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[lenny2]

How do people have babies if sex is illegal in Canada?

Cloning?

You obviously mean that paying for sexual services is illegal right now. I'm not sure if the law clearly defines what constitutes a "sexual service", but I believe there has to be an clear intention to offer them. Did your health care provider, friend, massage therapist intend to get you off by brushing her tits on the back of your head or chest? If the answer is no, then you would not be paying for a sexual service.

If an intention to make a guy cum (get him off) is required to break the law, then wouldn't necking, DFK, cuddling, etc, be within the law, even if you paid for it, if you told the SP that you were not going to cum or have genital sex with her?

 

[Shakeandbake]

Does Kiki Berry look like a legit profile to you? At $10 I might as well have her cuddle with me all weekend!!!

http://www.cuddleup.com/cuddler/22880

I would love it if she was an SP , just my type

 

[Shakeandbake]

http://www.cuddleup.com/cuddler/18389

 

[zigma99]

Interesting post
http://www.cuddleup.com/cuddler/22143#

 

[Mr Bret]

Very interesting thread.
Some of the ads show very low prices but they seem quite innocent, as in fully clothed, innocent and platonic cuddling.
Others seem to be a bit higher priced but those ads look much more provocative.

 

[tribunus]

Well, that didn't take long for some SPs to board that train.

Then again, it was totally inevitable.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

This struck my interest. There are other cuddle sights for the U.S. but seem very conservative type. I love cuddling and could skip sex but I like naked skin on skin contact and love to careess and massage an attractive women but not over clothing. The site listed here has far more skin showing pictures than others that I have seen and may look into it more.

 

[gmaximus]

Funny prank call to a cuddle service I saw a while back.

 

[gmaximus]

Paid cuddling services on rise in cities across Canada

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cuddling-services-on-rise-canada-1.3448154

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

How do you know that they offer nude cuddling ? Is kissing also included ?

Most of the sites I have seen (not the one mentioned here) the site is very clear that all is fully clothed etc and on some you sign an agreement understanding that rule. It is kind of like the cuddle parties that have become popular in the U.S., with strict clothing rules etc.

I am going to explore the site mentioned here more.

Further in the U.S. if a site promoted anything sexual it could be a promoting sex trafficking felony in many states even if private consenting adults.

Arizona has a law against "promoting" which is why all the local boards shut down a few years ago when the anti-sex group led by Ms McCain (as Senator wife) and former Gov of Arizona task force to end all forms of "prostitution" since no women would ever allow it unless was mentally unstable or forced into it. No women would degreade themeslves to offer sex is the attitude and then they use the fake children and sex trafficking scam arguments which have resulted in a huge victim industry to raise money to fight all sex for money - whether consenting adults or not.

That led to the Project Rose "take them to the Church roundups" where you either go to jail or admit you are a victim. Catholic Charities in Phoenix continues to get the grants to "save the victims". At a recent trial (Goddess Temple 39) a long time vice det testified he had never met a "prostitute"
that wasn't a victim of abuse or a pimp. A defendant asked "what about me?". Det replied well hadn't done a extensive background check on her but was sure he would find some abuse in her background (not so)!

Just be glad your in Canada with out the issues we have in the U.S. and you follow a reduce harm approach vs "all sexworkers are victims and need saving" approach in the U.S.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

Paid cuddling services on rise in cities across Canada
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cuddling-services-on-rise-canada-1.3448154

Good article.

From my extreme heterosexual male perspective (a zero on the Kinsey scale don't even like to hug men - but not homophobic) it amazes me that so many women actually enjoy us men whether it's cuddling, massaging or sex! I am glad they do but since I have zero attraction physically to men it's hard for me to grasp even after hundreds of great women been intimate with over so many decades. Especially how they enjoy old guys like me

I've always wished I could be a women sexworker for a day and see what the experience is like from the other side of the sexual divide! Someone designed us very well to have that opposite attraction (for most) which of course was needed for procreation. Also, explains why some of us very old men...or myself.. have no physical attraction to women near our age but younger (like 25-40 perhaps). That is unfair for older women and an unfair burden on younger women that are sometimes inappropriately chased by us older men?

Fortunately, some guys do like older women, but that was my problem in swinging (I led a Phx Libchrist couples group of 350), there were very few women I was attracted to vs mostly middle-aged or more, overweight women! Just being honest !!

I use to feel guilty that I was only attracted to slimmer younger women, not I just acknowledge it has a lot to do with biology.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

There's already a bill submitted in Hawaii Parliament to legalize the sex industry and few other states like New Hampshire are already discussing decriminalization.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/...ii-bill-would-legalize-prostitution-industry/

Neither bill has any chance of passage. I am friends with Bella who has been speaking all over at colleges etc. in support of decrim. But at the hearings, sexworkers have been mostly eliminated from the proceedings vs. all the victim and trafficking hype folks. In NH the bill is only to "study it". RI use to have a loophole that made incall legal but that was "corrected" a few years ago.

