Do SP's ever price discriminate?

[sempel]

Agencies and indys usually give notice that the are raising rates and / or previous clients are grandfathered. I guess there are girls that don't grandfather rates and clients either have to accept or decline. There might also be girls that say that since you're black, asian, etc. you pay X and since you're white you pay Y. I doubt that happens or we'd be hearing about it in reviews. I think most girls will just not book with blacks, asians, etc.

The guys linking girls that are frequently gifted with rising rates have nothing else better to do than complain. They have zero evidence of how many gifts a girl actually receives or why a girl's rates are rising.

Good example - is a girl charges you more because of your race.

A way to avoid ladies who price discriminate is see those who openly list their rates be it either independent or agency, but this can happen in any business transaction as well

This sounds like you're implying this does occur.

to the op - lots of sps have " normal" rates that they charge their regulars . I have also noticed that girls charge new clients different rates because they are new and want to make sure the guy is not a a**hole. pardon my French.

This is because in the last recent years LOTS, and I mean LOTS of clients are negotiating rates because girls are advertising $60, $80, $ 100 specials ; some girls even go as low as 50$ for a quickie . This was not the case 5-6 years ago. I remember when there was no such thing as a fifteen min rate ; lots of girls used to only do hh and hrs because guys were willing to pay the prices . Now because of all the different rates being posted on backpage clients feel that they can pay whatever they want because it is what they can afford.

Some girls may accept this - however I know quite a few - myself included that will block you ( call us uptight if you want ) if you even think about negotiating rates because to the girls who are well reviewed and take pride in their work do not want to entertain clients who negotiate because it shows a little bit of their personality without even actually meeting them .


As an sp we set our rates & we expect them to be respected - if they are not , how can anyone have a good time?

So to answer your question - yes some girls charge regulars different rates then new clients. I wouldn't call it discrimination - I call it seeing if the person is serious or not. Nobody likes their time wasted.

Happy hobbying gents!

I think what you've described falls into either discounts or grandfathering. And negotiating for a discount is done by the client. I'm more thinking along the lines of the SP controlling the rates. Yes discounts and grandfathering occur and there's many examples. Never hear much about discrimination where lady charges one person the normal rate and another a higher rate.

For sure this happens in the MP world. How many guys have gone in after hearing someone else state "This MPA gave me a BJ for $50 tip." Guy goes and the lady quotes $100 and won't budge.

Sorry to hear that TFZL1 - however did she ask you to take her shopping and buy her gifts or did u just do it as a kind gesture? I'm not justifying what she did - just trying to understand.

So you seen her multiple times for a "special" rate because you were a regular , u had a little tiff because u asked her not to hit her bong around u while u guys were engaging in small talk & then she told u her rate went up but u didn't want to pay it for the simple reason that you were a regular and used to a specific rate ; then when u had an appointment she gave u the cold shoulder and basically ended the hr session after forty minutes???

Sounds to me that neither of u wanted to meet but u went through with it anyway... That is very unprofessional of her on her part - sounds like she knew u would come because u were a regular.

Sounds like TFZL1 was giving her the benefit of the doubt and hoping the relationship could be repaired. There are some cases where this is possible but if the same thing happened to me, I wouldn't have gone for that extra session. Too much awkwardness and the disagreement will always be in the back of one's mind.

I don't understand escorts who complain about clients who don't respect their time. When the time is up and the guy doesn't look like he is leaving any time soon, you tell him to leave. Why is that so difficult?

I'm sure many do but some guys dawdle and take their own sweet time to get up, shower, get dressed and leave. I also assume some are hesitant to start a confrontation thinking it may end really badly. Sometimes you win by losing. Yes, your time has been wasted, a waiting client is taken late, but her safety is never jeopardized. I had one guy yelling at me and cursing me the other day. I'm a big guy but I'm not sure how I'd do in a fight since I've never really been in one, I don't know what the other guy's deal is but he's a big guy, and if it's gets physical that's never a good thing. So while he was cursing me I didn't say anything and just took it. He's a moron and I know that but me trying to say anything to argue with him even though he was out or line as well as being wrong would only have made the situation worse.

I'm thinking there's a higher chance this happens on BP. But again, I'm just wondering if an SP thinks dude is a pain in the ass but somewhat tolerable so she tells him he has to pay a higher rate, regardless of whether she has posted rates or not. His 1st appointment was $200 which is her publicized rate but she tells him $300. Iris kind of did that but not really - she forced him to pay more but that's due to her making it a 1 hour minimum.

