hr; and some girls will not accept 60.80 or even 100. Like I said it just depends on the girl.
 

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It still hurts. But that’s my fault for caring about her. She sent me some proof pics of of her recent photo shoot and she’s still posting twitter pics wearing the outfits I bought her. Looking hot. Maybe it would be easier to block her.
It’s definately way easier when rates don’t yo-yo, at least that way the boundaries are clear.
um ya I would say block her. if u have no intentions of seeing her again then u following her on twitter or are even still texting her ; it can get kind of weird or creepy.... lol
 

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The point is that this has been discussed before, us ladies have the right to charge whatever we want. If you cant afford it then move along there are 1000's of options on backpage. This is just another thread trying to tell us to lower our rates to accommodate "peoples" budgets and that's not how this industry works- it never was. As ive stated before when I first started there was no 60 rates ; there was not even no such thing as a fifteen min rate. There was only hh and hr which in my opinion is way better than offering 15 mins anyways.

I don't think that if a girl charges $240 hr she is discriminating those who cant pay it - it is just her opinion on what she thinks she is worth for the hr. As the saying goes " cheap service isn't good and good service isn't cheap! "

The best thing for those who are on a budget is to SAVE, SAVE AND SAVE so that you can see the girl u want. LOL. isn't that a simple solution? Instead of trying to say sps price discriminate when 99.9% of the time that is not the case.''


We raise our rates based on MARKET prices lol. Nowadays standard hh rates are 140 and 240 hr . Indys also charge 120-140 hh depending on the sp and 220-240 hr; and some girls will not accept 60.80 or even 100. Like I said it just depends on the girl.
Yes, many threads discussing rates and lowering them (or how high they are). That's not the intent of this discussion and I don't see too many comments (if any) to support your belief that it is that. I agree with everything else.
 

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Yes, many threads discussing rates and lowering them (or how high they are). That's not the intent of this discussion and I don't see too many comments (if any) to support your belief that it is that. I agree with everything else.
So what is your intention with this discussion? You have more or less confirmed what you (actually most of us) already knew intuitively.
 

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So what is your intention with this discussion? You have more or less confirmed what you (actually most of us) already knew intuitively.
Answering these

1) Does it happen when an SP sees a client can afford to pay more so she ups her rates with him specifically? This is because some members have stated in another thread that an SP will raise her rates if she's getting showered with gifts.
2) If a client is getting the same service as another client except he's loud/annoying/bad breath/BO/rough/etc. He's not asking for anything more than the next guy but for some reason he's disliked or intolerable. So the SP says she'll charge him more because he's not bad enough to be blacklisted but it doesn't seem worth it at her regular rate. Catherine has implied she does this but when she goes into detail, I'm unclear whether she is actually doing this or just charging more because the guy is making specific requests. Price discrimination would be solely the choice of the provider and not because the client has requested anything above/beyond the norm.

This is not a discussion about rates being too high or about getting discounts, it's not. If people want to think it is, they are off-base. This is not about discrimination, especially based on race. If people want to jump to that because the word "discriminate" is being used, they are even more off base.
 

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Answering these

1) Does it happen when an SP sees a client can afford to pay more so she ups her rates with him specifically? This is because some members have stated in another thread that an SP will raise her rates if she's getting showered with gifts.
2) If a client is getting the same service as another client except he's loud/annoying/bad breath/BO/rough/etc. He's not asking for anything more than the next guy but for some reason he's disliked or intolerable. So the SP says she'll charge him more because he's not bad enough to be blacklisted but it doesn't seem worth it at her regular rate. Catherine has implied she does this but when she goes into detail, I'm unclear whether she is actually doing this or just charging more because the guy is making specific requests. Price discrimination would be solely the choice of the provider and not because the client has requested anything above/beyond the norm.

This is not a discussion about rates being too high or about getting discounts, it's not. If people want to think it is, they are off-base. This is not about discrimination, especially based on race. If people want to jump to that because the word "discriminate" is being used, they are even more off base.
Does it make any difference if Catherine or other girls are price discriminating or just charging more for specific requests, which are basically the same thing? Like you said, price discrimination is at the sole discretion of the provider. What is to be gained by asking to explain if and why they do it?
 

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I have never encountered price discrimination per se (in the hourly or multi-hour rate itself) but I think SPs do it in the form of ending a session or heading to the shower after 45-50 minutes into a one hour session. I would suggest clients discreetly use their stopwatch timer on their smartphone or watch to make sure that they are properly getting what they are paying for.
 
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