In my view, the only slim hope is the ESPERP special action now on appeal to the 9th Circuit Appeals Court. In my view, it has the key best legal arguments by very good attorney's challenging the California prostitution law (which is similar to most States). Whoever loses it could wind up at the Supreme Court and which way it goes may depend on who the next justice is. It is someone what based on Lawrence vs. Texas which was a 5-4 split win that the State has no business in private bedrooms and morality can not be a basis of law. But that was a gay sex case not paid sex. The current case goes far beyond the Lawrence issues to apply also to paid sex.

In Canada, the key was "harm reduction" which is similar to the legal in the U.S. whether or not a State has a "compelling interest." So far lower courts have ruled that yes, there is a "compelling interest" to make prostitution illegal since it results in the risk of std's, related crime, children, sex trafficking and many other secondary effects.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

At least in the US now you have Donald Trump who's very open minded about sex as he talks openly about his sexuality . His Grandfather even owned a brothel in the late 19 century. Unlike other republicans he doesn't seem to be very religious so he might help decriminalize the sex industry.

His policies are whatever will make his crowd applaud at the moment. He has nothing to do with making laws. He is a con man, lies about everything and lives in a fake reality fantasy world and a disgrace to the U.S. Some of his ideas I at least partially agree with. However, his entire life is a narcissistic or predator personality con artist. A very smart success at being a con man.

Very similar to his buddy Putin!

 

[Lady Kay]

I'm always amazed at how many clients want to cuddle, I sometimes wonder if it's a big part of why they book, I love it!

 

[Peegies]

Platonic cuddling is totally legal, but I seriously doubt how safe it is to just invite strangers into your place. It's also rather difficult to figure out what safety measures are employed (maybe I have to register to find out?)

I used to pay for platonic cuddling (it's cheaper than paying even a massage parlor girl) as a "supplement" to SPs and MPA and the company I booked through had two policies - taking photos of your license and recording all sessions. I'm pretty sure I just turned off 80% of you guys but since I have nothing to hide and everything I did was legal, there was no issue.

This thing however seems to be quite unregulated and consequently I want nothing to do with it. Too unpredictable

 

[lenny2]

"Platonic cuddling is totally legal,"

Platonic cuddling is with clothes on?

Sexual cuddling is nude cuddling? Illegal?

 

[lenny2]

It's illegal if it's done for the purpose for sexual gratification. The department of Justice website defines a sexual service any act performed for the purpose of sexual gratification
http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/protect/p1.html

I'm not sure if many of my experiences with SP's involving cuddling & kissing would quality as being for "sexual gratification".

How would i know?

How would the law determine this? By a lie detector test? By evidence that i simultaneously had an erection?


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[lenny2]

I'm always amazed at how many clients want to cuddle, I sometimes wonder if it's a big part of why they book, I love it!

I enjoy it also. Additionally i would be interested in a cuddling & kissing, or kissing only, service. I wonder how many clients are into that.

 

[Peegies]

"Platonic cuddling is totally legal,"

Platonic cuddling is with clothes on?

Sexual cuddling is nude cuddling? Illegal?

I'm pretty sure strip clubs are still okay in our post C36 world. Platonic cuddling is legal - just ask anybody. What's the point of questioning such an obvious claim?

 

[lenny2]

I'm pretty sure strip clubs are still okay in our post C36 world. Platonic cuddling is legal - just ask anybody. What's the point of questioning such an obvious claim?

Obvious to who?

The "point of questioning" is often to get answers re the truth of a matter, as it is in this case.

Ask anybody? I already asked the internet world (post 42 this thread). The other answer (post 43) i got did not say what you say, but referred to the law. See also the response in post # 44.

What does "platonic cuddling" mean? Is it different from just "cuddling" or "sexual cuddling"? Is it nude, or non nude? Does that make a difference when it comes to the law, say, if LE broke your door down & caught you in the act? Or if someone ratted you out to the police?

If "platonic cuddling" is legal, then what about "platonic mouth to mouth kissing" or "platonic deep french kissing"?

Is "platonic cuddling" still platonic if it gives you a long lasting rock hard errection, with or without liquid dripping out of your pee pee hole? Is it still platonic if you're thinking about screwing while cuddling?

Strip clubs are a place of business, not a sexual activity, so i don't see how they have any relevance to the legality or sexuality of activities like cuddling or kissing.

Sorry, but i don't find your "pretty sure" very reassuring. Some court case references, brilliant legal analysis or simple common sense reasons might be more of the direction i'm looking for.