 

[sweetiepieexo]

Good example - is a girl charges you more because of your race.



This sounds like you're implying this does occur.



I think what you've described falls into either discounts or grandfathering. And negotiating for a discount is done by the client. I'm more thinking along the lines of the SP controlling the rates. Yes discounts and grandfathering occur and there's many examples. Never hear much about discrimination where lady charges one person the normal rate and another a higher rate.

For sure this happens in the MP world. How many guys have gone in after hearing someone else state "This MPA gave me a BJ for $50 tip." Guy goes and the lady quotes $100 and won't budge.



Sounds like TFZL1 was giving her the benefit of the doubt and hoping the relationship could be repaired. There are some cases where this is possible but if the same thing happened to me, I wouldn't have gone for that extra session. Too much awkwardness and the disagreement will always be in the back of one's mind.



I'm sure many do but some guys dawdle and take their own sweet time to get up, shower, get dressed and leave. I also assume some are hesitant to start a confrontation thinking it may end really badly. Sometimes you win by losing. Yes, your time has been wasted, a waiting client is taken late, but her safety is never jeopardized. I had one guy yelling at me and cursing me the other day. I'm a big guy but I'm not sure how I'd do in a fight since I've never really been in one, I don't know what the other guy's deal is but he's a big guy, and if it's gets physical that's never a good thing. So while he was cursing me I didn't say anything and just took it. He's a moron and I know that but me trying to say anything to argue with him even though he was out or line as well as being wrong would only have made the situation worse.

I'm thinking there's a higher chance this happens on BP. But again, I'm just wondering if an SP thinks dude is a pain in the ass but somewhat tolerable so she tells him he has to pay a higher rate, regardless of whether she has posted rates or not. His 1st appointment was $200 which is her publicized rate but she tells him $300. Iris kind of did that but not really - she forced him to pay more but that's due to her making it a 1 hour minimum.

Yes its true negotiating is usually done by the client ; however sometimes sps will offer regular clients 100$ hh and new clients 140 hh . This is just to make sure we can find out whos serious and whos not. To us anyone that negotiates is 90% likely to be rude or give us a hard time - we speak from experience. This is why a lot of girls are now putting "low ballers will be blocked" or " I do not negotiate rates / services" . This is becoming very common nowadays.

As for TFZL1 giving the girl the benefit of the doubt - if that was me ; I would have just said u know what hun , obviously we don't agree maybe its best that we don't see each other anymore. Obviously there was as misunderstanding between them somewhere down the line & she just wasn't feeling it. However she should have handled the situation differently instead of ripping him off basically.

all I'm saying is if you want to have a good time there should be some kind of mutual respect.

 

[yermama]

Yet people make the point that an SP who is frequently gifted will raise her rates.

The SP would probably be considered opportunistic as she's bumping her rates despite getting gifts.

Too many idiots around. They review a girl, say she is great, and then go on to talk about how her rates will probably raise soon or she will become VIP and they don't want that. :der: Why are you even talking about it and putting ideas into people's minds then? And then there are those who want to pay more for some reason and tell the girl that she should raise her rates.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

I always assumed so.

I have two clients for which I do the exact same work. One is very easy going and the other a huge pain in the ass. I charge the second one 25% more. As an independent business person it is my decision.

However I do not advertise rates. If I did I suppose I could only discount, not elevate.

KK

Exactly. And I do the same. The pain in the ass cllient always costs more time, effort, energy. In my line of work, they can demand extra revisions that they feel they do not have to pay for or other out of scope work. So they get charged more.

However, it is kind of hard when escorting and rates are listed.

I think that most of this would occur on BP type ad sites. I see women changing their rate all the time. It depends on the day for them.

I don't know of an price discrimination against certain clients directly. Like where they are charged more than the advertised/normal rate. I know for me, I have made financial arrangements for a different price then advertised rate for "mistress" type services. I am not discriminating against standard clients in my opinion. My "goal" is more mistress style anyway, so when I find that, I will work out what works for "us".

 

[Catherine St.Claire]

I definitely adjust pricing when someone tries to haggle my daytime rate, every request for a discount increases my rate by $50-$100 depending on their tone. I don't post evening rates, instead I price it out after he tells me what experience he's looking for. Someone with a long list of nit picky requests like specific coloured pedicure/manicure, wild wardrobe or super scripted role play scenarios will have a much higher rate than someone who says I can wear my lulu's and he simply wants to play then hang out. Working nights isn't high on my "love it" list so whether they accept or decline, it's all good. I have raised rates on guests after the first meeting (rarely but it has happened) if they are tremendously challenging and I explain why to them. It's then their choice to book or move on. My pricing decisions always reflect the guests expectations for service and what that will cost me on an energy/focus level. More effort and a less than enjoyable experience for me, the price will go up. Or if I need to fire a client because he doesn't listen or we are incompatible with no hope of ever being, I just raise my consideration to an unrealistic sum that I know he won't pay.

Is all of this discrimination? I'm not sure, I've always just thought of it as common sense business practices...

smiles, cat

 

[IRIS]

I don't understand escorts who complain about clients who don't respect their time. When the time is up and the guy doesn't look like he is leaving any time soon, you tell him to leave. Why is that so difficult?

I try to be polite, just I don't like if someone take advantage of it . Sometimes a few clients took 15-20 minutes shower after the session, dry his hair....etc. but I don't have time for this, especially when the next guests is waiting for me. Really annoying. I don't need the "clockwatcher" title in this business, that's why I don't kick out the clients but if you do it repeatedly there are consequences.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

I try to be polite, just I don't like if someone take advantage of it . Sometimes a few clients took 15-20 minutes shower after the session, dry his hair....etc. but I don't have time for this, especially when the next guests is waiting for me. Really annoying. I don't need the "clockwatcher" title in this business, that's why I don't kick out the clients but if you do it repeatedly there are consequences.

And that is the rub, isn't it?

If we say something, we get listed as clock-watchers.

It is not an unknown fact that many of my regular clients stay longer than time. It is not unknown that I will usually start with 15 mins of coffee and chit chat OTC for new clients. I don't charge for shower time, etc. Yet I still get the BS of clockwatching and I don't even have a clock in the room!

That doesn't even include all the guys who seem to be of the opinion that if you like them, you will let them stay OTC. If they see you once a week, once a month, then you should give them OTC time because they are investing so much of their money into you. Even here, you have people who would love to get to know you, talk, enjoy company that is not directly in the bedroom, but that all has to be OTC or you are just a money hungry hooker.

It will always be a catch 22 for us. My opinion, do what works for you personally and screen to find clients that agree.

Clearly, in your case, you did the right thing and it has worked out.

I don't see what you or Cat has done as price discrimination. It is changing the price to encompass what would normally be out of scope. In mainstream business terms.

 

[sempel]

I definitely adjust pricing when someone tries to haggle my daytime rate, every request for a discount increases my rate by $50-$100 depending on their tone. I don't post evening rates, instead I price it out after he tells me what experience he's looking for. Someone with a long list of nit picky requests like specific coloured pedicure/manicure, wild wardrobe or super scripted role play scenarios will have a much higher rate than someone who says I can wear my lulu's and he simply wants to play then hang out. Working nights isn't high on my "love it" list so whether they accept or decline, it's all good. I have raised rates on guests after the first meeting (rarely but it has happened) if they are tremendously challenging and I explain why to them. It's then their choice to book or move on. My pricing decisions always reflect the guests expectations for service and what that will cost me on an energy/focus level. More effort and a less than enjoyable experience for me, the price will go up. Or if I need to fire a client because he doesn't listen or we are incompatible with no hope of ever being, I just raise my consideration to an unrealistic sum that I know he won't pay.

Is all of this discrimination? I'm not sure, I've always just thought of it as common sense business practices...

smiles, cat

Thanks. So you've confirmed it does occur and yes, some of it is price discrimination, if I am understanding. Charging someone more for requests, additional services, etc. is not discrimination (e.g. a charge for Greek is not discrimination unless you normally don't charge for it but are charging certain clients). Your point about tremendously challenging client sounds like price discrimination i.e. getting normal (or additional services) but you are charging higher rates for that person specifically over other customers.

Now some girls normally have an upcharge for something like Greek or CIM. It would not be considered discrimination if they didn't charge the occasional client for whatever reason.

 

[malata]

i was discriminated by my good looks once - she ended up paying for my dinner, fuck i was so pissed

 

[shack]

Your point about tremendously challenging client sounds like price discrimination i.e. getting normal (or additional services) but you are charging higher rates for that person specifically over other customers.

Some SP's offer discounts, some SP's offer grandfathered rates.

But do any SP's price discriminate i.e. they offer different prices to different customers?

I will charge you more than someone I have seen before is not discrimination.

I will charge you more than someone who is not difficult to deal with is discrimination. :der:

In both cases she has a valid reason. No further comment.

 

[essguy_]

Thanks. So you've confirmed it does occur and yes, some of it is price discrimination, if I am understanding. Charging someone more for requests, additional services, etc. is not discrimination (e.g. a charge for Greek is not discrimination unless you normally don't charge for it but are charging certain clients). Your point about tremendously challenging client sounds like price discrimination i.e. getting normal (or additional services) but you are charging higher rates for that person specifically over other customers.

Now some girls normally have an upcharge for something like Greek or CIM. It would not be considered discrimination if they didn't charge the occasional client for whatever reason.

Sempel: People (providers or customers) are not a commodity where you look for certain rules (eg: pricing). If prices are advertised and a provider asks for more - then that is price discrimination - confirmed. If a provider doesn't advertise rates, it's for a reason - meaning that she can set whatever price she feels the market (and her willingness) will bear at that particular moment. You could answer your own question just by taking 5 minutes to think about it before posting. Same with your notion about charging (or not) for extras - it all depends upon the moment. You're looking for hard concrete rules when there are none.

 

[Catherine St.Claire]

Thanks. So you've confirmed it does occur and yes, some of it is price discrimination, if I am understanding. Charging someone more for requests, additional services, etc. is not discrimination (e.g. a charge for Greek is not discrimination unless you normally don't charge for it but are charging certain clients). Your point about tremendously challenging client sounds like price discrimination i.e. getting normal (or additional services) but you are charging higher rates for that person specifically over other customers.

Now some girls normally have an upcharge for something like Greek or CIM. It would not be considered discrimination if they didn't charge the occasional client for whatever reason.

I don't quite grasp how charging a client more who demands more than my normal service is discrimination? I don't turn people away for things beyond their control, ie race, weight, disability etc so I don't consider my practices discriminatory. A client who places more demands on the experience should be prepared to compensate for it or else move on to someone who will include it. An extra $75 for mani/pedi in a colour I will have to remove isn't built into my fee structure, I'm a french mani girl. Why should I absorb that cost? Someone who wants to make a huge mess in my playroom that will require 2-3 hours of clean up w/ steam cleaning afterwards, why should I absorb that cost? A client who wants to hand me a script and expect every nuanced detail of it provided perfectly which requires 2 days of me having to memorizing lines, movements, tone etc, why should I absorb that cost? Someone who doesn't listen to my boundaries in non violent ways during the entire visit, why should they not pay more for that experience? I'm certainly not going to penalize the guests who come in, we have a mind blowing time together and I love to see them by raising my rates so everyone pays the same.

There are numerous factors that go into why I set my pricing and its a finely balanced equation. Time/service/effort/energy/overhead = my fee. If any of the first factors go above what I've set out in the equation then there should be a reflected increase in my fee. That isn't discriminatory, it's business 101.

smiles, cat

 

[explorerzip]

Thanks. So you've confirmed it does occur and yes, some of it is price discrimination, if I am understanding. Charging someone more for requests, additional services, etc. is not discrimination (e.g. a charge for Greek is not discrimination unless you normally don't charge for it but are charging certain clients). Your point about tremendously challenging client sounds like price discrimination i.e. getting normal (or additional services) but you are charging higher rates for that person specifically over other customers.

Now some girls normally have an upcharge for something like Greek or CIM. It would not be considered discrimination if they didn't charge the occasional client for whatever reason.

I think you knew this already.

 

[sempel]

I will charge you more than someone I have seen before is not discrimination.

I will charge you more than someone who is not difficult to deal with is discrimination. :der:

In both cases she has a valid reason. No further comment.

Your first two points have repeated what I've said so we are already in agreement. I never questioned the validity.

Sempel: People (providers or customers) are not a commodity where you look for certain rules (eg: pricing). If prices are advertised and a provider asks for more - then that is price discrimination - confirmed. If a provider doesn't advertise rates, it's for a reason - meaning that she can set whatever price she feels the market (and her willingness) will bear at that particular moment. You could answer your own question just by taking 5 minutes to think about it before posting. Same with your notion about charging (or not) for extras - it all depends upon the moment. You're looking for hard concrete rules when there are none.

Obviously. I'm just curious about it in certain circumstances and if it happens, which the bolded line doesn't - it just reiterates the definition. The standard stuff that happens (like not charging a client for a specific service) is one type of price discrimination and I know it happens already.

I don't quite grasp how charging a client more who demands more than my normal service is discrimination? I don't turn people away for things beyond their control, ie race, weight, disability etc so I don't consider my practices discriminatory. A client who places more demands on the experience should be prepared to compensate for it or else move on to someone who will include it. An extra $75 for mani/pedi in a colour I will have to remove isn't built into my fee structure, I'm a french mani girl. Why should I absorb that cost? Someone who wants to make a huge mess in my playroom that will require 2-3 hours of clean up w/ steam cleaning afterwards, why should I absorb that cost? A client who wants to hand me a script and expect every nuanced detail of it provided perfectly which requires 2 days of me having to memorizing lines, movements, tone etc, why should I absorb that cost? Someone who doesn't listen to my boundaries in non violent ways during the entire visit, why should they not pay more for that experience? I'm certainly not going to penalize the guests who come in, we have a mind blowing time together and I love to see them by raising my rates so everyone pays the same.

There are numerous factors that go into why I set my pricing and its a finely balanced equation. Time/service/effort/energy/overhead = my fee. If any of the first factors go above what I've set out in the equation then there should be a reflected increase in my fee. That isn't discriminatory, it's business 101.

smiles, cat

That is why I qualified my response with "If I understand you." I wasn't sure if you were meaning difficult as in just a difficult person to deal with (personality-wise) or difficult meaning many special/specific requests.

Again, if someone wants a specific outfit that you don't own, they have to pay for it. If someone asks for a specific toe colour and pedicure style, they have to pay for it. All the examples you have listed are understandable reasons for charging someone above/beyond the normal rate. Using your example though, have you ever charged someone (after seeing them for the first time) a significantly higher rate for just the yoga pants and hanging out because you felt they'd pay more (or deserved to pay more) for some reason? That is price discrimination. Charging for any additional services that aren't normal/standard in your regular rate is not price discrimination.

I think you knew this already.

Yes I did. I was asking more on an overall appointment rate level, not a service-specific level. For sure there have been some SP's who might charge for a specific service normally but don't charge some clients for it. However, IMO that constitutes a discount, not necessarily price discrimination. I see discrimination as charging someone MORE than normal versus charging someone else LESS than normal.

 

[TFZL1]

Sorry to hear that TFZL1 - however did she ask you to take her shopping and buy her gifts or did u just do it as a kind gesture? I'm not justifying what she did - just trying to understand.

So you seen her multiple times for a "special" rate because you were a regular , u had a little tiff because u asked her not to hit her bong around u while u guys were engaging in small talk & then she told u her rate went up but u didn't want to pay it for the simple reason that you were a regular and used to a specific rate ; then when u had an appointment she gave u the cold shoulder and basically ended the hr session after forty minutes???

Sounds to me that neither of u wanted to meet but u went through with it anyway... That is very unprofessional of her on her part - sounds like she knew u would come because u were a regular.

Yeah, she’s now into FinDom and slaves, I’m not going to see her anymore. It’s hard thou cause I care for her.
I wish her well, but I kinda feel like I need to warn other guys that she’ll take advantage.

 

[sweetiepieexo]

Yeah, she’s now into FinDom and slaves, I’m not going to see her anymore. It’s hard thou cause I care for her.
I wish her well, but I kinda feel like I need to warn other guys that she’ll take advantage.

If shes into financial dom and slaves I don't think she is going to be ripping people off. I had a guy once who called me and literally said " I am into financial domination. I want you to tell me to bring XX amount to XX " and then he would come to my room, give me the money & I would say " you can never have this" do a little spin - point to the door and tell him to get out & that's all he really wanted.

You can warn guys about your experience with her if it is recent - if it isn't then maybe just let it be .

Obviously you two should have never met again after she told you that her rate went up. Like I said it is very unprofessional and obviously she just wanted the money.

Sorry for your experience again hun. Not all of us are like that. However getting close to an escort can be dangerous.. I'm pretty sure there are other threads about regulars and their fav sps having falling outs. Its quite normal in this industry. Ive had to ask several regulars not to come back for the simple fact that like her my rate went up and they weren't wiling to pay it. So it kind of made me feel like I wasn't worth it in their eyes and therefore caused a little tiff between us.

 

[Bostonmass]

So are men really paying for the ladies time or are we paying for service? The same thing?
I’m a msog kinda guy, so would ladies be more inclined to charge for the time, regardless of the # of times I can orgasm, or should they charge for the number of orgasms, regardless of how long?

 

[Catherine St.Claire]

That is why I qualified my response with "If I understand you." I wasn't sure if you were meaning difficult as in just a difficult person to deal with (personality-wise) or difficult meaning many special/specific requests.

Using your example though, have you ever charged someone (after seeing them for the first time) a significantly higher rate for just the yoga pants and hanging out because you felt they'd pay more (or deserved to pay more) for some reason? That is price discrimination. Charging for any additional services that aren't normal/standard in your regular rate is not price discrimination.

It's always asshattery that garners a higher rate with me. As I stated in my first post, I have (tho rarely, I usually just won't book with them again) charged a client more the second visit. They knew in advance there was a price increase and why; it was their decision to book anyway and show up at my door. If the asshattery subsided, I adjusted their fee accordingly. If it doesn't, I fire them but I try give them a chance to correct the behaviour if I think there is a spark there. I always have a reason stemming from very specific behaviour that would justify any increase I deem necessary. I don't feel it's discriminatory to charge someone what I feel I earn honestly. If someone jerks me around, wastes my time or treats me disrespectfully, there will be a fee charged for it.

If a provider feels someone is more "work" whether it's physical, emotional or mental labour; she should charge for it. This concept that men pay for our time is nonsense, it's stated for the benefit of LE. Men pay for our time AND our labour with all that entails. I don't believe there is such thing as an equitable "hourly" rate given how faceted this industry is.

I would never increase my fee simply because I knew of someones ability to afford it. I have several guests who can afford far more and would willingly pay it if I asked but I don't feel it necessary. They are amazing guests and I value every moment I get to spend with them. Why should my good clients pay the same rate as a twatwaffle? The men who understand my boundaries, respect my business policies, treats me with dignity and respect; those are the men who have my admiration and loyalty. It's not my job to deal with men who ignore all of those things for the same fee. If a problematic client wants to spend time with me after I've explained the problem, they understand I'm going to charge them a higher fee and they chose to book anyway...that isn't discrimination. It's good business.

smiles, cat

 

[shack]

Your first two points have repeated what I've said so we are already in agreement. I never questioned the validity.

No. I was saying that the SP has two valid reasons for charging a different amount. So your claim that one is discrimination and the other not is pretty ridiculous at best.

I should have put question marks after each sentence and then the coo-coo emoji.

 

[sempel]

Sorry for your experience again hun. Not all of us are like that. However getting close to an escort can be dangerous.. I'm pretty sure there are other threads about regulars and their fav sps having falling outs. Its quite normal in this industry. Ive had to ask several regulars not to come back for the simple fact that like her my rate went up and they weren't wiling to pay it. So it kind of made me feel like I wasn't worth it in their eyes and therefore caused a little tiff between us.

I found this point interesting and a little ironic. If one asks an SP for a discount, some will take offense and blacklist you. So when the opposite happens and the SP rates go up, clients have to continue seeing the SP and pay the new rates? Seems like the clients blacklisted you. The other way of looking at it is reality. A guy thinks an SP loves him, wants to spend time with him but she's is mostly motivated by the money - if she wasn't she wouldn't charge the guy. So the fantasy turns to reality if he says he wants to see her for free. Here, you thought the clients liked seeing you for you and then you upped your rates and unfortunately reality was. They probably liked seeing you but one of their main considerations was the price and the change was enough for them to move on. Again, I just find this ironic.

No issue with a lady raising her rates as she needs. Obviously there are pros/cons to it. And sorry if this seems like I'm trying to rub salt in a wound. I'm not - I just truly found it to be an interesting reversal.

So are men really paying for the ladies time or are we paying for service? The same thing?
I’m a msog kinda guy, so would ladies be more inclined to charge for the time, regardless of the # of times I can orgasm, or should they charge for the number of orgasms, regardless of how long?

I've heard this argued a few different ways but I always say this. If it truly was time, I'm sure some SP would meet guys and with some or all, refuse to provide services. She'd be happy to chat but no more. When guy says he wants a refund, she'd argue guy has paid for her time, she delivered, no refund. So I think as pointed out it's done for LE purposes as well as to leave the option of consenting (or not consenting), hence the statement "whatever happens between two consenting adults."

No. I was saying that the SP has two valid reasons for charging a different amount. So your claim that one is discrimination and the other not is pretty ridiculous at best.

I should have put question marks after each sentence and then the coo-coo emoji.

Yeah question marks would have made it clear you were questioning an apparent contradiction.

Price discrimination is a pricing strategy that charges customers different prices for the same product or service. In pure price discrimination, the seller charges each customer the maximum price that he is willing to pay.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/price_discrimination.asp

This is why one is and one isn't. In the first example, you charging a new client more is not discrimination. You aren't charging them a higher rate than normal - you are charging the known client a lower rate than normal = discount.